Trade deadline - March 2nd

[tony5775]

Watched a Jets game a few games back, just to see Kane. This kid has a lot of talent. If we could pull an Eller for Kane deal I would do it and the Jets might go for that. I believe the players here would be able to get and keep him on track.

Grab Jagr for the playoff run, we would be in for a deep playoff run.

[HabsRuleForever]

Kane is out for the season pending shoulder surgery.

[jedimaas]

Kane is out for the season pending shoulder surgery.

Yeah, I suspect he'll remain with the team until draft day but its possible someone makes a 'hockey deal' for him, but that means its unlikely a team looking for playoff help (ie us) would make that move, unless the Jets are content with Picks or Prospects in return. I cant see us giving up a roster player for Kane.

[fnveenie]

Kane is out for the season pending shoulder surgery.

Whomp, whomp...

[HabsRuleForever]

Yeah, I suspect he'll remain with the team until draft day but its possible someone makes a 'hockey deal' for him, but that means its unlikely a team looking for playoff help (ie us) would make that move, unless the Jets are content with Picks or Prospects in return. I cant see us giving up a roster player for Kane.

We won't & I don't see anyone else doing it either.

On a side note: Are you the guy trying to trade our best player "something" for nothing? I read something above about that.

[jedimaas]

On a side note: Are you the guy trying to trade our best player "something" for nothing? I read something above about that.

Yeah, sorry 'bout that. But it wasnt something for nothing - it was Something for a guy with the moves like Jagr.

[habsisme]

I would jump at a chance at Kane! Not for Eller though. I'm thinking 1st round pick, PAP/DD, and a mid level prospect (Nygren?). OR I would do a 2nd/3rd, Tinordi and PAP/DD.

I guess it won't happen at deadline now, but all I know is I don't think we need another rental. I want Kane, Eberle, Yakupov, Myers, Franson... young players who can help now and later.

[BigTed3]

I wonder if NOW is actually a great time to make a play for Kane. Why? The Jets are in the thick of the playoff hunt, and the fact is that they'll want players who can help them now. As much as they didn't get along with Kane, he's a good player. They were going to inevitably trade him eventually, so from their end, why not give up a player who won't help you in your playoff chase this year and likely won't ever play for you again? The Habs would be taking a gamble on his recovery from surgery, as well as on the question of attitude, but those are risks I'm willing to take for a player of his caliber and age and one on such a reasonable contract.

So what would it take? Given the Jets want help now, but likely also want someone who can help them down the line (and given that Pacioretty and Galchenyuk are untouchable), the two primary targets for them would likely be Gallagher and Eller. Losing one of them definitely hurts our own chances this season, especially when there's no roster player coming back for immediate help, but it would set us up very well in the future. Personally, I like Eller's two-way game, size, and potential more, so I'd be more willing to give up Gallagher, whose abilities (outside of size) are not that far below Kane's. To me, something like Gallagher + Emelin for Kane + 4th or something like Gallagher + 2nd for Kane could be ideas we throw out there...

[jedimaas]

I wonder if NOW is actually a great time to make a play for Kane. Why? The Jets are in the thick of the playoff hunt, and the fact is that they'll want players who can help them now. As much as they didn't get along with Kane, he's a good player. They were going to inevitably trade him eventually, so from their end, why not give up a player who won't help you in your playoff chase this year and likely won't ever play for you again? The Habs would be taking a gamble on his recovery from surgery, as well as on the question of attitude, but those are risks I'm willing to take for a player of his caliber and age and one on such a reasonable contract.

So what would it take? Given the Jets want help now, but likely also want someone who can help them down the line (and given that Pacioretty and Galchenyuk are untouchable), the two primary targets for them would likely be Gallagher and Eller. Losing one of them definitely hurts our own chances this season, especially when there's no roster player coming back for immediate help, but it would set us up very well in the future. Personally, I like Eller's two-way game, size, and potential more, so I'd be more willing to give up Gallagher, whose abilities (outside of size) are not that far below Kane's. To me, something like Gallagher + Emelin for Kane + 4th or something like Gallagher + 2nd for Kane could be ideas we throw out there...

