How Would You Improve The Nhl

[habby4ever]

How Would You Improve The Nhl

Would you want improved scheduling, larger nets LOL, changed rulings, instigator, fighting, etc., etc., etc.,....

[Noob616]

I'd take fighting out of the game and really crack down on hits from behind and to the head.

[kinot-1]

I'd like to see a sort of "semi-circle" around each teams bench so that when making an "on-the-go" player change, the player coming off the bench cannot do so until the player coming off the ice crosses that line. That way, there's no grey area for player changes.

[Noob616]

I'd like to see a sort of "semi-circle" around each teams bench so that when making an "on-the-go" player change, the player coming off the bench cannot do so until the player coming off the ice crosses that line. That way, there's no grey area for player changes.

That's actually quite a good idea. As of now it's just kindof a fuzzy interpretational rule.

The other thing I'd do is remove the trapezoid, all it's done is cause more injuries to defensemen, it hasn't really increased scoring.

[Manatee-X]

Great idea for a topic, Habby!

I like what they're experimenting with now in making the net shallower, giving more room for offensive players to do exciting things with the puck behind the net. If this does increase scoring, I think it will do so in a more 'fun' way for fans than if they simply made the nets bigger or whatever. Changes like that would completely leave goalies out to dry, whereas in this case the change for them is minimal.

I'd take fighting out of the game and really crack down on hits from behind and to the head.

I don't know if I'd say that I'm "for" getting rid of fighting, but I wouldn't be against it. The days of the "code" are long gone, IMO, and the players are no longer willing or able to police themselves with or without fighting. I wouldn't shed any tears if the hockey fight was gone from the game tomorrow.

I'd like to see a sort of "semi-circle" around each teams bench so that when making an "on-the-go" player change, the player coming off the bench cannot do so until the player coming off the ice crosses that line. That way, there's no grey area for player changes.

Really interesting idea, kinot. How would it work? Like what if they're in the designated circle zone for changing and the puck gets thrown in there - would only one or the other be allowed to play it?

My other suggestion for change is an obvious one - more consistent refereeing and disciplinary decisions. The only problem is that I have no ideas as to how they can actually implement that from an NHL management perspective.

[habby4ever]

Posted Today, 10:33 AM

Noob616, on 18 Sept 2013 - 10:37, said:

I'd take fighting out of the game and really crack down on hits from behind and to the head.

I don't know if I'd say that I'm "for" getting rid of fighting, but I wouldn't be against it. The days of the "code" are long gone, IMO, and the players are no longer willing or able to police themselves with or without fighting. I wouldn't shed any tears if the hockey fight was gone from the game tomorrow.

I agree with Noob and you, Manatee, out of cracking down on hits from behind and to the head is easier than the fighting issues. I would like to see, no fighting, but is that realistic: I'll be honest, I'm not a fighter but this has never discouraged me from playing the game that I love in the same capacity as the generations before me. If I don't want to fight then there's Nobody Holding a Gun to My Head Making Me! What a wonderful concept that people who are against it are forgetting! However, The sport is Ice Hockey where you have to put the puck in the goal. For anyone that looks to the reduced sales in tickets or fan merchandise as a result of no fighting in the NHL, your focus is certainly NOT on the players' safety. If it's part of the game, why don't they teach all kids that play to fight? They do not because it's wrong. I certainly understand pushing back when someone pushes you so they know they can't do that to you all game. However, The majority of the fights are when a player like Crosby gets hit cleanly, and all the goons start pummeling the guy who made a clean check. Just like what happened to Galchenyuk in this years preseason. Finally, the theory is : that the rate of injury in fights is 0.39% of players while body checking on ice injuries is 4.5% of players. If fighting is taken out the number of injuries will go up, is this necessarily true??

[habby4ever]

kinot-1, on 18 Sept 2013 - 11:00, said:

I'd like to see a sort of "semi-circle" around each teams bench so that when making an "on-the-go" player change, the player coming off the bench cannot do so until the player coming off the ice crosses that line. That way, there's no grey area for player changes.

Really interesting idea, kinot. How would it work? Like what if they're in the designated circle zone for changing and the puck gets thrown in there - would only one or the other be allowed to play it?

If I understand this right? Change on the fly: Substituting a player from the bench during live play.

So, this would still be part of the neutral zone, thus, coaches and players, refs, etc…could easily distinguish, between too many men on the ice. Also, the players would be fitted with Dunce Caps, by the player coach’s., after each infraction Maybe Maybe not

[zaksame]

The biggest problem and by far is the officiating.I feel it is not just them but other factors leading around time constraints or worries games might go on too long.

