jedimaas Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I've never really watched him, but for some reason always assumed he could be a solid #2. I know he's not the most physical guy, but neither is Markov. But if you've watched him more than me, Ill take your word for it. But either way, lie you said he'd definitely be a good addition to our top 4. Yeah, imho we have 3 bonefide top 4 right now (Subban, Markov and Beaulieu). Its probably fair to call Gonchar a top 4 right now (although he does look bad at times) but I probably wouldnt resign him this summer (unless *maybe* its a one year deal). Gilbert may still have the ability to be a top 4 (he's gotten the short end of the stick most of the year) but he's a very good 3rd pairing guy if we choose to use him that way (vs a fringe 2nd pairing). The real question mark is probably Tinordi. Can he be a top 4? Or, more importantly, will MT use him as a top 4? Seems to be quite a few options for our third line, but not many names that really fit into the top 6 outside of Jagr and Stewart. And im not even certain that Jagr or Steward makes our top 6 better. look at our 4 best wingers (Patches, Gallagher, Galchenyuk (or DD - as one of them is playing wing), Sekac, PAP) are any available pending UFAs as good as the 4 best of those? Chances are MT wont use our 4 best wingers in the top 2 lines (he likes to spread things around) which is even more of a reason not to sell the farm to get a 1st or 2nd line rental but rather shore things up down low. If you got a capable 3rd line winger (Ryder maybe?) then you could push Prust down to the 4th line & get something like Patches - Plekanec - PAP Galchenyuk - DD - Gallagher Sekac - Eller - Ryder Bournival - Prust - Weise We have 4 lines you could roll consistently during the gruelling schedule of the playoffs and decent scoring ability on 3 of the 4 lines. A guy like Ryder could be had for very little, while I would assume a Jagr or similar will command a 2nd rounder or decent prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfoundlandHab Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Would we really want to go for round 3 with Ryder, though? Especially since we saw how little he did in the playoffs last time around? It might be a bit different with him on the third line instead of one of the top lines, but I think we could find a better fit. In the playoffs, I'd lie to have a tough minutes line, too. One you can match up against the Crosbys, Stamkos', etc. I think if we find a defensively responsible, two way guy, we could make Patch, Pleks, and that player that line, or Eller-Sekac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfoundlandHab Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Max Lapierre to PIT for Goc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Would we really want to go for round 3 with Ryder, though? Especially since we saw how little he did in the playoffs last time around? It might be a bit different with him on the third line instead of one of the top lines, but I think we could find a better fit. In the playoffs, I'd lie to have a tough minutes line, too. One you can match up against the Crosbys, Stamkos', etc. I think if we find a defensively responsible, two way guy, we could make Patch, Pleks, and that player that line, or Eller-Sekac. Anyone is a crapshoot though. I mean you cant look at ryder & say he only scored 2 points with us in 5 games (his last post season) without saying that the playoffs before that (the bruins) he scored 17 points in 25 games. He's hot and cold and its tough to say what he'd be on our team but i think if the cost is low enough for a guy like that, its not a bad gamble. You never know when a Ryder or a PAP or (like last year) a bourque will heat up in the post season. I am not sure we need a 'tough minutes winger' - we already actually have quite a few guys who could play that role alongside patches-pleks and sekac-eller (prust, weise and bournival can all play great defense) but one who can chip in some goals and play sound defensively, that would be nice for sure - although im not sure he's out there & available at trade deadline time... really curious to see what MB cooks up this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Just a hunch, but MB already tried to trade for Franson, he just might try again. MB "might" be interested in Jagr, as, IMO, Jagr would want to go out with a chance to win another cup. He might be the missing piece we need, and he might try harder if he were on the Habs. As far as Yakupov goes, he might be good for next year, but this year he would be a project, and I wouldn't want to have a project for the POs. Just sayin, is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Bruins put Gagne on waivers http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/nhl/simon-gagne-placed-on-waivers-by-bruins-report/ar-AA8Hdm7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Just a hunch, but MB already tried to trade for Franson, he just might try again. I was thinking about Franson the other day too - clearly the leafs seem willing to deal him, although once we got Gilbert and Weaver signed im not sure Franson would be of interest any more. Plus he's put up pretty strong point totals this year (despite being pretty inconsistent) so I would imagine the asking price would be much more than what we'd want to give. MB "might" be interested in Jagr, as, IMO, Jagr would want to go out with a chance to win another cup. He might be the missing piece we need, and he might try harder if he were on the Habs. Jagr is a really tough one to read. He seemed to genuinely feel like he'd rather stay on the top line with the devil (missing the playoffs) vs. getting traded somewhere to get used 8-10 minutes a game on another team's 4th line. He's got a very underrated defensive game, Id frankly love to see Sekac-Eller-Jagr as our tough matchup line in the post season (although that doesnt solve our lack of true #1RW) but I doubt