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#55 Sergei Gonchar 2014-2015


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Welcome I guess.

Habs continue their tradition of getting a player who would have been great 5 years earlier.

I wouldn't mind the trade if we had injuries or something; but demoting Tinordi to make room is not good.

Im still willing to give it a little time. I have no problem with Moen (who wasnt going to be used) for Gonchar - as long as - it doesnt mean Beaulieu & Tinordi have gone down the depth charts. Someone suggested perhaps a guy like Emelin is on the trade block - who knows. If MT uses Gonchar as a crutch, as e did in the past with Boullion and Murray this could be a very bad move. If he uses Gonchar as insurance, playing him ever handful of games, then it could still be a decent move.

Time will tell.

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When will this organization ever learn, you have to bite the bullet and let your kids develop. This is not the 70 where you had stars playing in the AHL. The righting is on the wall, one of Tinordi or Beualieu will be seeing the press box or Hamilton, again stunting their development



He will be good for the first 10 or 15 games and every will be raving about what a trade, and then after that it will be Kaberle 2.0

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Im still willing to give it a little time. I have no problem with Moen (who wasnt going to be used) for Gonchar - as long as - it doesnt mean Beaulieu & Tinordi have gone down the depth charts. Someone suggested perhaps a guy like Emelin is on the trade block - who knows. If MT uses Gonchar as a crutch, as e did in the past with Boullion and Murray this could be a very bad move. If he uses Gonchar as insurance, playing him ever handful of games, then it could still be a decent move.

Time will tell.

and based on our track record how optimistic do feel about that lol

btw i agree, if we use the guy correctly and make sure we get the kids in, sure pretty good move. even as a presence in practice he could help our pp guys

unfortuneatly my gut says one kid stays in hamilton one stays in the press box eating hot dogs and gonchar gets chance after chance even with marginal play

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He's not Kaberle because his contract ends this season. We have 8 D-men. There will be injuries along the way and we can roll the young ones in.

A lot of the complaining about this trade is based on the fact that most of us have little faith on the coaches line up decisions. Let's let it play out before we judge. Gonchar could end up playing 20 games this year. I want the young guys to play but they also need some competition and sometimes need a refresher in the minors. I don't see any problem with that.

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He's not Kaberle because his contract ends this season. We have 8 D-men. There will be injuries along the way and we can roll the young ones in.

A lot of the complaining about this trade is based on the fact that most of us have little faith on the coaches line up decisions. Let's let it play out before we judge. Gonchar could end up playing 20 games this year. I want the young guys to play but they also need some competition and sometimes need a refresher in the minors. I don't see any problem with that.

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He's not Kaberle because his contract ends this season. We have 8 D-men. There will be injuries along the way and we can roll the young ones in.

A lot of the complaining about this trade is based on the fact that most of us have little faith on the coaches line up decisions. Let's let it play out before we judge. Gonchar could end up playing 20 games this year. I want the young guys to play but they also need some competition and sometimes need a refresher in the minors. I don't see any problem with that.

I agree that it's a good idea to see how things play out. But based on the way things have been presented thus far (Tinordi to the minors, Beaulieu on the hot seat, Gonchar replacing Subban on the 1st PP wave) leaves a lot of questions open... changing the PP can't hurt, and maybe Gonchar will have success, but Subban is one of the top-scoring PP defencemen in the league the past few years, and the bigger problem is the forward group. Why is it okay to move Subban out but the coaches refuse to take the Desharnais line off the first wave? You're 100% right about the complaints coming because fans have no faith in MT's abilities to make decisions. He's done nothing to earn any confidence...

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Right deal, right time. And the slowdown on the two young D, the right decision. Beaulieu and Tinordi are better than last year, they are improving, but it seems like they are wilting under pressure some. I actually thought Tinordi was doing better than Beaulieu, or maybe it was just that the expectations were higher (for me, for Therrien, for others) on Beaulieu. Too often he's the deer in the heeadlights, and the Jets game, he puts his head down on the PP and drives a slapshot from the point ... right into a side-by-side 2-man wall not 8 feet from him. It was immediately followed by a two man Jet breakaway on Price.

