HabsRuleForever Posted September 10, 2015 Report Share Posted September 10, 2015 Marc Bergevin Executive Vice President and General Manager Larry CarrièreAssistant General Manager Rick DudleySenior vice president, hockey operations Trevor TimminsVice President of player personnel and Director of Amateur Scouting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Bergevin did an interview with Bob McKenzie. A few takeaway points from this: 1. Bergevin says the #1 thing that needs to improve is the PP and that we have the personnel to make it work but need better chemistry out there (I think this is a true statement, but it really puts the blame/onus on the coaches to make it work better). 2. Pacioretty should be on track to be in the line-up for the season opener, although it's still up in the air. 3. He doesn't know how the team will do if Price "only has a spectacular season but takes a step back." He also acknowledged that we had the fewest injuries of any team last year and that a lot of our success was because we had out of this world goaltending and were healthy. Again, nice to see MB show he recognizes this and that it wasn't much to do with the rest of the team or the coaching. 4. He stated Plekanec is an important part of the team and does a lot of little things but won't talk contracts and say whether he wants to re-sign him or not. 5. Fleischmann's chances of making the team depend more on whether young guys are ready rather than the Pacioretty status. 6. The bad news... MB says "we have a recipe that works so there's no reason to change it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 6. The bad news... MB says "we have a recipe that works so there's no reason to change it." Great. We get hot dogs every game night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetII Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Bergevin did an interview with Bob McKenzie. A few takeaway points from this: 1. Bergevin says the #1 thing that needs to improve is the PP and that we have the personnel to make it work but need better chemistry out there (I think this is a true statement, but it really puts the blame/onus on the coaches to make it work better). 2. Pacioretty should be on track to be in the line-up for the season opener, although it's still up in the air. 3. He doesn't know how the team will do if Price "only has a spectacular season but takes a step back." He also acknowledged that we had the fewest injuries of any team last year and that a lot of our success was because we had out of this world goaltending and were healthy. Again, nice to see MB show he recognizes this and that it wasn't much to do with the rest of the team or the coaching. 4. He stated Plekanec is an important part of the team and does a lot of little things but won't talk contracts and say whether he wants to re-sign him or not. 5. Fleischmann's chances of making the team depend more on whether young guys are ready rather than the Pacioretty status. 6. The bad news... MB says "we have a recipe that works so there's no reason to change it." 1. PP improvement would help, but again, I don't like depending on a situation that you may not end up in. Especially when the rules change in the playoffs and power plays become harder to get. I would rather see 5 on 5 possession as #1 on his list of things to improve. The PP could be improved, at least marginally, by putting the right combinations of players on the ice. 3. Good to see he isn't delusional! 6. Darn. He is delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 1. PP improvement would help, but again, I don't like depending on a situation that you may not end up in. Especially when the rules change in the playoffs and power plays become harder to get. I would rather see 5 on 5 possession as #1 on his list of things to improve. The PP could be improved, at least marginally, by putting the right combinations of players on the ice. 3. Good to see he isn't delusional! 6. Darn. He is delusional. I agree. Possession should be #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 3. Good to see he isn't delusional! 6. Darn. He is delusional. Not so much a question of whether he's delusional or not, but it's a little disheartening to see that he recognizes all sorts of problems we have then concludes by saying we don't need to change anything because the results we have show we're doing well. The problem with this is that our GM and coach are both evaluating our team by past results instead of the process that got us to them, and the process is what predicts future results more reliably. Bergevin has pretty much admitted it will be difficult to reproduce our team health and for Carey to reproduce his outstanding results, so it will take a lot of improvement in other areas to compensate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 MB to have a presser around noon est. today. TSN radio will carry it. BTW, Ticker is not on the ice,,,,, so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 He didn't sound impressed with the Kassian situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 He didn't sound impressed with the Kassian situation. Understatement, for sure. MB gave him a chance and he let MB down. I would imagine that Zack is on a very short leash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckPundit Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Kassian out of action for a long time . I'm more concerned about the substance abuse therapy, rather than the accident injury. It's going to leave a RW hole on the 3rd line. His Habs career could even end before it's even started. Say what you like, but IMHO Kassian > Weise, DSP, Andrighetto or whichever grinder to plug the RW. MB might have just lost the 'pick-my-junk-for cheap' gamble this time . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Kassian out of action for a long time . I'm more concerned about the substance abuse therapy, rather than the accident injury. It's going to leave a RW hole on the 3rd line. His Habs career could even end before it's even started. Say what you like, but IMHO Kassian > Weise, DSP, Andrighetto or whichever grinder to plug the RW. MB might have just lost the 'pick-my-junk-for cheap' gamble this time . Id agree that a habs lineup with Kassian is most likely better than one without him but we've made some good strides this summer and, assuming MT can keep our top 6 in tact the way it has been this preseason, i think we can absorb the loss. We have two very talented top 2 lines right now, and a better than average bottom 6. Hopefully Kassian comes back soon and with a new perspective on life. We shall see. Maybe he'll have a clearer head & finally get to the level Buffalo and vancouver thought he would earlier in his career. The guy has oodles of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Regis2 Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Dissapointed in MB with the Kassian trade He talks about character then trades for ZK And according to MT the HAbs were aware of his issues . Probably explains why he couldn't stay on in Buffalo and Vancouver https://twitter.com/StuCowan1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw coach Michel Therrien says club was aware of Zack Kassian's situation with NHL substance-abuse program. He is now in Stage 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habberwacky Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 The optics for young players who have dedicated their careers to this organization