I have no problem with that deal whatsoever. I think we can limp along without gallagher for a couple of months (or maybe we add guy like Jagr for picks in the meantime) and who knows, maybe Kane is good to go for the playoffs.

[habsisme]

I wonder if NOW is actually a great time to make a play for Kane. Why? The Jets are in the thick of the playoff hunt, and the fact is that they'll want players who can help them now. As much as they didn't get along with Kane, he's a good player. They were going to inevitably trade him eventually, so from their end, why not give up a player who won't help you in your playoff chase this year and likely won't ever play for you again? The Habs would be taking a gamble on his recovery from surgery, as well as on the question of attitude, but those are risks I'm willing to take for a player of his caliber and age and one on such a reasonable contract.

So what would it take? Given the Jets want help now, but likely also want someone who can help them down the line (and given that Pacioretty and Galchenyuk are untouchable), the two primary targets for them would likely be Gallagher and Eller. Losing one of them definitely hurts our own chances this season, especially when there's no roster player coming back for immediate help, but it would set us up very well in the future. Personally, I like Eller's two-way game, size, and potential more, so I'd be more willing to give up Gallagher, whose abilities (outside of size) are not that far below Kane's. To me, something like Gallagher + Emelin for Kane + 4th or something like Gallagher + 2nd for Kane could be ideas we throw out there...

I agree but in my opinion I don't think we should be trading Eller or Gallagher and I'm not sure I'd want to pay that high a price for Kane at this point. I want him, but I want to give up prospects and a roster player we can easily live without (DD or PAP) if that's not enough, I'll pass and wait for our prospects to develop

[concreteveins]

The need for more offence on the team is a must. The bottom six need a boost with a swingman who can play on second line.

I don't think it would be too much to give up to get Steve Bernier out of New Jersey. He has played approximately 375 minutes this year and based on that ice time gets 1.92 points per 60 minutes.

I would also go for Mike Santorelli who has played approximately 686 minutes and gets 1.75 points every 60 minutes.

Both players have good possession numbers for non-playoff teams, less than 1 million on the cap combined and UFA next year.

This should prove to be great depth for the playoffs and then make a run for Kane in the offseason. Acquiring Kane now does nothing for a playoff run this year which is highly probable.

[kinot-1]

I don't want Kane on our team, and here's why.

We would be trading a decent roster player,, maybe a prospect, and maybe even a draft pick for a guy who can not help us now (being out 4-6 mons.), thereby depleting our already underwhelming scoring. He has already been benched once last year and again this year. Evidently, he "has also raised eyebrows with photos he posted on social media showing him talking into a stack of cash instead of a cellphone and doing a pushup with a bundle of money on his back".

Not a team player in my view.

[jennifer_rocket]

I can't imagine Marc Bergevin pulling the trigger on any deal for Kane if he's going to be recovering from surgery for that long.

[BigTed3]

A lot of people talked about Tyler Seguin as "not being a team player" before he went to Dallas. Now he's one of the top players in the league. The talent was there in Boston, he just needed some time to mature away from the immaturity of Lucic and Marchand and so on. How many times have we heard about PK Subban not being a team player, as reported by a few members of the media who take the lazy way out and report a story without any facts to back up what they're saying? In Evander Kane's case, he's a player who broke into the NHL at a young age, and sometimes those guys need a change of scenery and a fresh start at an older age to work past playing the role of the young guy. In Kane's case, much like Subban and Eller here, he seems to have been unfairly singled out on a few occasions by the media and coaches in Winnipeg, and unlike Subban, he didn't smile and nod, he just didn't put up with it. I think Kane would be fine here, with the right guidance, and I'd have no hesitation trying to acquire a player of his caliber.

On a separate note, with Timonen returning to the Flyers, they have a wealth of D men they're over-paying, especially given they're not really contenders this year. A player like Braydon Coburn or Nik Grossman could become available and might fit in here. The problem with acquiring a mid-level D man, though, is that I don't trust Therrien to bump the right guy: it may mean pushing Beaulieu back to the press box, which is a big step back.