I see far too much dirty cheap hockey,not tough hockey but bending the rules.Officiating is incredibly predictable,they do a decent job for about 25-35 games then the whistles slowly disappear.

I almost fell out of my chair when i saw a Boston player crosscheck the Hab player in the back and got a penalty.The Bruins have several players who use crosschecks to the lower back all game long and never get called.I even saw a play where the bruin player had his arms around the Habs player's head,i was like lol nice,i guess you can hold the guys head now.

This kind of stuff goes on all around the league and some teams are taking advantage of it to gain an extra 10-20 points in the standings.

point is i want to see EVERY single cheap shot and foul called,no exceptions.if teams cry foul then tell them to play hockey and they won't have to worry about elongated games from penalties.

Another problem is when smaller players try to do the same dirty cheap shots,they have to put more effort into it and stand out more,whilst the bigger players can do it in a manner that makes it not look as bad so they get off scott free most of the time.

I would guarantee teams like the Bruins and Leafs and certain Flyers would drop off badly if called for all their dirty work.Sticks should NEVER be part of a BODY check,yet they are in almost EVERY body check.Another foul i see a lot is one hand coming off the stick to coral a player,that is suppose to be a penalty but refs are calling it about 10% of the time.This means you can basically commit fouls 90% of the time and it weighs in your favor since only 10% are penalties.

[zaksame]

Another point i forgot to mention is again of course based on poor officiating.How come almost every fan knows when a player is purposely attacking the goalie crease knowing he will be touched giving him a free pass to hit the goalie,yet refs are completely fooled?

Also how is it the goalie fault when a player tries a deke and loses his footing,crashes into the goalie and scores and it counts?That should be goalie interference but is NEVER called.

There is literally no goalie protection,it should 100% be up to the player to NOT hit the goalie.NO excuses,if you try to force your way int the crease and are shoved into the goalie,you get a penalty for interference.

I would like to see the older crease com,e back,the big circle and nobody goes in it.It was not the crease or the rule that was a problem,it was the stupid media and stupid players for going into the crease that kept crying foul."Oh he only had a toe in the crease".You know what,those players KNEW the rules,so stay the heck out,quit looking for special waivers if only a toe goes in.It was like players had the IQ of a snail,cried about the crease and rule ,so it got changed,pathetic.

[powerplay2009]

I actually feel like, in comparison to other sports, our referees do a good job. I also think fighting still has its place for now, but its quickly growing out of my favor. I like hockey as a fast and physical game, not a violent one.

I would get rid of the trapezoid and probably switch the NHL to the 3-point system the IIHF uses in round robins, and probably eliminate shootouts for a 5-on-5, 4-on-4, 3-on-3 overtime format. That always seemed interesting to me.

The biggest thing I would do is take player safety seriously. There is no greater danger to hockey than a lack of player safety IMO and if I was a parent combining the risk of long-term brain damage combined with the high cost of playing would make me lean towards not having my kid play. Realistically everything else will be changed slowly over time and hockey will improve little by little naturally, like the shortening the net idea or Kinot's line change idea. Player safety is one of those things that will slowly turn the game on its head if it isn't taken care of.

Finally, the theory is : that the rate of injury in fights is 0.39% of players while body checking on ice injuries is 4.5% of players. If fighting is taken out the number of injuries will go up, is this necessarily true??

I don't think so. There are 3 reasons for my thinking:

1. I have never seen a game with a lack of fights have a gratuitous amount of hits because of that. Two mostly unrelated things IMO.

2. Its an issue of fighting being taken out of the game more for other reasons than just for player safety.

3. Fighting may not have as many short term injuries, brain research shows that the little hits fighters take have their toll and add up later in life. That's why the NFL had to settle with former players for almost a billion dollars. So the argument of player safety remains, but isn't the main issue with fighting.

[beaubie]

I'm not sure if there is a more appropriate thread for this but I was reading about the new "no tuck" rule on yahoo and I'm kind of baffled by it. Just...why is that necessary? The article says that it has apparently always been part of the rules but it's specifically going to be enforced this season. What if a player doesn't even know it's tucked in? Sure, a teammate may say something but still. I fail to see how having it tucked at some point in the game could cause something or lead to something that a penalty is warranted should it happen. It seems unnecessary.

Speaking of penalties. Another new one what has been implemented is a two minute penalty if a player takes his own helmet off before a fight. I suppose they hare hoping that this will lead to them keeping their helmets on or discourage the fight all together. Anyway, I brought it up because here's a recent example of how two players found a loophole...and took each other's helmets off. I got a little chuckle out of that. They were really using their heads.

Just some late night thoughts. Again, I have no clue where else to post this so sorry if it's kind of off topic from the original topic of the thread!