we'd get Jagr anyway (even though it feels like a good fit). As far as Yakupov goes, he might be good for next year, but this year he would be a project, and I wouldn't want to have a project for the POs. Im not positive about that. I think Yakupov could probably step right on to the right team & absolutely explode. In Edmonton they've been doing very strange things with him and their "system" is non-existent. It would be a risk, for sure, but probably one of the potentially biggest payoffs in terms of a trade right now out there. If edmonton was looking for Vets I think MB would have already made that deal but I think they want youth & picks so I dont see us getting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 According to TSN's Pierre LeBrun, pending free agents Antoine Vermette, Martin Erat, Zbynek Michalek and David Moss (Coyotes) are the key pieces available, with the interest in Vermette already well apparent since before the All-Star break. Defenceman Keith Yandle could also be a trade asset as there have been plenty of inquiries, but Maloney would rather keep the 28-year-old as part of the rebuilding core. The team hopes to acquire "young assets" in these deals while further bolstering their lineup with the upcoming draft and in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 The team hopes to acquire "young assets" in these deals while further bolstering their lineup with the upcoming draft and in free agency. And therein lies the problem - not just with Arizona, but any team listed as a 'seller' on deadline day is 99% of the time looking for roster youth, high end prospects or picks. Unless there's a good chance to resign a player or you're getting a guy under contract (Yandle, Yakupov) I would be very hesitant to give up youth or picks at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 And therein lies the problem - not just with Arizona, but any team listed as a 'seller' on deadline day is 99% of the time looking for roster youth, high end prospects or picks. Unless there's a good chance to resign a player or you're getting a guy under contract (Yandle, Yakupov) I would be very hesitant to give up youth or picks at this point. The trend has been moving to the side of caution by GM's. We're certainly not seeing them jump in with both feet throwing away kids and picks like they have in the past. I don't expect much movement based on the early rumours of asking prices by teams. Unless a GM is truly looking to part with somebody at any price, and is not worried about his reputation being tarnished as an easy mark, i doubt we see an active trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee-X Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 To be honest I'd actually be pretty happy if Bergevin does nothing at all at the trade deadline this year. For the first time in a while I feel like our roster's actually in pretty good shape all around. That's not to say that I don't think that we can improve as a team, but I think that our biggest current problems are systemic in nature and wouldn't really be helped much by adding another player. I mean I'd be on board if we could get a Ryder or a Jagr, but only if the deal was similar to what we paid for Vanek last year (i.e. not very much). Personally I've always had a soft spot for Ryder. I wonder what the record is for a guy leaving and then being resigned by the same team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 To be honest I'd actually be pretty happy if Bergevin does nothing at all at the trade deadline this year. For the first time in a while I feel like our roster's actually in pretty good shape all around. That's not to say that I don't think that we can improve as a team, but I think that our biggest current problems are systemic in nature and wouldn't really be helped much by adding another player. I mean I'd be on board if we could get a Ryder or a Jagr, but only if the deal was similar to what we paid for Vanek last year (i.e. not very much). I agree. I suspect he'll add a depth player or 2 but I think its highly unlikely we make a huge splash (but then who really saw the Vanek thing happening?) Like you, i believe our main problems are with the system. If only we could trade Therrien + 1st to detroit for Babcock Sorry MT! Personally I've always had a soft spot for Ryder. I wonder what the record is for a guy leaving and then being resigned by the same team? I agree. Its why if the cost was minimal (a player we have rights to but currently plays in Europe or, a 3rd roudner or something) id be totally fine with adding him. You know he'll chip in some goals when least expect it and one hot streak from a guy like Ryder can go a long way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff33 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 guys like tlusty and vermette etc, all these names that are floating are going to have ridiculous price tags. there are 2 guys out there who make sense for us that we wont have to give up much to get. 1. jagr. put him on the first line, bump everyone down 1 spot, bobs your uncle. hes 6'3, plays good defense and still got the moves like...yeesh. sorry btw you guys are nuts ryder!? ew. the innovator of "the move", over 1000 attempts, still hasn't pulled it off. one day! never hits anybody, slow as church, connects a pass every 3-5 games...no thanks. we already have PAP as our designated guy who accomplishes nothing but manages to get on the scoresheet 2. chris phillips. i havent looked up his contract situation etc but i think he would be a nice insurance piece for a playoff run. id like franson more but hes gonna cost. so is methot. so is paul martin. id love any of those guys but teams are going to overpay. phillips can probably be had for nothing. thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 2. chris phillips. i havent looked up his contract situation etc but i think he would be a nice insurance piece for a playoff run. id like franson more but hes gonna cost. so