kinot-1 Posted February 11, 2015 Report Share Posted February 11, 2015 Here's the way I see Jagr's fit here. He knows his window for another ring is closing fast, therefore, he would want to got to a contender,,, this year. We "are" a contender. We can use a RW, who can still play, still has the skills, (29 PTs. in 50 GP, nothing to sneeze at), and IMO, would give 110% to the team. He would definitely help our PP with his 2 PPG, and 5 PPA. Having said that, I don't want to give up a lot for basically a rental, (say a 1st and a roster player). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Personally, I think the asking price for Jagr should be less than a 2nd rounder. He's very clearly a rental with no attachment for any particular team at this point in his career. Despite his pedigree, he would be a supporting cast player, not playing in the role they've given him in NJ, where their line-up is weak. To me, he's worth a 3rd rounder, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MergenTatara Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 We "are" a contender. . You know what, er... let's see when the playoffs start. In the meantime, just focus on not giving charity points to the Oilers and Leafs . Don't squander the games in hand over Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 The Dallas Stars have acquired goaltender Jhonas Enroth from the Buffalo Sabres in a trade for goaltender Anders Lindback and a conditional third-round pick in the 2016 NHL Draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetII Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Just as a perspective comparison. Our cost to get Kane might have looked something like this: To Winnipeg: Emelin, Parenteau ($2M retained salary), McCarron, Andrighetto, 1st round 2015 To Montreal: Kane, Bogosian, Blomqvist I would probably be okay with that. Emelin could be replaced with any D-man who isn't Subban, Markov or Beaulieu, but I would imagine they want someone with a little experience and term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfoundlandHab Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 According to Hockey Central Twitter, and now many other Twitter sources, MLSE has approved a major Leafs rebulid. Dion Phaneuf and Phil Kessel are not in the teams plans. No one is untouchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfoundlandHab Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Also, Marc Bergavin was seen speaking in public with Craig MacTavish of EDM. The two are now sitting together watching the Oilers morning skate. Possibly nothing, possibly something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 According to Hockey Central Twitter, and now many other Twitter sources, MLSE has approved a major Leafs rebulid. Dion Phaneuf and Phil Kessel are not in the teams plans. No one is untouchable. Well,,,,they won't get much for an overpaid 4th liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetII Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 According to Hockey Central Twitter, and now many other Twitter sources, MLSE has approved a major Leafs rebulid. Dion Phaneuf and Phil Kessel are not in the teams plans. No one is untouchable. Good for Toronto to finally do something right. Kessel is nothing to scoff at, and there will always be room on any team for a player of his caliber. Say what you want, but he produces. That being said, Toronto needs to go in a different direction. Having those vets in the room that are representative of the Leafs' current issues, makes it more difficult to change direction. EOTP had an article for Santorelli as a potential trade target. I would approve of such a rental, but it isn't the kind of addition we should be prioritizing. We need an upgrade, not simply additional depth. Also, Marc Bergavin was seen speaking in public with Craig MacTavish of EDM. The two are now sitting together watching the Oilers morning skate. Possibly nothing, possibly something. I won't get too excited. Bergevin will probably be spotted with many GMs leading up to the deadline. What is interesting, is that we have things the Oilers desperately need. The Oilers have a couple of targets that would no doubt improve our team. The problem being that we need the players the Oilers would be wise to target, possibly more than the potential return. Edmonton could use a player like Gallagher, but I don't think we can afford to move him due to our RW depth. I could see Eller, DLR, Sekac, Plekanec, Emelin, Beaulieu, Tokarski, or Fucale being dealt to Edmonton, with either Eberle or Yakupov coming back. Petry or Ference could be possibilities as well, I believe they would be rentals however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 According to Hockey Central Twitter, and now many other Twitter sources, MLSE has approved a major Leafs rebulid. Dion Phaneuf and Phil Kessel are not in the teams plans. No one is untouchable. There are some players on the leafs Id have interest in but to be honest, probably not any of the big names. I think they would want too much for them. Id be most interested in guys like Nylander or Leivo but obviously if they are in rebuild they arent giving up those guys. Kadri still interests me & you have to think his value is super low right now. Also, Marc Bergavin was seen speaking in public with