[Flying_Lion]

A lot of people talked about Tyler Seguin as "not being a team player" before he went to Dallas. Now he's one of the top players in the league. The talent was there in Boston, he just needed some time to mature away from the immaturity of Lucic and Marchand and so on. How many times have we heard about PK Subban not being a team player, as reported by a few members of the media who take the lazy way out and report a story without any facts to back up what they're saying? In Evander Kane's case, he's a player who broke into the NHL at a young age, and sometimes those guys need a change of scenery and a fresh start at an older age to work past playing the role of the young guy. In Kane's case, much like Subban and Eller here, he seems to have been unfairly singled out on a few occasions by the media and coaches in Winnipeg, and unlike Subban, he didn't smile and nod, he just didn't put up with it. I think Kane would be fine here, with the right guidance, and I'd have no hesitation trying to acquire a player of his caliber.

On a separate note, with Timonen returning to the Flyers, they have a wealth of D men they're over-paying, especially given they're not really contenders this year. A player like Braydon Coburn or Nik Grossman could become available and might fit in here. The problem with acquiring a mid-level D man, though, is that I don't trust Therrien to bump the right guy: it may mean pushing Beaulieu back to the press box, which is a big step back.

Not often I disagree with you, Ted, but I wouldn't be willing to roll the dice.

That said, and having thought about it, maybe our room would be a great place for him to find his way.

Glad I'm not the one that has to make the decision.

Happier that the decision has been pretty much taken out of our hands with the surgery decision.

[CANADIENS27]

I don't want Kane on our team, and here's why.

We would be trading a decent roster player,, maybe a prospect, and maybe even a draft pick for a guy who can not help us now (being out 4-6 mons.), thereby depleting our already underwhelming scoring. He has already been benched once last year and again this year. Evidently, he "has also raised eyebrows with photos he posted on social media showing him talking into a stack of cash instead of a cellphone and doing a pushup with a bundle of money on his back".

Not a team player in my view.

An NHL.com article pointed out he was benched for walking into a team wearing a track suit when everyone else was wearing suits and ties. A teammate said he needs to quit being a jerk. If he's that kind of bad influence in the lockerroom, then why would we want him? It's another thing Bergevin needs to be aware of.

[BigTed3]

An NHL.com article pointed out he was benched for walking into a team wearing a track suit when everyone else was wearing suits and ties. A teammate said he needs to quit being a jerk. If he's that kind of bad influence in the lockerroom, then why would we want him? It's another thing Bergevin needs to be aware of.

Again, other guys who were said to have been "bad teammates" or "problems in the room" include Chris Chelios, Tyler Seguin, Patrick Roy, Shayne Corson, Chris Pronger, Brad Marchand, Alex Ovechkin, and so on. Many of those guys have won Cups despite this; all of them are pretty decent hockey players. Yes, sometimes you get a player like Mike Ribeiro who just appears to be a cancer anywhere he goes. But in a lot of cases, you have players who are simply young and immature and need a change of scenery. Kane is still young, he's got oodles of talent. He's a player you have the chance to buy low on and while it might be a bit of a risk, the opportunity to acquire true top-line wingers at a reasonable price don't come up often.

[Habs_Hockey_Nutz]

According to the 4th Period the following players are those the Habs seem to be targeting....

Evander Kane, LW
Cap Hit: $5.25M | Term Left: 3 | Age: 23

Antoine Vermette, LW/C
Cap Hit: $3.75M | Term Left: 0 | Age: 32

Keith Yandle, D
Cap Hit: $5.25M | Term Left: 1 | Age: 28

Mike Green, D
Cap Hit: $6.083M | Term Left: 0 | Age: 29

Andrej Sekera, D
Cap Hit: $2.75M | Term Left: 0 | Age: 28

Jiri Tlusty, RW/LW
Cap Hit: $2.95M | Term Left: 0 | Age: 26

Jaromir Jagr, RW
Cap Hit: $3.5M | Term Left: 0 | Age: 43

Jordan Eberle, RW
Cap Hit: $6M | Term Left: 4 | Age: 24

IMO There could be some options on other lower profile players like Santorelli, Winnick, Z. Kassian, S. Bernier and Chipchura to boost the bottom six. While players like Drew Stafford, Myers, Stewart (Buffalo), Franson (Toronto), Methot, Neil (Ottawa), Jeff Petry (Edmonton) Fleishman (Florida) do deserve some consideration IMHO.

