jedimaas Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Do you all think that Michel Therrien is still the right choice? If not, who would you prefer? Watching the last few games i am beginning to wonder if the team has out grown Therrien. When he was hired, many of us said "expect good things for a little while" as his philosophy of "passion" and 'character" will often get short term gains out of a team. Right now we are slumping & I see very little being done right by him. We know about the PK Subban Debacle but he's also lately having trouble with ice management of other players (Diaz, Murray, Desharnais, Parros etc playing too much, Subban & some of our better forwards playing too little), he's been guilty of playing the wrong players at the wrong time (momentum shifts & he puts out the Kid line or our grinder line & we get scored on) as well this contstant line juggling isnt working at all. Players need time to gel & 10 shifts with one line does not mean it doesnt work. Im not certain if I would give up on him just yet, but the bigger problem is: Is there a better choice available right now (and, unfortunately, that means: Is there a better french-speaking choice available right now?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Watching the last few games i am beginning to wonder if the team has out grown Therrien. When he was hired, many of us said "expect good things for a little while" as his philosophy of "passion" and 'character" will often get short term gains out of a team. Right now we are slumping & I see very little being done right by him. We know about the PK Subban Debacle but he's also lately having trouble with ice management of other players (Diaz, Murray, Desharnais, Parros etc playing too much, Subban & some of our better forwards playing too little), he's been guilty of playing the wrong players at the wrong time (momentum shifts & he puts out the Kid line or our grinder line & we get scored on) as well this contstant line juggling isnt working at all. Players need time to gel & 10 shifts with one line does not mean it doesnt work. Im not certain if I would give up on him just yet, but the bigger problem is: Is there a better choice available right now (and, unfortunately, that means: Is there a better french-speaking choice available right now?) Oh I see a lot being done by him, but not with good results. I thought he'd be a good coach short term, he is the polar opposite of laid back JM. True test for a coach is during slumps, any coach can appear good while the teams winning. Now that we're struggling,I wonder what he or MB will do to snap this funk. So far the line juggling to me appears to be desperation moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Oh I see a lot being done by him, but not with good results. I thought he'd be a good coach short term, he is the polar opposite of laid back JM. True test for a coach is during slumps, any coach can appear good while the teams winning. Now that we're struggling,I wonder what he or MB will do to snap this funk. So far the line juggling to me appears to be desperation moves. Agreed 100%. We saw how good Carbo looked in 07-08 without any adversity and how quickly it blew up the following year. This is Therrien's biggest test since coming back. Depleted lineup, key guys struggling and a slump that's only been mitigated by great goaltending from both goalies. I don't really trust Therrien, despite his strong job last season and I was never inlove with the hiring (which was a general consensus) but I hope he proves me wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Agreed 100%. We saw how good Carbo looked in 07-08 without any adversity and how quickly it blew up the following year. This is Therrien's biggest test since coming back. Depleted lineup, key guys struggling and a slump that's only been mitigated by great goaltending from both goalies. I don't really trust Therrien, despite his strong job last season and I was never inlove with the hiring (which was a general consensus) but I hope he proves me wrong. I was hoping he had learn from his time in Pittsburgh, he basically, at the time, had the cream of the crop in terms of players and talent. They eventually stopped playing for him. Roy and MT are similar type coaches, demand a lot from players, not afraid to yell and scream, I'm curious to see how the av players deal with Roy when they're losing. Roy hates to lose, MT is similar, we need something to spark the team. Even the return of injured players could motivate the troops. We'll know we're in trouble if he brings them bowling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 I was not in love with the original hire and I've probably been as hard on him as anyone lately, but he coached a good game last night, I can't really fault him for the loss. The right players got lots of ice time, Murray and Parros were used very sparingly, we played up tempo and carried the play, we just couldn't score. The right thing to do now IMO is stay the course, go with the close to the same line-up as last night, hopefully turn in the same strong performance and that should start translating into wins. The key is not panicking and shaking up the lines again because we lost. Process over results. It'll be interesting to see where we're at around the 40 game mark. With the injuries and losing streak we've hit some adversity, let's see how he handles it. Another thing I will say: we (especially me) have complained about Murray and Parros in the line-up but he has to play them before he can justifiably bench them. Like it or not our GM went out and signed these guys, we can't just never insert them in the lineup. My hope is once Prust and Emelin come into the line-up, we will see much less of Parros and hopefully only see Murray platooning with Bouillon. We've got a stretch of imiportant home games vs Eastern oppenents coming up, this should be a telling group of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 I wasn't in love with the hiring as well, I was of the Robinson camp, who may I add is doing well with is new team. There's only so many times Larry can offer his services. That said, i was willing to give MT a