jennifer_rocket Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Anaheim's worst possession forward. Well, he'll fit right in. *ZING* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Well, he'll fit right in. *ZING* Always the bright side, eh, JR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Which is fine if you're trading DD for S-P but Sekac is actually a bigger player & while he doesnt hit much, he's very strong on the puck. trade DD? lol can't seeing that happening any time soon. It s really hard to fathom why they made this trade. It's not like the brass would be sitting around this morning and said " Hey, you know what we need? another faceless average gritty Canadian grown forward" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musicalhab Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I look forward to seeing a hard hitting forward in our lineuo, will miss Jiri though, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Its really hard to fathom why they made this trade. It's not like the brass would be sitting around this morning and said " Hey, you know what we need? another faceless average gritty Canadian grown forward" To be fair to Smith-Pelly he was highly touted (high 2nd round pick) and at age 22 could still get better. I frankly have no problem acquiring him I just do not like the fact that we gave up Sekac to do so. I would have rather done a 1-for-1 with Bournival although I doubt anaheim had interest. It makes you wonder if there was something we weren't privy to: ie maybe Sekac was unhappy or regretted signing here and privately asked to be traded. Who knows. If thats the case (ie he wanted to be traded) you probably couldnt have gotten much more for him at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff33 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 To be fair to Smith-Pelly he was highly touted (high 2nd round pick) and at age 22 could still get better. I frankly have no problem acquiring him I just do not like the fact that we gave up Sekac to do so. I would have rather done a 1-for-1 with Bournival although I doubt anaheim had interest. It makes you wonder if there was something we weren't privy to: ie maybe Sekac was unhappy or regretted signing here and privately asked to be traded. Who knows. If thats the case (ie he wanted to be traded) you probably couldnt have gotten much more for him at this point. I have to think you are onto something. Therrien clearly did not like this guy. I feel like its either 1. he has an attitude problem 2. therrien just simply doesn't like him and he was fed up of getting the shaft from the coach and maybe the 2 go hand in hand. my initial feeling was anger as I have been frustrated all year by our refusal to put this guy in a position to not even succeed for himself but for the team. we can't score for beans yet we have this really dynamic offensive player who can skate deke and shoot and we never use him on the top lines or PP, and furthermore demote the guy randomly. the eye test shows he is one of our most purely skilled forwards and he is going to be a good one for a long time in the NHL if he wants to be on the other hand when we got dale weise i was like who? why?? I don't watch ANA games so I will reserve judgement on what we got back. At least i have heard of this kid before. we'll see how he does but I am not happy we gave up on sekac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetII Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Right Wing -- shoots L Born Jun 14 1992 -- Scarborough, ONT[22 yrs. ago] Height 6.00 -- Weight 222 [183 cm/101 kg] Typo or bad source? (Don't know if anyone noticed yet) You can see he's a right-handed shot in the videos. Sekac: Dynamic player with speed, hands, puck control and strong on his skates. I spent a good 30-40 seconds one game just marveling at how crisp his starts and stops were when playing defensively. He is eventually going to learn when moving the puck is better than keeping it, and will be a quality all-round player in someone's top 6. Smith-Pelly: Can be a complimentary physical winger with secondary production. He needs to develop consistency in his game, doing the things that make him successful with more frequency. Could be better than Bourque in his more successful years. His staying power depends on his attitude and work ethic. Anaheim wins this trade, as they are getting the player who is currently more complete, more skilled, and has a higher ceiling. Montreal only comes out on top if it works out for them in the long run, or DSP proves to be a piece of a larger puzzle with a cascade effect on the roster now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzzsaba Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I watched Smith Pelly play live at a game when he was with the Mississauga Steelheads (OHL). He had a few goals in that game and played a great game. What I remembered was his willingness to go to the tough spots. He is a big bodied guy that if he gets going, can do a lot of damage. When I saw him play that day, I said to myself wouldn't it be nice if the habs picked him up! And here he is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kindred Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 To be fair to Smith-Pelly he was highly touted (high 2nd round pick) and at age 22 could still get better. I frankly have no problem acquiring him I just do not like the fact that we gave up Sekac to do so. I would have rather done a 1-for-1 with Bournival although I doubt anaheim had interest. It makes you wonder if there was something we weren't privy to: ie maybe Sekac was unhappy or regretted signing here and privately asked to be traded. Who knows. If thats the case (ie he wanted to be traded) you probably couldnt have gotten much more for him at this point. I have no problem with the trade either, like you i wish we didn't give up on Sekac to do it. If you had asked me what would be one of the best additions the team could have before the trade deadline I would have probably said " A forward he can help with secondary scoring" A forward that can hit alot would have been near the bottom of my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honuhab Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 DSP is the kind of physical and gritty forward that we don't have currently. The version we have now is 5 inches and 30 lbs on the wrong side of the fence but is lionhearted. He has potential worth in the playoff grind especially as we get into the deeper rounds. I too hate to see Sekac go but MT wasn't willing to give him the opportunity to fulfill his potential. Long term I think Ducks will do better in this trade but for now we have the kind of power forward to play in the dirty areas that has been sorely missing. Hey at least he can't be worse than Rene Bourque right??