Guest habs1952 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=437509 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIENS27 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Is anyone surprised the lawsuit has happened this quickly? Definitely count on more players joining the lawsuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Is anyone surprised the lawsuit has happened this quickly? Definitely count on more players joining the lawsuit. Marc Savard, and more. I am sure the NHL had their lawyers working on it right after the NFL settlement, or before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Is anyone surprised the lawsuit has happened this quickly? Definitely count on more players joining the lawsuit. Funny how the NHLPA isn't being held responsible along with the league. The NHLPA is also responsible for the lack of punishment to head hunters and goons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted November 26, 2013 Report Share Posted November 26, 2013 Funny how the NHLPA isn't being held responsible along with the league. The NHLPA is also responsible for the lack of punishment to head hunters and goons. The NHLPA should also sue the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 What's really surprising to me is that Lindros isn't the leader of the pack. I fully expected his name to be at the forefront. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEBIGGESTHABSFAN123 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 The NHLPA should also sue the NHL.They won't. Their the ones appealing suspensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 The NHLPA should also sue the NHL. How can they? The NHLPA negotiates disciplinary penalties as part of the CBA. If it wasn't for the NHLPA the league would have more freedom to mete out fines and suspensions which are much more severe than what the NHLPA wants. The NHLPA is there to protect their members pay cheques. If the members cared about their fellow members headshots and goonery would have been a thing of the past a long time ago. Realisticly, the players suing should be suing the NHLPA for not protecting them from their fellow members, but that, I guess, would mean they would be suing themselves! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerplay2009 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 I really don't think the NHLPA has any viable grounds to sue the league on, because they are really part of the problem. Unlike the NFLPA being able to sue the NFL, where they actually pushed to no avail for the NFL to take issue seriously. The only reason I suspect the NHLPA isn't involved on the same side as the NHL is because the players are probably getting pensions and whatnot. I really am surprised to see names that aren't as big as Lindros or Savard, but keep in mind Savard is still on the Bruins payroll. I really hope this can lead the league to take headshots more seriously, and hopefully take the necessary but unpopular (among the people who actually make decisions) action of taking fighting out of the game. The fallout if this goes anywhere is certainly compelling, but I really don't think this is the surefire suit the NFL was slammed with. A lot of these players played in the 70s and early 80s, when brain science for all intents and purposes wasn't even a thing. I'm not making a prediction as to how serious it is or how far it will get, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it stricken down by the courts pretty early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIENS27 Posted November 27, 2013 Report Share Posted November 27, 2013 Among the nonsupporters, Ken Daneyko, Keith Primeau, and Jeremy Roenick. Reonick went so far to say suing the league is their perogative and that there is a certain risk to be taken and he went on the ice knowing his health and life could be altered in a split second. He did because he loved the game. Source is the Associated Press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerplay2009 Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Vaive, who had played the most games and was one of the latest retirees, meaning he probably had the best chance to show some kind of substantial damage has signed off the lawsuit. Looks like it's going nowhere fast IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 What's really surprising to me is that Lindros isn't the leader of the pack. I fully expected his name to be at the forefront. His mother is thinking about it. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 What's really surprising to me is that Lindros isn't the leader of the pack. I fully expected his name to be at the forefront. Maybe had he listened to the flyers doctors he probably would've been leading the pack. But he made a big statement in the 90's by refusing to play and seeking a 2nd opinion from a doctor not on the flyers payroll. You play a contact sport, there are risks. But what the players (at least this is how I understand it) are upset about, is that the league had made inquiries, they payed good money for research, but didn;t pass on this information to the owners. Basically kept their finding hidden until recently when it became a huge issue. In a way the player has to take some responsibility as well. He had to know that playing a contact sport would permanently affect his body long term. It's chance they take and part of the reason why I justify them making the big bucks (if they don;t have brain issues, a lot are crippled with arthritis by the age of 50). Could a boxer such as Sugar Ray or ali have sued their trainers, the boxing association for suffering long term affect of being repeatedly hit in the head? Or should they have expected some long term affects from their career choice (it's boxing, the main objective is to knock out your opponent)? I feel for the players and in some cases agree with their lawsuit. Some I feel may be using the suit as a retirement plan. When Vaive read the terms of the suit, he pulled out. I remember back in the day I played a little football, I remember the coach back then saying, "your biggest weapon is your head, use your helmet, drill it into players...". They actually encouraged using your head as a battering ram. These type of lawsuits always kind of rub me the wrong way. Just like a smoker and drinker, they made their choice, can a drinker with liver issues sue Jack Daniel's for cirrhosis or a smoker sue Export "A" for lung cancer? They may not have had all the fact 20+ years ago, but no one who ever smoked a cigarette, can't honestly tell me they didn;t think or at least suspect it would cause long lasting damage to their health, which could also lead to death. I don;t think players who played before the research was done have much of an argument. Those who played during and after the NHL research, should definitely get something. Especially if they had informed their coach/team doctors of their side affects and were forced to play regardless. It's unfortunate for those who played and suffered concussions prior to the 90's, but you can't hold an organization responsible when no one knew much about concussions at the time. I always have trouble when people don't take responsibility for their own actions. Granted Lindros was a star and had more pull, but still, you have to know that playing a contact sport is going to affect your body long term. I see it a little bit like this... A man decides to drink for 30+ years, knowing all along that abusing alcohol had a long list of side affects(maybe didn;t have ALL the fact, but some). But oh, now at 65 he finds out his liver is shot, goes on TV and tells the public he needs a transplant. I say, "hell no!". He chose to drink, he knew of some of the consequences, you can't say after 40 years of drinking, "I changed my mind... Please help me, I need a liver...". You party harder than everyone else, you leave the party a little earlier (meaning your life expectancy is reduced). Who I feel for, are the lower line guys who didn;t have much of a voice. Granted they could've always chosen a different career. Stars like Lindros and Vaive could've used their star status to voice their opinion, exactly like Lindros did. For me the lower line guys get a lot of pressure, they know there are 10 other guys in the minors just waiting to nab their spot. Again, I battle with their own responsibility... if you keep banging your head against a wall and it hurts, well stop banging it. For me I think some have legitimate claims, like with anything, I feel there are some who are taking advantage of the situation. They knew the risks, but due to stiff competition played regardless, for those cases I don't think the league should be held accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerplay2009 Posted December 7, 2013 Report Share Posted December 7, 2013 You play a contact sport, there are risks. But what the players (at least this is how I understand it) are upset about, is that the league had made inquiries, they payed good money for research, but didn;t pass on this information to the owners. Basically kept their finding hidden until recently when it became a huge issue. I think that's what happened, but as it pertains to the lawsuit, the league took action after most of them retired, and in the twilight of the careers of those who hadn't yet. That makes it hard to argue their case. Really, until the mid-90's, everyone was on the same page. Then things started to come up and research was done to find out more. Unfortunately for players with symptoms on the lawsuit, it was too late. The NFL actively hid information and actually sponsored some false studies. For some reason the perception is that the NHL as a similar professional league did the same, but they didn't/ I'm not saying they handled it perfectly, but they aren't as bad as the NFL. Or at least if they are, they sure are better at hiding it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powerplay2009 Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 NFL lawsuit concussion denied by federal judge It's just as well that the NHL is going to fight what's left of this lawsuit (what ever happened to it anyway?), because it seems the federal courts think it's not enough to just throw money at an issue. Good on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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