shot, he did lead the pens to the cup finals. He also went back to the trenches to gain experience and climbed back up the ladder. That's been my point all along with Murray and Parros. Both have reason to be struggling, even patches has been 0 points since returning from injury , despite playing on a line with pleks and Gio who have been our most consistent line and he at least got some games (and points) under his belt before the hamstring. Also, MB is the one who signed them, if they happen to become healthy scratches in their first 5 games, doesn't look good on him. It's only normal after signing them, that he'll give them every opportunity to succeed, like he did with Briere and DD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 There's guys like Boucher, Laviolette and now Dineen available. But I think Boucher's the only bilingual one. But I wouldn't think about firing him yet. That's a little premature IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 I was not in love with the original hire and I've probably been as hard on him as anyone lately, but he coached a good game last night, I can't really fault him for the loss. The right players got lots of ice time, Murray and Parros were used very sparingly, we played up tempo and carried the play, we just couldn't score. The right thing to do now IMO is stay the course, go with the close to the same line-up as last night, hopefully turn in the same strong performance and that should start translating into wins. The key is not panicking and shaking up the lines again because we lost. Process over results. It'll be interesting to see where we're at around the 40 game mark. With the injuries and losing streak we've hit some adversity, let's see how he handles it. Another thing I will say: we (especially me) have complained about Murray and Parros in the line-up but he has to play them before he can justifiably bench them. Like it or not our GM went out and signed these guys, we can't just never insert them in the lineup. My hope is once Prust and Emelin come into the line-up, we will see much less of Parros and hopefully only see Murray platooning with Bouillon. We've got a stretch of imiportant home games vs Eastern oppenents coming up, this should be a telling group of games. Well the goals against were IMO as a result of passive defense and trying to block shots screening Carey Price. I wouldn't mind that changing to a more agressive approach in the Habs zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
careypricefan Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 I take it no one wanted Crawford? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIENS27 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Watching the last few games i am beginning to wonder if the team has out grown Therrien. When he was hired, many of us said "expect good things for a little while" as his philosophy of "passion" and 'character" will often get short term gains out of a team. Right now we are slumping & I see very little being done right by him. We know about the PK Subban Debacle but he's also lately having trouble with ice management of other players (Diaz, Murray, Desharnais, Parros etc playing too much, Subban & some of our better forwards playing too little), he's been guilty of playing the wrong players at the wrong time (momentum shifts & he puts out the Kid line or our grinder line & we get scored on) as well this contstant line juggling isnt working at all. Players need time to gel & 10 shifts with one line does not mean it doesnt work. Im not certain if I would give up on him just yet, but the bigger problem is: Is there a better choice available right now (and, unfortunately, that means: Is there a better french-speaking choice available right now?) How much more time do we give him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 How much more time do we give him? Well if the Habs were to lose the next 4 games I'd say things could get kind of dicy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 If we miss the playoffs I think I would fire him. But I don't think that will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Regis2 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 If we miss the playoffs I think I would fire him. But I don't think that will happen. Which won't happen Miss the playoffs or firing him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsAlways Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 We've got a stretch of imiportant home games vs Eastern oppenents coming up, this should be a telling group of games. Interesting thing about our next 30 games is we play a lot of teams low in the standins. So provided we win against those team, split with the ones close to use in the standings, and presumable lose or steal one from a highly ranked team ... we're gold ... 13 wins, 8 losses and 9 games that can go either way . Win the bulk of those 9 close games and steal 1-2 of the tough opponents and we could be looking at 20 wins in our next 30 Habs are currently 18th out of 30 teams Assuming : Team +5 ranks in standings a Loss Team -5 ranks in standings a Win Team between +5 to -5 ... Tie (too close to call) Next ten games : 3W-4L-3T Next 20 : 9W-6L-5T Next 30 : 13W-8L-9T Next ten games : 3W-4L-3T W ISlanders (23rd) L Lightning (8th) W Columbus (26th) T Rangers (19t L Minnesota (11) T Washington (16th) L Pittsburgh (9th) W Sabres (30th) T Washington (16th) L Toronto (10th) The next ten games after that" 6W-2L-2T W Devils (25th) W Devils (25th) T Bruins (14th) W Sabres (30th) T Kings (13th) W Phillie (29th) W Islanders (23rd) W Florida (27th) L Phoenix (5th) L Blues (7th) Then ext ten after that (4W-2L-4T) T Predators (15th) L Lightning (8th) W Florida (27th) T Carolina (22nd) T Dallas (17th) T Ottawa (20th) W Florida (27th) W Phillie (29th) L Chicago (4th) W Devils (25th) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Which won't happen Miss the playoffs or firing him ? Missing the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 Missing the playoffs. We have a good chance of missing the playoffs with this new format. Doubt very strongly we'll be top 3 in our division (too many good teams), imo best