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Looks like we finally got a good size net presence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Like the Kristo-for-Thomas trade, this seems to be a lateral move at best and has a decent chance of becoming a downright terrible trade. Smith-Pelly is by no means a bad player and he's by no means a guy who's not welcome here. I think he can be a solid addition to the bottom 6, but the problem is that he's just that: a bottom 6 forward. He's a Dale Weise or Brandon Prust type player with a marginally better offensive upside but who doesn't look good enough to crack the top 6. Sekac, on the other hand, has a much higher offensive ceiling and his point totals don't do justice to the offensive skill he has shown so far this year. I really believe Sekac could have been a top 6 winger here, on a team where we specifically lack 1-2 top 6 offensive wingers. So why did we make this trade? One word: Therrien. In an interview, Marc Bergevin stated that he felt the need to move Sekac because Therrien "didn't feel comfortable using him." A GM doesn't go to great lengths to bring a highly-coveted player over from Europe, see him play reasonably well despite getting unfavorable minutes from his coach, and then dump him halfway through his first season. Sekac wasn't a mistake signing. You can argue he was used incorrectly, you can argue he was a project, but both of those things are issues you try to correct and allow to improve with time. They're not things you throw the towel in over. So, as Bergevin stated, the trade was made because the coach didn't like the fit. The coach, whose team is near the bottom of the league for shots, goals, scoring chances, and puck possession, didn't like a player with offensive skill and instead preferred to have the player who in his own words is "hard to play against." The bottom line is that this is not the first time this has happened, whereby MB has tried to fill the team with skill and Therrien has refused to use it properly. We saw Briere shoved to the 4th line. We've seen his replacement Parenteau suffer a similar fate. We've seen Eller and Sekac given checking line roles and then hounded for not producing. We've seen Beaulieu and Diaz and Gilbert pushed down the depth chart in favor of "tough-to-play-against" players like Bouillon, Murray, Weaver, Emelin, and Allen. It's not an isolated case. It's a pandemic resulting from a coach who doesn't know how to employ skilled players properly. The trade honestly sickens me. Maybe DSP has a good year one year and pots 15-20 goals. It could happen. But I could honestly see Sekac scoring 25-30 in Anaheim, and Francois Gagnon of RDS has stated this trade has the feel of what we saw when John LeClair was let go and blossomed into a great scorer in Philly. I am fed up of the Habs giving up talent for grit. I am fed up of the Habs continuing to employ a coach who is running the talent we have into the ground in favor of toughness and character. This trade is just another example of why Therrien should have been fired long ago, before he was allowed to inflict permanent damage upon this organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Typo or bad source? (Don't know if anyone noticed yet) You can see he's a right-handed shot in the videos. Sekac: Dynamic player with speed, hands, puck control and strong on his skates. I spent a good 30-40 seconds one game just marveling at how crisp his starts and stops were when playing defensively. He is eventually going to learn when moving the puck is better than keeping it, and will be a quality all-round player in someone's top 6. Smith-Pelly: Can be a complimentary physical winger with secondary production. He needs to develop consistency in his game, doing the things that make him successful with more frequency. Could be better than Bourque in his more successful years. His staying power depends on his attitude and work ethic. I agree with much of your assessment above but not below: Anaheim wins this trade, as they are getting the player who is currently more complete, more skilled, and has a higher ceiling. Montreal only comes out on top if it works out for them in the long run, or DSP proves to be a piece of a larger puzzle with a cascade effect on the roster now. As of right now, I think most believe that Montreal wins the trade. They have a more seasoned, complete player - right now. I still think Sekac may have a higher ceiling, but he has to get there first and despite his strong board work and skill-set he hasn't proven he can do that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 As of right now, I think most believe that Montreal wins the trade. If the TSNs/CBCs/Sportsnets of the world think we won the trade, I'm fairly sure we lost it resoundingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Always the bright side, eh, JR? You gotta look on the bright side when your team is giving away potential offensive talents for grit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsisme Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I think DSP is better than cakes RIGHT NOW and fits our team better too. In the long run, I think it's likely to be a wash but has a significant chance to be a disaster. Let's see DSP in action first, I see too many post writing him off as a bottom 6 and I'm just not sure that's the case. I'm not happy, I'm downright concerned about this trade, but I'm curious to see cause I think we might be surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I believe, if Sekac is given the chance in Anaheim, it will be impossible for him not to start racking up