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I'm not sure if there is a more appropriate thread for this but I was reading about the new "no tuck" rule on yahoo and I'm kind of baffled by it. Just...why is that necessary? The article says that it has apparently always been part of the rules but it's specifically going to be enforced this season. What if a player doesn't even know it's tucked in? Sure, a teammate may say something but still. I fail to see how having it tucked at some point in the game could cause something or lead to something that a penalty is warranted should it happen. It seems unnecessary.

Speaking of penalties. Another new one what has been implemented is a two minute penalty if a player takes his own helmet off before a fight. I suppose they hare hoping that this will lead to them keeping their helmets on or discourage the fight all together. Anyway, I brought it up because here's a recent example of how two players found a loophole...and took each other's helmets off. I got a little chuckle out of that. They were really using their heads.

Just some late night thoughts. Again, I have no clue where else to post this so sorry if it's kind of off topic from the original topic of the thread!

The tuck penalty no doubt has other motives behind it. The fear of advertising not being displayed (company logo) is probably the driving force behind that rule.

The helmet one is most likely a player safety issue. Players usually fight until one of them drops to the ice at which point an injury (head hitting ice) can occur.

[habby4ever]

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Posted Yesterday, 11:44 PM

I'm not sure if there is a more appropriate thread for this but I was reading about the new "no tuck" rule on yahoo and I'm kind of baffled by it. Just...why is that necessary? The article says that it has apparently always been part of the rules but it's specifically going to be enforced this season. What if a player doesn't even know it's tucked in? Sure, a teammate may say something but still. I fail to see how having it tucked at some point in the game could cause something or lead to something that a penalty is warranted should it happen. It seems unnecessary.

Speaking of penalties. Another new one what has been implemented is a two minute penalty if a player takes his own helmet off before a fight. I suppose they hare hoping that this will lead to them keeping their helmets on or discourage the fight all together. Anyway, I brought it up because here's a recent example of how two players found a loophole...and took each other's helmets off. I got a little chuckle out of that. They were really using their heads.

Just some late night thoughts. Again, I have no clue where else to post this so sorry if it's kind of off

topic from the original topic of the thread!

That was hilarious, Gallant vs Barch. I see what you mean about the helmets.

Anything I have seen, about the no tuck rule, seems to stem back to Player Safety.

Rolling up sleaves, shirt tuck, How is this not safe.? I guess bare skin, with the rolled up sleaves? This rule, probably, is there to improve the players safety, and the nhl. Thus, this thread

[habby4ever]

habby4ever, on 18 Sept 2013 - 15:52, said:

Finally, the theory is : that the rate of injury in fights is 0.39% of players while body checking on ice injuries is 4.5% of players. If fighting is taken out the number of injuries will go up, is this necessarily true??

I don't think so. There are 3 reasons for my thinking:

1. I have never seen a game with a lack of fights have a gratuitous amount of hits because of that. Two mostly unrelated things IMO.

2. Its an issue of fighting being taken out of the game more for other reasons than just for player safety.

3. Fighting may not have as many short term injuries, brain research shows that the little hits fighters take have their toll and add up later in life. That's why the NFL had to settle with former players for almost a billion dollars. So the argument of player safety remains, but isn't the main issue with fighting.

Michael Landsberg and Dana White today were discussing your point 3. They Basically, said it the same way you did. I also don't see injuries going up if fighting is taken away. Whoops, got to go, Canadiens vs Carolina, etc...LOL.

[maddienmike]

Sack the Gremlin,Buttman and his cohorts,take fighting and head hits out.Change the board of goveners so that the more responsible owners get a say,in how the game is run.

Make the refs admit their mistakes,use more video replay,e.g.to check high sticks and such like,automatic game suspension for after the whistle pushes or hits.

Sack the gremlin.

Hockey is such a fast game now,nothing else has kept up with the speed of the game,not the officiating or the rules,can you imagine a game with no fights just fast paced clean hockey, beautiful.

GO HABS GO :angry:

[habby4ever]

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Posted Yesterday, 01:41 PM

Sack the Gremlin,Buttman and his cohorts,take fighting and head hits out.Change the board of goveners so that the more responsible owners get a say,in how the game is run.

Make the refs admit their mistakes,use more video replay,e.g.to check high sticks and such like,automatic game suspension for after the whistle pushes or hits.

Sack the gremlin.

Hockey is such a fast game now,nothing else has kept up with the speed of the game,not the officiating or the rules,can you imagine a game with no fights just fast paced clean hockey, beautiful.

GO HABS GO

Change the board of goveners so that the more responsible owners get a say,in how the game is run.

I like this

Hockey is such a fast game now,nothing else has kept up with the speed of the game,not the officiating or the rules,can you imagine a game with no fights just fast paced clean hockey, beautiful.

