ColRouleBleu Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Dale Weise #22__ Stats __.__ Splits __.__ Game Log __.__ Notes __.__ Videos __Position: Right Wing Shoots: RightBirth Place: Winnipeg, MB, CANBirth Date: 05-Aug-1988 Age: 25Height: 6' 2" Weight: 210Drafted by: NY Rangers Draft Year: 2008 Round 4(111 overall)Acquired: Traded from Vancouver 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamez74 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Welcome to the habs! Not a bad goal. Kinda like what Max would do lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habby4ever Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I hear he will be number 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I hear he will be number 22 Steve Shutt's old number. <wishes he could score like Shutt > Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted February 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Steve Shutt's old number. <wishes he could score like Shutt > 22 for 22, more Bégin than Shutt I'd say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 At 6'2 210 lbs maybe he can help us win some battles along the boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 who knows, maybe he'll be the next robert lang & be a successful late-bloomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Regis2 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Jason Ward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeanCountingHab Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 At 6'2 210 lbs maybe he can help us win some battles along the boards. Hopefully! The more battles we win along the boards, the faster we can get rid of the puck and dump it back to the other team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 A wish and a prayer? Maybe the likes of Habs management are hoping for a diamond in the rough... maybe it is about balance... too many skilled players and a need for more true crashers and bangers. Whatever the case may be, IMO, Diaz was actually not the player(s) I would have thought would be on the outs at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 maybe it is about balance... too many skilled players and a need for more true crashers and bangers. Considering that in the last 10 games we've been outscored 50 to 20, I would sincerely hope that the front office isn't operating from the theory that we have too many skilled players. From watching Dale in Vancouver over the last few years (albeit not intensely) and from reading Vancouver media/blog reports, he seems like a perfectly serviceable, not extremely physical fourth liner who can certainly be trusted with tougher defensive minutes than Parros. He's not going to be Prust or Moen. Considering his production at all levels, hoping for too much doesn't seem fair to the guy. I'm not expecting him to put up points or be a driver of possession. But if he helps us tighten up and roll the fourth with higher confidence, maybe our top 6 produces more and everybody's happy. If he's playing on the second line we most likely have a more serious problem than we thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 From watching Dale in Vancouver over the last few years (albeit not intensely) and from reading Vancouver media/blog reports, he seems like a perfectly serviceable, not extremely physical fourth liner who can certainly be trusted with tougher defensive minutes than Parros. He's not going to be Prust or Moen. Considering his production at all levels, hoping for too much doesn't seem fair to the guy. I'm not expecting him to put up points or be a driver of possession. But if he helps us tighten up and roll the fourth with higher confidence, maybe our top 6 produces more and everybody's happy. If he's playing on the second line we most likely have a more serious problem than we thought. Very good analysis, my take too. I have no problem with acquiring Weise. It would have been nice to get more for Diaz (id frankly have rather gotten a pick or decent prospect) but considering how they've devalued him (healthy scratch etc) its probably close the best we could have done & I have a sneaking suspicion it was in part salary dump (I know, small small gain but as opposed to bringing back a better player with a higher cap hit) because MB has a plan to bring in someone that we're going to need cap space for (which, tbh, scares me even more). I like the idea of Moen-Prust-White-Weise as our 4th line guys and i agree that any combination of that could mean more ice time for the 4th and a little less strain on the other lines although I have a feeling Weise is going to find himself on Eller's line or something. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 he will fit in well on the 4th line and it gave diaz a shot at playing. we held onto webber to long as well, it hurt his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habberwacky Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Very good analysis, my take too. I have no problem with acquiring Weise. It would have been nice to get more for Diaz (id frankly have rather gotten a pick or decent prospect) but considering how they've devalued him (healthy scratch etc) its probably close the best we could have done & I have a sneaking suspicion it was in part salary dump (I know, small small gain but as opposed to bringing back a better player with a higher cap hit) because MB has a plan to bring in someone that we're going to need cap space for (which, tbh, scares me even more). I like the idea of Moen-Prust-White-Weise as our 4th line guys and i agree that any combination of that could mean more ice time for the 4th and a little less strain on the other lines although I have a feeling Weise is going to find himself on Eller's line or something. We shall see. I think you are right. Weise may be able to do some third line work or allow Moen and Prust to spend more time in the top nine. He gives Therrien more options and I would like to see him given the opportunity to show off his speed and skills (if any). We are creating some healthy competition for our forward lines as well. When Galchenyuk returns this team will be playing with more speed and size. I also agree that we will probably make one or two more moves although, I am not sure there will be a big one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 I think you are right. Weise may be able to do some third line work or allow Moen and Prust to spend more time in the top nine. He gives Therrien more options and I would like to see him given the opportunity to show off his speed and skills (if any). We are creating some healthy competition for our forward lines as well. When Galchenyuk returns this team will be playing with more speed and size. I also agree that we will probably make one or two more moves although, I am not sure there will be a big one. Well there's