is methot. so is paul martin. id love any of those guys but teams are going to overpay. phillips can probably be had for nothing. thoughts? My issue with Phillips is that our D corps is already very, very old. If we didn't have Gonchar, maybe. But would the Senators really trade their longest tenured player to us anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 My issue with Phillips is that our D corps is already very, very old. If we didn't have Gonchar, maybe. But would the Senators really trade their longest tenured player to us anyway? With Phillips signed through next year and as far as I can tell not in the Sens plans, I think they would trade him to anyone to save the 2.5 mil. Heck, Ottawa is so cheap they don't even have hot water in the washrooms at the CTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPPAPUMPED Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 March 2nd. is the trade dead-line & Marc Bergevin knows he needs to add another forward to the line-up that can bring added size & toughness to the roster for the play-offs. Habs stand together well as a team & our speed creates havic for most teams if not all we face through the regular season. In my opinion another big power forward is needed the question is can Bergevin pull off a trade or free agent signing with-out selling the farm more or less lol. Habs have approximetly 14 mill to play with so the money is there for sure. I would like to hear what other Habs fans think on this matter & get back to me really interested in hearing your comments thank-you ! Go Habs Go !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I wouldn't mind seeing another forward added for the post-season. I doubt we'll achieve something as exciting as the Vanek trade from last year, but another top-9 forward would be super nice. Vermette's name seems to be a popular one out there as trade deadline day approaches. I don't know much about his game, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Regarding the Ryder speculation,,,,,,,,Michael Ryder is a healthy scratch for tonight's contest. Something brewing, or is he just playing poorly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 March 2nd. is the trade dead-line & Marc Bergevin knows he needs to add another forward to the line-up that can bring added size & toughness to the roster for the play-offs. Habs stand together well as a team & our speed creates havic for most teams if not all we face through the regular season. In my opinion another big power forward is needed the question is can Bergevin pull off a trade or free agent signing with-out selling the farm more or less lol. Habs have approximetly 14 mill to play with so the money is there for sure. I would like to hear what other Habs fans think on this matter & get back to me really interested in hearing your comments thank-you ! Go Habs Go !!! As far as I know the Habs only have 1.5 mil of cap space to play with. To get a good forward we'll need to trade salary for salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 As far as I know the Habs only have 1.5 mil of cap space to play with. To get a good forward we'll need to trade salary for salary. I think it was just a typo on his part. The decimal was missing. That 1.5 translates into a contract of between 3 and 4 mill the closer we get to the pro rated March 2nd deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAPPAPUMPED Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 The trades that Bergevin made freed up 14 mill of cap space for next year you can check out the numbers if you want to this is what I got when I investigated the numbers on TSN,Rogers Sportsnet . I'm certain that my numbers are correct ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 March 2nd. is the trade dead-line & Marc Bergevin knows he needs to add another forward to the line-up that can bring added size & toughness to the roster for the play-offs. Habs stand together well as a team & our speed creates havic for most teams if not all we face through the regular season. In my opinion another big power forward is needed the question is can Bergevin pull off a trade or free agent signing with-out selling the farm more or less lol. Habs have approximetly 14 mill to play with so the money is there for sure. I would like to hear what other Habs fans think on this matter & get back to me really interested in hearing your comments thank-you ! Go Habs Go !!! Your post inferred the Habs have 14 million NOW in cap space. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Couple more rumours involving the Habs,,,,,neither of which i can see happening. http://www.tsn.ca/trade-talk-ducks-show-interest-in-sabres-d-myers-canadiens-eyeing-capitals-d-green-1.197127 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Couple more rumours involving the Habs,,,,,neither of which i can see happening. http://www.tsn.ca/trade-talk-ducks-show-interest-in-sabres-d-myers-canadiens-eyeing-capitals-d-green-1.197127 Just over 6 Mil. cap hit. Too rich for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfoundlandHab Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Just over 6 Mil. cap hit. Too rich for me. Green is a FA after this season. If we have a realistic shot at signing him, he'd likely end up re-signing for less than that. Of course, then there's also the possibility of losing him for nothing. Myers is interesting. A 6'8", 220lb Dman who has won the Calder as the league's best rookie. He hasn't been playing up to hype in Buffalo, but I think he would be capable of more if he were to play elsewhere. Perhaps his recent struggles could force BUF to retain a bit of his 5.5M salary or lower the asking price for him. I haven't actually watched a lot of Myers y any means. If he is your typical big pylon Dman, then I have no interest. But assuming he can skate relatively well for a man his size, then I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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