is not good. If I am his teammate I am not sure how much patience I would have with this distraction. The fans are crying for a cup and performance from all involved, and this is not helping anyone reach that goal. How long do we wait for Kassian to get his act together while others get sent down. I had no problem with giving him a shot before this but now am not so sure. As for not being the driver, I am not sure all the evidence is in on that although I hope his claim is true. But he has already thrown his teammates under the bus and is no rookie. Unfortunately his trade value no longer exists and the first of Bergevin's 3 gambles ( or low risk acquisitions) appears to be a bust. No offence to Kassian and his situation but it isn't easy to deal with these problems under the spotlight in Montreal and he will have no place to hide. Got Prust? Okay got Byron who I have watched a lot out west. He plays big out here and may be a bonus as if ZK was still here this might not have happenned. Got to take the positive with the negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 The acquisition of Kassian, Semin and Fleischmann were considered low-risk/potential good rewards, I personally choose to look at it as more wasted time with problem-player projects (specifically in the cases of Kassian and Semin) where further development of players within the Habs system takes the hit. Fleischmann has been a bit of a success, but not much more than that IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWelly Posted October 30, 2015 Report Share Posted October 30, 2015 I still like the trades so far. I like how DSP is playing this year but still think in the long run Sekac is going to be the better player, but that's past. Kassian is young and still can be a good player. I hope he comes out of treatment and is givin a good chance. I thought the Edmonton game was one of Semins better efforts. I think he can still work out. I like Fleischmann. Where he is being used is working great and he also helps kill penaties. If Semin doesn't come back in which I hope he does and would like to DSP tried with Eller/Chucky. I don't see any of the "kids" fully able to replace these guys yet. I would rather have them be patient than to rush the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 I wonder how Bergevin feels regarding the off-season acquisitions of Semin and Kassian at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekHockeyCoach Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 I wonder how Bergevin feels regarding the off-season acquisitions of Semin and Kassian at this point? Semin hasn't been a total bust. I still feel that if given a chance he could surprise. He should have done more research on Kassian though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Semin hasn't been a total bust. I still feel that if given a chance he could surprise. He should have done more research on Kassian though. Agreed on Semin. I still don't see Kassian as being a bad trade though. Prust was an older player making more money on a longer contract. He had had some run-ins with the officials including one last year that made you wonder if refs would start penalizing him more just for calling one of their colleagues out. Because Kassian had a previous warning with the league (the reason he was suspended for breaking his agreement), Bergevin had to have known about his issues before. I think he simply took a risk knowing those issues existed and figured at worst, even if Kassian didn't pan out, he was a one-year experiment with a positive salary dump of Prust. In my view, still a good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted November 2, 2015 Report Share Posted November 2, 2015 Glad we have this GM. it has been years in fact a couple of decades since we have been this strong and deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Continued from the Semin thread: And just where is Marc Bergevin on all of this? It is up to him to either put his coach on notice or bench him if this continues. Therrien has consistently made Bergevin look bad with acquisitions like Briere/PAP/Sekac and now Semin. As he has final say, he's responsible for it until it's fixed. I understand well that hockey is historically a cautious sport that is extremely resistant to change. However, that isn't how you win anymore. You can't be gun-shy and conservative in leagues with hard salary caps. Mistakes and luck are amplified. If you don't act like tomorrow is now, it might never come. There used to be a phrase in business: Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM. Play it safe and be unremarkable. That's what continuing to go with Therrien is. There's certainly a number of superficially acceptable reasons to take no action. And if the Montreal Canadiens are happy with the status quo of mediocrity and luck despite the fantastic talent on the roster, then the no-risk approach is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Wow! one way to look at it. if this is the status quo I am content with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmeh04 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Fire Therrien. I don't care if we're winning. Hire someone who will coach to our strengths and make good personnel choices/listen to the advanced stats guys. It will matter come playoffs. Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Fire Therrien. I don't care if we're winning. Hire someone who will coach to our strengths and make good personnel choices/listen to the advanced stats guys. It will matter come playoffs. Please? I'll hazard a guess and say your not disappointed Therrien wasn't picked to coach/assist the Canadian team at the World Cup. Your not alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 12-2-1 and we're still calling for the coaches head? Tough room. Not a big MT fan by any means, but let's at least let him lose a few in a row before losing a lot of sleep over roster decisions and ice time allotment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmeh04 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 12-2-1 and we're still calling for the coaches head? Tough room. Not a big MT fan by any means, but let's at least let him lose a few in a row before losing a lot of sleep over roster decisions and ice time allotment. I take your point, but I'd argue the concern about ice time/lines isn't acute, it's chronic...and given I feel like we've "hit the front end of our window" to make good things happen, we now more than ever need a coach who will leverage our skill/strengths in order to afford us every chance to win the Cup. It may seem harsh, but I feel like I've watched Therrien do little beyond hamstring us at every turn over the past couple years, and I'm tired of it. It would be different if things looked different, but I can't say I see any reason to be optimistic - it feels like we're winning games despite our coach, not in part because of him. Given that historically he's not promoted our strengths/synergy, and that he's doing the exact same thing right now while we have probably our best chance at going the distance, I'd prefer to cut ties now and give another coach a chance to get situated, instead of waiting until January. Further, I'd like to not alienate our players off the team. Though I do cede that it would be an easier argument if we were in the middle/bottom of the pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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