no doubt he has speed - a surprising amount of it for a big man. Assuming we are moving Bourque fairly soon, I actually dont mind the idea of Galchenyuk-Eller-Weise ...at least for a try. Tell him to play north-south & go to the net. It opens up space for Eller/Gally and possibly sparks offense from that line. Mind you, if we're moving bourque, I assume we're getting a winger back in return but who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raydourque Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 love that him and his family are such big hab fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habberwacky Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Well there's no doubt he has speed - a surprising amount of it for a big man. Assuming we are moving Bourque fairly soon, I actually dont mind the idea of Galchenyuk-Eller-Weise ...at least for a try. Tell him to play north-south & go to the net. It opens up space for Eller/Gally and possibly sparks offense from that line. Mind you, if we're moving bourque, I assume we're getting a winger back in return but who knows... Just a little stat comparison: Bourque GP 43, G 7, A 2, -5, and TOI of 14:52 compared to Weise GP 44 G 3 A 12 -1 and a TOI of 7:45. He needed half the ice time to do what Bourque has done and costs almost 5 times less. Hmm. I wonder if Bourque will get the message. He is a bout 10 places above Bourque for scoring amongst forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerrick63 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Dale Weise #22 __ Stats __.__ Splits __.__ Game Log __.__ Notes __.__ Videos __ Position: Right Wing Shoots: Right Birth Place: Winnipeg, MB, CAN Birth Date: 05-Aug-1988 Age: 25 Height: 6' 2" Weight: 210 Drafted by: NY Rangers Draft Year: 2008 Round 4(111 overall) Acquired: Traded from Vancouver 2014 Thought Montreal could have done better with a player like Raphael Diaz. Why was Raphael in Montreal's bad books or was it just numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 who knows, maybe he'll be the next robert lang & be a successful late-bloomer That ended up being a decent move for us. I can't remember which big name we were after (sundin, Vinny?), but when it fell through Lang was like a plan "B" who worked out well. He led the team until his injury, wearing the stripped uniform. Another lang would be great. Thought Montreal could have done better with a player like Raphael Diaz. Why was Raphael in Montreal's bad books or was it just numbers. I don't know if it was a question of "being in the doghouse". I find it hard to say he was awful or bad, he just didn't look comfortable to me. Rushed plays that sometimes put his teammates in bad positions. I was thankful when he came back last season (we needed help), he never seemed to shake the rust, maybe rushed back due to the injuries. I remember him being more aggressive with the puck, moving it well and rushing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Just a little stat comparison: Bourque GP 43, G 7, A 2, -5, and TOI of 14:52 compared to Weise GP 44 G 3 A 12 -1 and a TOI of 7:45. He needed half the ice time to do what Bourque has done and costs almost 5 times less. Hmm. I wonder if Bourque will get the message. He is a bout 10 places above Bourque for scoring amongst forwards. Weise also has an extremely high (some would say almost certainly unsustainable) shooting percentage against weak competition, though, so it isn't as black and white as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 Just a little stat comparison: Bourque GP 43, G 7, A 2, -5, and TOI of 14:52 compared to Weise GP 44 G 3 A 12 -1 and a TOI of 7:45. He needed half the ice time to do what Bourque has done and costs almost 5 times less. Hmm. I wonder if Bourque will get the message. He is a bout 10 places above Bourque for scoring amongst forwards. How is weise's defensive game though? RB's offensive game may be poor, but he's actually been solid defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 4, 2014 Report Share Posted February 4, 2014 That ended up being a decent move for us. I can't remember which big name we were after (sundin, Vinny?), but when it fell through Lang was like a plan "B" who worked out well. He led the team until his injury, wearing the stripped uniform. Another lang would be great. Actually i meant Lang before he even got to us. He was a really slow starter - bounced between the nhl & ihl until he was like 28 and then when he finally cracked the bigs still had fairly unimpressive numbers then BAM - 60, 70, 80 point seasons. Like Weise, Lang scored pretty well in Junior. I dont actually think Weise is capable of a Robert Lang type late-bloome - BUT - he is only 25 (Diaz, btw is 28) and you never know. With that speed of his, if you paired him with the right linemates & told him to "go to the net" its quite possible he turns into a 35-40 point 3rd liner which would be ok. Brendan Gallagher doesnt score a lot of pretty goals. Lets put it this way, I watch a fair amount of Canuck games & IMHO, Vancouver never gave him a really solid shot at being anything other than a 4th line energy guy. Its possible thats all he is and all he will ever be, but lets give him a shot & see what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 He gets to wear my favourite/lucky #. Good luck with your Hab's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 Actually i meant Lang before he even got to us. He was a really slow starter - bounced between the nhl & ihl until he was like 28 and then when he finally cracked the bigs still had fairly unimpressive numbers then BAM - 60, 70, 80 point seasons. Like Weise, Lang scored pretty well in Junior. I dont actually think Weise is capable of a Robert Lang type late-bloome - BUT - he is only 25 (Diaz, btw is 28) and you never know. With that speed of his, if you paired him with the right linemates & told him to "go to the net" its quite possible he turns into a 35-40 point 3rd liner which would be ok. Brendan Gallagher doesnt score a lot of pretty goals. Lets put it this way, I watch a fair amount of Canuck games & IMHO, Vancouver never gave him a really solid shot at being anything other than a 4th line energy guy. Its possible thats all he is and all he will ever be, but lets give him a shot & see what he can do. Agreed, a lot to ask of the kid. But where Weise is only 25 and Diaz 27/28, he could still mature and Diaz should be in his prime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habberwacky Posted February 5, 2014 Report Share Posted February 5, 2014 That line provided a lot of energy. He played well, although he fell down a few times without much contact. I am sure there were a lot of nerves out there. This could be an interesting line going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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