What would Galchenyuk be free to do etc...

[habby4ever]

Would you like to see the NHL take fighting out of the game?

• No (65%, 1,610 Votes)
  
  
  
  
• Yes (35%, 856 Votes)
  
  
  
  

Total Voters: 2,466

[maddienmike]

Would you like to see the NHL take fighting out of the game?

• No (65%, 1,610 Votes)
• Yes (35%, 856 Votes)

Total Voters: 2,466

What about the millions that didn't vote, that don't follow hockey,because it is too violent,a poll like this from a hockey site has no real substance.How many women like fighting in hockey not many,and they are the ones that influence the children.Fighting is war,there are no degrees of war.

It would be great to see a game with no fighting at all.

GO HABS GO

[FirstStar]

How to improve the NHL.... Hmmmm, first order of business, get rid of bettman!

I think Eagleson has been released from prison. He did rip off a lot of his clients, but he also made the NHL a lot of money (himself included).

Eagleson can't be worse than bettman. :lol:

So what if he was involved in a scandal, so was bettman and it didn't stop him from getting the job.

Joking aside, I'm replace bettman with someone who's played the game and understands the NHL. Hire him a right hand man to take care of the business aspect.

And get rid of those stupid trapezoids behind the nets. It actually causes more injuries waiting for the puck to reach the touch zone.

[FirstStar]

The biggest problem and by far is the officiating.I feel it is not just them but other factors leading around time constraints or worries games might go on too long.

I see far too much dirty cheap hockey,not tough hockey but bending the rules.Officiating is incredibly predictable,they do a decent job for about 25-35 games then the whistles slowly disappear.

I almost fell out of my chair when i saw a Boston player crosscheck the Hab player in the back and got a penalty.The Bruins have several players who use crosschecks to the lower back all game long and never get called.I even saw a play where the bruin player had his arms around the Habs player's head,i was like lol nice,i guess you can hold the guys head now.

This kind of stuff goes on all around the league and some teams are taking advantage of it to gain an extra 10-20 points in the standings.

point is i want to see EVERY single cheap shot and foul called,no exceptions.if teams cry foul then tell them to play hockey and they won't have to worry about elongated games from penalties.

Another problem is when smaller players try to do the same dirty cheap shots,they have to put more effort into it and stand out more,whilst the bigger players can do it in a manner that makes it not look as bad so they get off scott free most of the time.

I would guarantee teams like the Bruins and Leafs and certain Flyers would drop off badly if called for all their dirty work.Sticks should NEVER be part of a BODY check,yet they are in almost EVERY body check.Another foul i see a lot is one hand coming off the stick to coral a player,that is suppose to be a penalty but refs are calling it about 10% of the time.This means you can basically commit fouls 90% of the time and it weighs in your favor since only 10% are penalties.

The only way to cut down on cheap shots (cut down, can't eliminate them completely) is to bring back the code. Players don't care about suspensions or fines, let them answer for their cheapshots on the ice and you'll see the cheapshots going down. Small players are taking liberties cos they know there aren't any consequences. Briere has had several occassions where he took cheapshots and has been suspended. Pretty sure he wouldn't have taken those cheap shots if he had to answer someone like Scott or Thornton.

It wasn't a perfect system, there was some confussion and some didn't quite understand the code, but most players will think twice if a butt kicking is the result of a cheap shot.

You really think players making millions care if they loose 250 000 in fines and have a few extra days at home with the families?

And the refs have to answer to bettman, it's become common knowledge that bettman has suggested to the refs to give certain teams (in weak markets, trying to win fans) and edge when it came to calls.

[habby4ever]

Noob616

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:33 AM

I'd take fighting out of the game and really crack down on hits from behind and to the head.

How would, Don Cherry, make a living, without "Rock Em, Sock Em", lol

I would love to have fighting out of the game, and more importantly, crack down or eliminate

hits from behind and to the head. Part of the problem, is the entertainment value, to those

who, are not sensitive to safety and short NHL Careers. Lining their pockets and bank accounts,

have a different priority. Most important is the love of hockey and its skills. I see it improving, but

it will be a slow process.

[MkGee]

Replace Bettman with MkGee

[HabsRuleForever]

Replace Bettman with MkGee

What would be your first official act?

[MkGee]

You know that tampa bay team.. it's in Quebec now lol oh and Montreal gets to pick the best French Canadian no matter what the prospects ranking and where the habs finished, also number 9 is retired league wide along with 33!! The winter classic next year is Montreal and Boston and Chara, Lucic, Kessel, Bozak, are banned from the NHL.. I'm a dictator not going to lie guys

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