Craig MacTavish of EDM. The two are now sitting together watching the Oilers morning skate. Possibly nothing, possibly something. They could just be friends. they played together in St. Louis for a little while. But yeah, I still think there's an opportunity there. Id be shocked if MB hasnt at least enquired about Yakupov. You dont let that opportunity go without at least kicking the tires. Good for Toronto to finally do something right. Kessel is nothing to scoff at, and there will always be room on any team for a player of his caliber. Say what you want, but he produces. That being said, Toronto needs to go in a different direction. Having those vets in the room that are representative of the Leafs' current issues, makes it more difficult to change direction. I tend to agree. I dont want a guy like Kessel or Phaneuf on our team right now simply because we have a nice balance but under the right circumstances you have to think he could make most teams better. I could see Eller, DLR, Sekac, Plekanec, Emelin, Beaulieu, Tokarski, or Fucale being dealt to Edmonton, with either Eberle or Yakupov coming back. Petry or Ference could be possibilities as well, I believe they would be rentals however. I agree with what you are saying although to be honest I would be shocked if MB moved Beaulieu, Sekac or DLR. He just does not like moving youngsters. Eller and Plekanec would also be highly unlikely because of MT's dependence on them as our defensive stalwarts. I could actually see MB being most inclined (despite MT's usage) to move DD - although I think Eller or Plekanec would be of much greater interest to the Oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 From TSN: Trade Bait: Potentially on the Move Player 1. Antoine Vermette,,,,, (ARZ),,, C,,,, 32,,,, $3.75M,,,, 55,,, 12 ,,,,,34 2. Cody Franson ,,,,,,,,,,(TOR),,, D,,,, 27,,,, $3.3M,,,,,, 53,,,,, 6,,,,,,32 3. Andrej Sekera ,,,,,,,,,,(CAR),,, D,,,, 28,,,, $2.75M,,,, 50,,,,, 2,,,,, 18 4. Daniel Winnik ,,,,,,,,,,,(TOR),,, LW, 29 ,,,,$1.3M,,,,,, 53 ,,,,,5,,,,, 22 5. Mike Santorelli,,,,,,,,, (TOR) ,,,C/RW,, 29,,,, $1.5M,,, 55 ,,,11,,,, 29 6. Chris Stewart,,,,,,,,,,, (BUF) ,,,,RW,,,,, 27 ,,,$4.15M,, 53,,,, 9,,,,, 22 7. Zbynek Michalek ,,,,,(ARZ),,,,, D,,,,,,, 32,,,, $4M,,,,,,, 51,,,, 2,,,,,, 8 8. Chris Neil ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,(OTT)*,,,, RW ,,,35 ,,,,$1.9M,,, 36,,,,, 4,,,,,, 7 9. Cam Atkinson,,,,,,,,,,, (CBJ),,,, RW ,,,,25,,,, $1.150M,, 48 ,,,11,,,, 21 10. Ryan O'Reilly ,,,,,,,,,,(COL)*,,, C ,,,,,,24,,,,, $6M,,,,,,,, 54 ,,,10,,,, 29 * Under contract past 2014-15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Kessel would be good on any good team provided he played with offense capable and defensively responsible line mates. The Laffs suck and Kessel is just moping about waiting for a ticket out of town. I don't think I'd want him at a cap hit of 8 mil until 2018/19. Not sure the Habs would want to pay his salary of 10 mil, 9, 9, 7 for the next 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetII Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 I agree with what you are saying although to be honest I would be shocked if MB moved Beaulieu, Sekac or DLR. He just does not like moving youngsters. Eller and Plekanec would also be highly unlikely because of MT's dependence on them as our defensive stalwarts. I could actually see MB being most inclined (despite MT's usage) to move DD - although I think Eller or Plekanec would be of much greater interest to the Oil. I would be disappointed as well, but I think it would take at least 1 of those players to land either Yakupov or Eberle. Any center we trade for an at least equal value RW would likely be a win for us. (Eller for Yakupov, or Plekanec for Eberle, would look better for our overall lineup, even if we consider our players to be better currently.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfoundlandHab Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Just posted this in the Rumours thread, but it belongs here too. Pierre LeBrun on TSN690: "Marc Bergevin is more focused on a hockey deal than he is on a rental deal. I'm not sure if there's a GM making more phone calls right now than him." "I think in a perfect world, Montreal is looking to add both a piece up front and on defence before March 2nd." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 12, 2015 Report Share Posted February 12, 2015 Just posted this in the Rumours thread, but it belongs here too. Pierre LeBrun on TSN690: "Marc Bergevin is more focused on a hockey deal than he is on a rental deal. I'm not sure if there's a GM making more phone calls right now than him." "I think in a perfect world, Montreal is looking to add both a piece up front and on defence before March 2nd." They're also saying that Eller and Emelin's name are being floated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Oilers scribe is saying that Jeff Petry is available. 6'3,,200#, D, shoots right, 27 yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Well, apparently we're a "contender"... I'm not so sure, but if we want to be, Bergevin will probably have to acquire something leading up to the deadline. I saw on TSN.ca McKenzie has mentioned Eller and Emelin being available. But doesn't Emelin have some sort of "no" clause? A no-trade or a no-movement...