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#77 Tom Gilbert 2014-2015


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  • 3 weeks later...

Know nothing about him can't say I ever noticed him play,but with the kind of guys MB has brought in,he should be good and well motivated.

GO HABS GO ALL THE WAY

He's going to get a love/hate thing going in short order. He has everywhere he's been. He's prone to obvious mistakes and people consider him soft for his size but he's a strong, 2nd pairing possession D. So those who believe that's important will likely love him and those who don't care about that will likely be very frustrated with him (probably Therrien).

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I am not sure I always get the fact when people say he has size but does not use that by being physical. Just because he does not go out and take the body all game size still becomes a huge factor. Reach, heavier to move off the puck are two things that come to mind, easier to get position on winger

I watched Josh Georges get thrown around pretty easily in the playoffs this season, because of his size, and add to the fact he is really not that great a skater, some games I really felt sorry for him, he was an easy target for the fast moving bigger wingers I really noticed this in the NY series.

Gilbert does have a bit more size, better puck possession and passing skills, and a better skater. will he block as many shots as Josh George - nope - who really does? Our biggest issue on the back end was not being able to retrieve the puck quick enough and make that good first pass to get our forwards going back up the ice, I see gilbert as a huge upgrade over georges in that area.

And also having Weaver resigned Georges role just was not required at all.

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I am not sure I always get the fact when people say he has size but does not use that by being physical. Just because he does not go out and take the body all game size still becomes a huge factor. Reach, heavier to move off the puck are two things that come to mind, easier to get position on winger

I watched Josh Georges get thrown around pretty easily in the playoffs this season, because of his size, and add to the fact he is really not that great a skater, some games I really felt sorry for him, he was an easy target for the fast moving bigger wingers I really noticed this in the NY series.

Gilbert does have a bit more size, better puck possession and passing skills, and a better skater. will he block as many shots as Josh George - nope - who really does? Our biggest issue on the back end was not being able to retrieve the puck quick enough and make that good first pass to get our forwards going back up the ice, I see gilbert as a huge upgrade over georges in that area.

And also having Weaver resigned Georges role just was not required at all.

Agree with everything here.

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I don't think anyone was saying his relative lack of physicality is a bad thing, at least in this conversation. I just said big guys who aren't very physical get a lot of unnecessary heat from fans and in my experience, they do.

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I don't think anyone was saying his relative lack of physicality is a bad thing, at least in this conversation. I just said big guys who aren't very physical get a lot of unnecessary heat from fans and in my experience, they do.

I'd agree with that to a certain point. If a guy is big but he brings a lot of other things to the table, like Pacioretty for example, I'm willing to accept that his game is not based on banging guys around and playing a physical style. On the other hand, a player like Moen or Prust or Murray really needs to bring some amount of physical presence to their game in order to have value. They just don't do enough other things to earn their roster spots and salaries if they're playing passive hockey. It's why Prust was largely ineffective when playing injured and one of the reasons Murray wasn't useful at all. In Gilbert's case, if he brings skill and finesse to his game, then I'm not going to be as tough on him for not being physical, but your point stands: there is definitely an expectation that bigger players should be using their size more than little guys. To me, that expectation is based not just on their size but on what else they're bringing instead of physicality though.

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I'd agree with that to a certain point. If a guy is big but he brings a lot of other things to the table, like Pacioretty for example, I'm willing to accept that his game is not based on banging guys around and playing a physical style. On the other hand, a player like Moen or Prust or Murray really needs to bring some amount of physical presence to their game in order to have value. They just don't do enough other things to earn their roster spots and salaries if they're playing passive hockey. It's why Prust was largely ineffective when playing injured and one of the reasons Murray wasn't useful at all. In Gilbert's case, if he brings skill and finesse to his game, then I'm not going to be as tough on him for not being physical, but your point stands: there is definitely an expectation that bigger players should be using their size more than little guys. To me, that expectation is based not just on their size but on what else they're bringing instead of physicality though.

Pacioretty is a good example, EVERY slump he goes through if you turn on TSN690 all you hear about is how he's too soft, doesn't go to the net, doesn't use his size.

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If a guy is big but he brings a lot of other things to the table, like Pacioretty for example, I'm willing to accept that his game is not based on banging guys around and playing a physical style.

Agree. Winning puck battles and clearing the front of the net are more important than trying to continually lay guys out. I'd rather see players keeping their position on the ice but if the chance arises to throw a good hit.....................

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I was being facetious earlier. I agree with roy in that I don't think the criticism will be warranted, but he'll face it. We're talking about a fanbase that's lukewarm on Diaz and reveres Weaver despite them being spectacularly similar players.

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I was being facetious earlier. I agree with roy in that I don't think the criticism will be warranted, but he'll face it. We're talking about a fanbase that's lukewarm on Diaz and reveres Weaver despite them being spectacularly similar players.

I think that may have had to do more with expectations. Weaver was an older player and a journeyman who nobody knew much about before he was acquired. Diaz was brought over here with a lot of buzz from the Habs organization about how he was a talented offensive defenceman. Even though Diaz ended up having some of the best possession numbers on the team and playing well defensively, he was deemed to be a failure because he didn't live up to the hype offensively and on the PP, whereas Weaver simply played his role well and surpassed the expectations that were there for him. Weaver will probably find he's judged more harshly this coming year, just as Gorges was revered for his breakout play early in his career and then dumped on more as the standards rose. In Gilbert's case, I hope people don't think he's going to come in here and play like Sheldon Souray or Roman Hamrlik or so on. What we can hope for is a solid possession guy who contributes at both ends of the ice and takes some of the ice time load off Markov and Subban.

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I hope people don't think he's going to come in here and play like Sheldon Souray or Roman Hamrlik or so on. What we can hope for is a solid possession guy who contributes at both ends of the ice and takes some of the ice time load off Markov and Subban.

Also, his success is going to been controlled, in large part, by how MT uses him. And, since I think Emelin is going to be his regular partner, how well Emmy bounces back this year.

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It'll be interesting to see how he plays. Don't know much about him other than he had a revelation in florida after some down years in edmonton. Can't blame him for bieng a failure in edmonton though.

If we dress him and Beaulieu, it gives us a legit second PP pairing which we haven't really had the privelege of having. Even with Diaz our second unit was usually Diaz-Bouillon/Gorges/anyone but emelin

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What was everyone's opinion of Gilbert through pre-season? I didn't really notice him much, and I missed a lot of the games.

Pretty good skater, moves the puck up the ice quickly and poised with the puck in his own zone. Not spectacular in the offensive zone but, again, moves the puck well to players more adept at creating offense. He didn't make any large errors from what I can remember. Maybe one or two bad pinches but that's it.

He would also do well to put the puck on net more often.

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Give it time... the defense as a whole has a new look and most likely a new approach that we all have to get accustomed to.

He wasn't even that bad. He had a couple (admittedly pretty significant) blunders, but ultimately he and Markov were given some of the toughest minutes and they kept their heads above water all night.

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