points. If he's going to get a chance with Perry or Getzlaf... Well, he's going to pickup assists and goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I think DSP is better than cakes RIGHT NOW and fits our team better too. You're almost certainly right, which is more than slightly worrying. How well he plays might not actually matter very much. We've seen Therrien consistently overestimate and misuse players like Smith-Pelly, no matter how bad the results are. How long was Dale Weise on the first line? How many chances was Murray given to the clear detriment of the team? Malholtra is dressed tonight. And so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 The way I see it, is that they are 2 very different players. Cakes was not used properly here, and we have DLR that can take Cakes place. Devante, is more of a "lesser" power forward, much like Weise, but with less speed. Now,,, the way I see it, is that Smyth-Pelly brings a hitting game, and IMO, we needed that if we are to go far in the POs. Just a quick check on which teams (currently in POs) in the east do the hitting, here's what I found out. Hits Rags over 5 players with hits over 100 Isles,,,8 players with 100 hits or more,,, (Martin,, 303, Clutterbuck,,256) TB,,,3 player with 100 or more hits Wings 1, with more than 100 hits ruins, 3 with over 100 hits Puffs,,,6 with over 100 hits Pitts,, 6 with over 100 hits Habs,,, 2 (now 3) with over 100 hits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetII Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 I agree with much of your assessment above but not below: As of right now, I think most believe that Montreal wins the trade. They have a more seasoned, complete player - right now. I still think Sekac may have a higher ceiling, but he has to get there first and despite his strong board work and skill-set he hasn't proven he can do that yet. That's a fair opinion as well. I realize I'm out-voted by the media to begin with. I personally believe that Sekac's skill-set already outweighs DSP's, and that the gap will only widen over time. If DSP were exceptional at something that might elevate him above the expectations of a Prust, Artyukhin, Umberger, etc. Then I could lean more in that direction. The only thing I see a lot of emphasis on in regards to DSP, is hitting. You don't need to give up skilled, young, talented forwards to get that. I believe, if Sekac is given the chance in Anaheim, it will be impossible for him not to start racking up points. If he's going to get a chance with Perry or Getzlaf... Well, he's going to pickup assists and goals. I think it will start out that way, but it won't be long before Sekac becomes a driving force on such a line. Right now, the one thing he doesn't do well, is dish the puck. Give him linemates that know how to find the holes he will inevitably create, and get him accustomed to passing to those linemates, and he will be dangerous. --- If this was indeed a Therrien driven trade, that's one more in the "con" column for this coach. If we are going to trade players he refuses to use properly, we are going to be hurting for talent before too long, and Eller might as well start packing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted February 24, 2015 Report Share Posted February 24, 2015 Just a quick check on which teams (currently in POs) in the east do the hitting, here's what I found out. On the same course, though, let's look at the top 5 and bottom 5 teams ranked in possession: 1. Los Angeles - 9 players with 100+ 2. Chicago - 1 player with 100+ 3. Detroit - 1 player with 100+ 4. Tampa - 3 players with 100+ 5. NY Islanders - 8 players with 100+ 26. Toronto - 7 players with 100+ 27. Columbus - 7 players with 100+ 28. Calgary - 3 players with 100+ 29. Colorado - 6 players with 100+ 30. Buffalo - 5 players with 100+ I really don't think hits are the kind of thing we need to be worrying about at the moment, or going forward. Any impact they have—positive or negative—is likely to be lost in the noise. Unless a particularly poorly timed/executed hit leads to a game-losing goal or penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Jiri Sekac interviewed in Anaheim, basically saying 1. He didn't know what role he was supposed to be playing in Montreal 2. He found it hard always having his linemates changed 3. It's hard to develop confidence when your coach treats you like that Basically what we've been saying all along about Therrien, but now confirmed by yet another ex-player that Therrien's line juggling and favoritism are not appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Regis2 Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I guess Eller is next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColRouleBleu Posted February 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I get that Bergevin may have traded Sekac based on Therrien not being comfortable playing him. However, I seriously doubt that it's as simple as Therrien saying 'I'm not comfortable playing this guy, you should trade him' then have Bergevin saying "OK done". I think that MB listens to what the coaches have to say but not without asking explanations so whatever Therrien's reasons were, Bergevin agrees with them otherwise I'm sure he'd have pushed back and asked to find a way to resolve the issues, whatever they are. Since he's come on board, Bergevin has stated many times that he likes to get input from his management/coaching team but that in the end, he's the one making the decision. So befor egoing all gong ho (again) towards Therrien, perhaps keep this in mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegasrick Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 Egads. Giving up on Sekac? Already??? I don't like that. Smith-Pelly might be a "good fit" here, but only because the "puzzle" is driven by the coach. Sekac, in my opinion, could fit anywhere. Anywhere but in an MT "system" apparently. I see McDonagh v. 2.0 here. I personally think Sekac is the real deal. But hey.....we're just the lowest-scoring playoff team out of all of them. We don't need no stinkin' goal scorers! We need grit! GRIT!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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