Therrien knows Gonchar. he knows he'll consistently get good decisions out of him. Half of NHL hockey is making the right decisions when presented with options.

As far as the PP goes, hey, Gonchar does not have to stay on it, and Subban does not have to stay off of it. Gonchar is just another weapon on a PP that's been lacking weapons.

The only suggestion I have on the PP is to load up the first forward line: Galchenyuk-Plekanecs-Pacioretty. Opens up Patches on the right side too; harkens back to Camilleri there.

Anyways, not finding any real fault with MB/Therrien here, on Gonachar/Moen or Beaulieu + Tinordi. They are working to correct things, improve the team, and not sitting crossing their fingers.

Montreal's a tough place to play -- demanding crowd. Price/Tokarski can take it (comes with beinga goaltender your whole life, I suppose). Galchenyuk, Tinordi, Beaulieu -- they need to be brought along at a decent pace. Test them from time to time, but if they ain't swimming good, don't leave them in to drown.

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I think he showed us tonight why this will probably end up being one of our favorite trades. Sure, the Habs seem to favor veteran presence just *slightly* more than other markets that are less intense, but Gonchar is bringing it, and seems to be able to be a threat any time, not just as a power play "specialist." I'm liking this one more and more.

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I swear he had 7 or 8 shots but on the Sportsnet 3 stars after the game, it said he only had 3. Either way, he played a good game and I'm pleasantly surprised. I hope he can maintain this level of play.

Apparently it was 11 shots but only 3 were on net (6 i think were blocked, so a couple missed the net also). His game was good - and thats to be expected, he was an elite defensman for many many years... i just worry about whether its a) sustainable and B) going to come at the expense of a youngster. Even if he is better than Beaulieu right now (which im not convinced about) who is going to be more important to this team in 2 or 3 years? Beau (and TInordi) need time to learn and make mistakes.

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Apparently it was 11 shots but only 3 were on net (6 i think were blocked, so a couple missed the net also). His game was good - and thats to be expected, he was an elite defensman for many many years... i just worry about whether its a) sustainable and B) going to come at the expense of a youngster. Even if he is better than Beaulieu right now (which im not convinced about) who is going to be more important to this team in 2 or 3 years? Beau (and TInordi) need time to learn and make mistakes.

a) one game is not anything to judge a player on one way or the other (you're saying)

B) this is where I'm figuring MB /Therrien have this right. Sending Tinordi and/or Beaulieu to the AHL, limiting their NHL play .... that may hurt their confidence a lot less than we think, and importantly, likely a lot less than letting them play more NHL minute when they aren't ready to swim, and drown.

As someone else said too, a good team plans on having a decent group of 8 D-men. MB's been on that tact since Chicago days. He's now got that. Beaulieu-Tinordi-Pateryn as 6-7-8 wasn't looking great. Say, Markov and Emelin get injured at the same time / overlap and those three guys are all in the lineup. That's just a whole lot of 'YIkes!' to me.

There's a difference between wishing what the young D-men could be (now or in the future), and what they actually are, right now.

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I was a little apprehensive at first.

In his prime I would've loved to have him, but at 40...

Considering it was his 3-4th game of the season and 1st with the Habs, I was impressed. Not just at how he moved the puck and wasn't afraid to shoot the puck, but his physical game as well.

I'm wondering if there was more to the trade, more than just getting Moen's salary off the books for next season and giving us help on the backend for this season. Of everything I read about him, one thing kept repeating. He's a great locker room guy and a great mentor for younger dmen, that's from several different teams. Admittedly, we have a young blueline, even PK is only 24/25.

Both Bo and Tinordi could use some mentoring. My first choice would be Robinson, but that doesn't look like it'll ever happen.

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I thought he looked rough 5 on 5 tonight

Agreed. I dont love the fact that we've seen both right D playing together and Emelin on his off side. Isnt that the whole reason we let Gorges go & signed Gilbert and weaver?

If Therrien insists on dressing 7 dmen, i wonder if Gonchar could do PP time and some limited 4th line duties? He uses his size well enough to do ok on the boards on fourth line if the matchup isnt too demanding.

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