Noob616 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Canadiens have agreed to a 2-year deal with forward Daniel Brière. https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/352898118628552707 Per official Canadiens twitter page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I guess we'll be seeing the Pacman-DD-Gally line again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepsItReal Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 https://twitter.com/CanadiensMTL/status/352898118628552707 Per official Canadiens twitter page. If it's true the Habs would only offer Lecavalier 3 million a year for 3 years I have to think that this will be for lower than 4. But will be really disappointed if not. He was terrible last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Guess we got 2nd prize in the Lecavalier sweepstakes. No information on financial terms yet, but if it's only 2 years it's hard to really care unless it's completely absurd. Don't mind the deal, someone had to replace Ryder in the top 9 and since we traded Kristo there wasn't anyone on the farm who seemed close to making the jump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 4 mil per year according to LeBrun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepsItReal Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 2 years 8 million. I don't get it, but I'm not really upset about it. I wonder if they might try Briere with Pacioretty and Desharnais? Pacio-DD-Briere Bourque-Plekx-Gionta Galchenyuk-Eller-Gallagher Not bad. On the brightside, it's not like thye lost any toughness from Ryder to Briere...Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 lol, uhhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepsItReal Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 To all those laughing, mocking, or outright saying this is an awful move... Should we re-read the thread that occurred after Therrien was hired? I'll wait until around January or so to make a judgment on this move. 4 million isn't really that much, and the UFA market is abysmal and the habs need to replace the production from Ryder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 How about: Pacman-DD-Gallagher Bourque-Pleks-Gio Galchenyuk-Eller-Briere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 On the brightside, it's not like thye lost any toughness from Ryder to Briere...Lol Actually, even though we lost size, I think I would consider Briere tougher than ryder. But will be really disappointed if not. He was terrible last year. His regular season game has def. been slipping but he's still a beast in the playoffs & exactly the sort of clutch scorer we have been lacking for a while. This should be an interesting experiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 To all those laughing, mocking, or outright saying this is an awful move... Should we re-read the thread that occurred after Therrien was hired? I'll wait until around January or so to make a judgment on this move. 4 million isn't really that much, and the UFA market is abysmal and the habs need to replace the production from Ryder. To be fair the difference is there isn't 3 years of diminishing production from Therrien before we signed him. Don't really care, this is just a meh signing. If he doesn't pan out, big deal it's 2 years at 4M. If he does we have a good top 9 scorer that will be a god in MTL. He really isn't the player he once was though, this really just kinda feels like signing a french player for the sake of it. Would've rather given Ryder the same contract if we're going to be signing a top 9 forward for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 To all those laughing, mocking, or outright saying this is an awful move... Should we re-read the thread that occurred after Therrien was hired? I'll wait until around January or so to make a judgment on this move. 4 million isn't really that much, and the UFA market is abysmal and the habs need to replace the production from Ryder. I think people were largely willing to give Therrien a chance, although 1 48 game season doesn't necessarily make that a great decision. I see the upside but I don't like the 4 million, I definitely don't love the 2nd year and I don't see Briere, at this stage, as more than a PP player who's being overpaid based on playoff stats from a few years ago. I'm not even freaking out about the size, just not seeing the logic here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepsItReal Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 How about: Pacman-DD-Gallagher Bourque-Pleks-Gio Galchenyuk-Eller-Briere Every combo we come up with will have at least one line with 2 small guys. Makes sense to pair up Desharnais with the feistiest of our young guys at first glance...but maybe a savvy veteran like Gionta might do the trick there? Either way, cap hit, and 2 year complaints aside...this team looks stronger with Briere than without. Considreing the alternatives, this move looks pretty decent. This signing makes me once again go back to my "4 lines rolling" idea. The Habs still have room to sign someone...how about Jagr for one year? Bourque-Plekanec-Jagr Pacioretty-Eller-Gallagher Prust-Galchenyuk-Briere Moen-Desharnais-Gionta Did I sniff too much glue this morning? Could those 4 lines not all potentially be effective, and give teams fits for who to "match up" against. And while Gionta on the 4th line looks like a demotion, he can still get PP time and it wouldn't be your classic "4th line" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shutoutfan Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I'm not even freaking out about the size, just not seeing the logic here. The logic is to fetch a 1st round pick at trade deadline if things are going south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Either way, cap hit, and 2 year complaints aside...this team looks stronger with Briere than without. Team looks stronger with Ryder or a multitude of other UFA's than with Briere though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepsItReal Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Team looks stronger with Ryder or a multitude of other UFA's than with Briere though. Which UFA's in particular? Ryder did sweet EDIT in the playoffs, and like someone already said...if anything the habs are tougher with the diminutive Briere rather than Ryder. Which UFA would have made this team better than Briere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I don't really want to go into the season with Desharnais, Briere, Gionta, and Gallagher fighting over top six playing time. Too small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Ryder did sweet EDIT in the playoffs, and like someone already said...if anything the habs are tougher with the diminutive Briere rather than Ryder. Hey guys, I've got a great idea. Let's make roster decisions based on 5 game samples. I'm not even saying I wanted Ryder but that's a weak argument, he's a better player than Briere. I'm not sure what it would have taken to get him, maybe he was looking for more or more term but honestly, we signed a player who, unless something