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Well, apparently we're a "contender"... I'm not so sure, but if we want to be, Bergevin will probably have to acquire something leading up to the deadline. I think despite how we've played against crap teams the fact we a) are top team in the east and b ) manage to compete well against good teams makes us appear to be a contending team. That and the fact we were final 4 last year. I saw on TSN.ca McKenzie has mentioned Eller and Emelin being available. But doesn't Emelin have some sort of "no" clause? A no-trade or a no-movement...? Emelin has a full no trade clause for 2 years i think (then its partial). I just dont see Bergevin shopping Eller. Im not saying he wouldnt move him if the other team wanted him in return & the deal was strong, but MT relies so heavily on Eller for all defensive situations I cant see Bergevin being able to fill that hole easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetII Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I think despite how we've played against crap teams the fact we a) are top team in the east and b ) manage to compete well against good teams makes us appear to be a contending team. That and the fact we were final 4 last year. Emelin has a full no trade clause for 2 years i think (then its partial). I just dont see Bergevin shopping Eller. Im not saying he wouldnt move him if the other team wanted him in return & the deal was strong, but MT relies so heavily on Eller for all defensive situations I cant see Bergevin being able to fill that hole easily. De La Rose has been getting a look in that regard. It's possible we are considering replacing Eller with DLR. It would free some cap space to move Eller as well if we are considering taking on salary somewhere else. If that is indeed the case, DLR has been looking pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewfoundlandHab Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I dont see us using JDLR as our primary shutdown center yet. He's only played a few games. However, what if we were to acquire a winger and move Chucky back to center and use Pleks in more of a defensive role again. We could then have Chucky-DD-Plaks-DLR/Malholtra down the middle. This would only be if the trade for Eller was for a scoring winger or physical D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
careypricefan Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Hearing the Habs are very high on Yakupov... http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/New-Rumor-Update-On-Yakupov-Petry-Del-Zotto-Bergenheim-Franson/1/66367 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Hearing the Habs are very high on Yakupov... http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/New-Rumor-Update-On-Yakupov-Petry-Del-Zotto-Bergenheim-Franson/1/66367 "Extremely high" on Yakupov eh? Seems like MB is looking long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Hearing the Habs are very high on Yakupov... http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/New-Rumor-Update-On-Yakupov-Petry-Del-Zotto-Bergenheim-Franson/1/66367 yeah, i dont trust Eklund but there's definitely been a lot of reports that have tied us to Yak. The fact MB and MacT were friends/teammates could help but im really curious what we'd be giving up to get him. Im absolutely positive that Edmonton would want a centre in return (after RNH that team is horrible down the middle) and they probably are most interested in Eller. Wonder what MB is thinking in terms of who is expendable. Hey, maybe they want Malholtra?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetII Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I dont see us using JDLR as our primary shutdown center yet. He's only played a few games. However, what if we were to acquire a winger and move Chucky back to center and use Pleks in more of a defensive role again. We could then have Chucky-DD-Plaks-DLR/Malholtra down the middle. This would only be if the trade for Eller was for a scoring winger or physical D. That would be my preference if Eller were to be moved. Plekanec and Galchenyuk are running about even, but Plekanec is more suited to the role. It would feel like pigeon-holing Plekanec, but would make a better line-up overall. Of course it would end up being Desharnais - Galchenyuk - Plekanec - DLR/Malhotra. --- Yakupov would be a decent acquisition provided he pans out. I would love to see a line of Sekac - Galchenyuk - Yakupov giving other teams fits with their ability to break through defenses and control the puck. Could be deadly if they found chemistry with each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Yakupov would be a decent acquisition provided he pans out. I would love to see a line of Sekac - Galchenyuk - Yakupov giving other teams fits with their ability to break through defenses and control the puck. Could be deadly if they found chemistry with each other. Yeah, woudl love that line. But, if you're putting those guys out together I worry about the line with DD at the helm. Plekanec's line would be strong defensively but im assumign you'd want to give the aforementioned line lots of offensive zone minutes so that means what, DD has to play a 2 way game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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