we can hope for is the wildcard spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 We have a good chance of missing the playoffs with this new format. Doubt very strongly we'll be top 3 in our division (too many good teams), imo best we can hope for is the wildcard spot.It's entirely possible we miss it. But I don't think it will happen. We may not be in the top 3, but I think we'll get a wild card spot at least. We have the second most man games lost due to injury and we're in a playoff spot. Now that we're getting healthier it should be better.And plus, a lot of the games we've played have been against strong western teams. Now that we get to face weaker teams, it should be easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatethosebruins Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I like what Therrien has done by instilling a team first mentality in our locker room, making the team work as a unit. I disagree with some of these decisions, like banning celebrations such as the triple low five (however overdone it was) I saw no reason to "ban" something like that especially while Galchenyuk can continue to do his bow and arrow celebration. However I strongly disagree with Therrien as an actual coach. His decisions boggle my mind to no end. Its a close game with 2 minutes left? better sit Subban to send out Bouillion on his offside. And throw Desharnas who has 1 point all season out there as well to spark the offense as opposed to the EGG line or the Bournival-Plekanec-Bourque lines that have been clicking. His obvious love affair with Bouillion and last year Colby Armstrong is a tad frustrating, but not as frustrating as knowing he was a constant Subban-Basher on L'antichambre. That frankly worries me, however I feel Bergevin is aware that this situation could wind down to the Roy-Tremblay road and he will NOT make that mistake for this franchise after seeing what happened last time. At the time, MT was one of very few coaching options, you can argue language all you want, but the candidates that offseason was very slim, as opposed to last offseason where there was Torts Vigneault etc. I think Therrien will ride out the rest of the year (barring creating some type of serious locker room issue or crazy losing streak) and maybe most of next year, before Bergevin starts to look at other options to get us a cup contending team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerplay2009 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 We have a good chance of missing the playoffs with this new format. Doubt very strongly we'll be top 3 in our division (too many good teams), imo best we can hope for is the wildcard spot. I actually remain pretty optimistic to be honest. Getting Emelin back will be a huge boost, and I think that if (and we probably will IMO) we get back to possessing the puck as well as last year, Toronto and Tampa are both in for regression, the former more than the latter, and Detroit and Boston remain overrated IMO, and we were better than both teams last year. It's still possible, and if Therrien decides to start coaching effectively, even probable we wind up top 3 in our division. But with the injury bug hitting hard and apparently Therrien having a portion his brain melted, it can be hard to be optimistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Regis2 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 Missing the playoffs. There's a better chance of missing the playoff's than MT being let go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted November 10, 2013 Report Share Posted November 10, 2013 There's a better chance of missing the playoff's than MT being let go I agree. But I doubt wither will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MergenTatara Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 Geoff Molson already said playoff qualification is the minimum target, when he did the management overhaul. Therrien will go if Habs aren't in the playoffs next April. MB will then be put on "probation" and replaced if the same failure is repeated two years in a row in 2015. The truth is the team has the financial resources to hire and field the best players. We're not Phoenix or Nashville. Habs are the 3rd richest NHL team. It's up to the manager to make best use of these resources and take the rap if he can't deliver the results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 The truth is the team has the financial resources to hire and field the best players. We're not Phoenix or Nashville. Habs are the 3rd richest NHL team. It's up to the manager to make best use of these resources and take the rap if he can't deliver the results. The team may have the money to hire a decent coach, but it only works if you don't self-impose a stipulation that you need to have a French-speaking one. This severely limits the pool of candidates. It's not to say Therrien isn't a decent NHL coach, but I absolutely believe he was not the best candidate out there and I think it was short-sighted to automatically eliminate 90% of the candidates based on language alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme-1 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 The team may have the money to hire a decent coach, but it only works if you don't self-impose a stipulation that you need to have a French-speaking one. This severely limits the pool of candidates. It's not to say Therrien isn't a decent NHL coach, but I absolutely believe he was not the best candidate out there and I think it was short-sighted to automatically eliminate 90% of the candidates based on language alone. I can't argue with your overall point, but the situation is what it is. The question is was Therrien the best choice given these constraints? It's still a small sample, but the Avs season indicates we may have have let one french-speaking candidate really slip through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted November 13, 2013 Report Share Posted November 13, 2013 do you really think roy would have lasted here with the press in mtl and a team of tiny forwards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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