changes for the better at 36-37 is a PP specialist. Hopefully they see something but this doesn't feel like a great decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepsItReal Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I don't really want to go into the season with Desharnais, Briere, Gionta, and Gallagher fighting over top six playing time. Too small. This team went with a 3 scoring lines system last year, no reason to think that will change this season. There's room for the 4 of them in the top 9, just about finding the right combinations. Hey guys, I've got a great idea. Let's make roster decisions based on 5 game samples. I'm not even saying I wanted Ryder but that's a weak argument, he's a better player than Briere. I'm not sure what it would have taken to get him, maybe he was looking for more or more term but honestly, we signed a player who, unless something changes for the better at 36-37 is a PP specialist. Hopefully they see something but this doesn't feel like a great decision. Ryder is better, you're right. He's also several years younger...and as such will probably be making more than 4 per year, and probably at least twice as long of a deal. There's really not much downside to Briere on this deal, worst case scenario he stinks it up and he's off the books after the 2014/2015 season. Rather he gets 15 points combined over the next 2 years, than be paying Clarkson 5.5 million a year in 3 years with still another 3 years to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I1IscottieI1I Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 i think people need to take their hate glasses off and lookk a this from a hockey standpoint... we needed a veteran goal scorer for short term..... we are paying under 5 mil and only 2 years.... gives the young guys 2 years to pan out and by that time galchenyuk should be centering our 1st line and eller our 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted July 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Which UFA's in particular? Ryder did sweet EDIT in the playoffs, and like someone already said...if anything the habs are tougher with the diminutive Briere rather than Ryder. Which UFA would have made this team better than Briere? I'm not really even saying we "should" have signed Ryder, but he's the better player and man for man Ryder is the better player than Briere. Ryder had as many goals this year as Briere had points, with 19 more assists to boot. Briere has a reputation as clutch and I'm sure he'll do reasonably well here but the reality is he's no spring chicken and his production has been decreasing at a fairly alarming rate the last couple of years. I'm not going to dust off the torches and pitchforks, Briere's still useful and it's not really a problematic contract, but this move just really isn't that exciting and regardless of how "clutch" he is (or rather was historically), he isn't really a significant plus to the team and he's a downgrade from what we had (and what we likely could have re signed for the same/similar contract). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Ryder is better, you're right. He's also several years younger...and as such will probably be making more than 4 per year, and probably at least twice as long of a deal. There's really not much downside to Briere on this deal, worst case scenario he stinks it up and he's off the books after the 2014/2015 season. Rather he gets 15 points combined over the next 2 years, than be paying Clarkson 5.5 million a year in 3 years with still another 3 years to go. I understand that and agree, I don't think there's 0 upside here so I'm not freaking out but I just don't think it was a great play TBH. I really don't love the 2nd year, I don't love that we gave him 4, I feel like betting on guys to rebound in their age 36 and 37 seasons is generally not a great bet. We had a hole but truth be told I'd have rather waited out the offseason and saw who was still looking for work in late July and tried to sign them to a cheap deal. As for Ryder, would be interesting to know what he was looking for. His last contract was 2 years, 7 million. So less than we just gave Briere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepsItReal Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 I understand that and agree, I don't think there's 0 upside here so I'm not freaking out but I just don't think it was a great play TBH. I really don't love the 2nd year, I don't love that we gave him 4, I feel like betting on guys to rebound in their age 36 and 37 seasons is generally not a great bet. We had a hole but truth be told I'd have rather waited out the offseason and saw who was still looking for work in late July and tried to sign them to a cheap deal. As for Ryder, would be interesting to know what he was looking for. His last contract was 2 years, 7 million. So less than we just gave Briere. What happens if late July comes and there's no one to add? Have you seen the UFA list? It could be empty for forwards with any scoring pedigree by Sunday. I admit it's a little high on a 2 year deal, but ultimately I doubt him at 3.5 million instead of 4 next year will make much of a difference. I really think there's another move coming, unless Montreal goes bold and tries to go with my 4 scoring lines model I listed earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 What happens if late July comes and there's no one to add? Have you seen the UFA list? It could be empty for forwards with any scoring pedigree by Sunday. I admit it's a little high on a 2 year deal, but ultimately I doubt him at 3.5 million instead of 4 next year will make much of a difference. I really think there's another move coming, unless Montreal goes bold and tries to go with my 4 scoring lines model I listed earlier. Then we go with what we have internally or make a trade, I suppose. Like I said, I just don't see the plan here. Did we need him to bolster our PP that badly? Even 2 years 3.5 wouldn't have changed things really for me. We'll see though, there's some upside here but it feels like an odd gamble to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepsItReal Posted July 4, 2013 Report Share Posted July 4, 2013 Then we go with what we have internally or make a trade, I suppose. Like I said, I just don't see the plan here. Did we need him to bolster our PP that badly? Even 2 years 3.5 wouldn't have changed things really for me. We'll see though, there's some upside here but it feels like an odd gamble to make. So instead of adding a guy for no assets you would have preferred the possibility to make a desperate move later in the Summer? Definitely don't agree with you there. As for internally...that'd be nice, but we lost a bunch of NHL calibre production and it must needs be replaced, and I doubt Louis Leblanc is the guy to do that. I don't see why you think it's just an addition for the PP. Briere had 32 ESP 2 seasons ago, if he can give the team around that and some PP production it will be fine. They don't need him to be a 70 point player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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