[Guest habs1952]

Again, other guys who were said to have been "bad teammates" or "problems in the room" include Chris Chelios, Tyler Seguin, Patrick Roy, Shayne Corson, Chris Pronger, Brad Marchand, Alex Ovechkin, and so on. Many of those guys have won Cups despite this; all of them are pretty decent hockey players. Yes, sometimes you get a player like Mike Ribeiro who just appears to be a cancer anywhere he goes. But in a lot of cases, you have players who are simply young and immature and need a change of scenery. Kane is still young, he's got oodles of talent. He's a player you have the chance to buy low on and while it might be a bit of a risk, the opportunity to acquire true top-line wingers at a reasonable price don't come up often.

If Kane is supposedly a jerk in a small market like Winnipeg what are the chances he turns it around in a huge market like Montreal? I dunno, maybe this is his way of trying to get out of Winnipeg but if he's not gonna change his character I don't think I'd want him. I'd love to have him but at what cost(players/picks/team unity) to make a deal to get him?

[RicochetII]

Kane for prospects/picks, I'd risk it. (Since he can't be part of the roster due to surgery)

Tlustly or Jagr, if the cost is reasonable.

Sekera or another defensive rental could work, but again, at the right cost.

Eberle would be the best option, imo. Eller, Emelin, De La Rose, Tinordi, Pateryn, Nygren, Tokarski, Fucale, etc. Might make good trade bait. Plekanec could be a consideration.

[Litany]

If Kane is supposedly a jerk in a small market like Winnipeg what are the chances he turns it around in a huge market like Montreal? I dunno, maybe this is his way of trying to get out of Winnipeg but if he's not gonna change his character I don't think I'd want him. I'd love to have him but at what cost(players/picks/team unity) to make a deal to get him?

If there's a chance of it being "Big fish in a small pond" do you take it?

Kane's got talent. I don't think anyone would dispute that. I'm with BigTed that you take the chance to buy low on a guy that could end up being a gamebreaker, and even if he doesn't turn out to be that good is still a top six winger.

I'd consider Eller+ even though I'd expect him to center line two in the near future (When Plekanec retires, moves on or wind's down) because Kane solidifes our offense.

[MergenTatara]

Kane's got talent. I don't think anyone would dispute that. I'm with BigTed that you take the chance to buy low on a guy that could end up being a gamebreaker, and even if he doesn't turn out to be that good is still a top six winger.

It's ok, we won't get him . Expect MB to either spring a Francophone surprise or do no significant trade.

[Guest habs1952]

If there's a chance of it being "Big fish in a small pond" do you take it?

Kane's got talent. I don't think anyone would dispute that. I'm with BigTed that you take the chance to buy low on a guy that could end up being a gamebreaker, and even if he doesn't turn out to be that good is still a top six winger.

I'd consider Eller+ even though I'd expect him to center line two in the near future (When Plekanec retires, moves on or wind's down) because Kane solidifes our offense.

I don't think anyone is going to buy Kane "low". There is always a GM willing to pay.

[Hab-a-nice-day--33-_mtlc]

I remember in the past when the majority of posts were signifying the importance of size, grit, and toughness as being crucial for surviving a long playoff run. Lately (with the emergence of Sekac, Beaulieu and Weise), I am reading some suggestions to trade either/and/or Eller, Emelin, & Tinordi.

My opinion is to not give up on these players. They have had roller coaster seasons but I would prefer to hang on to them (at least until the end of this season, past the deadline).

[habsisme]

I want kane but I'm not giving up a good young player that is already a major part of our team (Eller, Gallagher) I'm willing to give up prospects, picks, and throw in PAP/DD. I think that COULD do it, it wouldn't make sense for someone else to give up a good young player that's already a part of their team either, unless its a problem for problem type of deal... In any case, I think trading Eller/Gallagher is spinning our wheels. We need to add an elite winger without giving up what's already here. Makes no sense otherwise to risk messing with the room.

Kane is likely not going to be a deadline deal... but I want to add him, Eberle, Yandle, Green... I'd love to add 2 of those! But I think the more likely small move would be to add someone like Drew Stafford, or Jagr.... maybe Tlusty but I'm not that interested in him