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The team needs something of a shake-up. I think it's time to call up a young player to inject some energy into the line-up, and that probably means Hudon or Scherbak, with Hudon being more deserving. Time to get rid of Brian Flynn and David Desharnais, both can be waived to the minors. Time to drop Emelin to the 3rd pairing. And time to give McCarron a bigger role. If we don't have a top line center, why not give the big kid a shot with better linemates, since Mac himself has been playing well but just not getting any support on the 4th line. Carr also needs to be back here in the line-up.

Pacioretty-McCarron-Radulov

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Gallagher

Lehkonen-Danault-Shaw

Andrighetto-Plekanec-Carr

Mitchell as 13th forward.

Maximize the skill, maximize the guys who are playing with speed and energy. It's not the strongest line-up down the middle or in terms of experience, but at this point, the guys we have aren't getting it done. Need to count on the veteran D corps to provide the on-ice leadership for the young guys.

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30 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

The team needs something of a shake-up. I think it's time to call up a young player to inject some energy into the line-up, and that probably means Hudon or Scherbak, with Hudon being more deserving. Time to get rid of Brian Flynn and David Desharnais, both can be waived to the minors. Time to drop Emelin to the 3rd pairing. And time to give McCarron a bigger role. If we don't have a top line center, why not give the big kid a shot with better linemates, since Mac himself has been playing well but just not getting any support on the 4th line. Carr also needs to be back here in the line-up.

Pacioretty-McCarron-Radulov

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Gallagher

Lehkonen-Danault-Shaw

Andrighetto-Plekanec-Carr

Mitchell as 13th forward.

Maximize the skill, maximize the guys who are playing with speed and energy. It's not the strongest line-up down the middle or in terms of experience, but at this point, the guys we have aren't getting it done. Need to count on the veteran D corps to provide the on-ice leadership for the young guys.

I agree with the top 2 lines, the bottom 2 lines are a mix and match,,,,, but where is Byron? Methinks you would need Byron for the PK. 

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40 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Pacioretty-McCarron-Radulov

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Gallagher

Lehkonen-Danault-Shaw

Andrighetto-Plekanec-Carr

Mitchell as 13th forward.

when I look at these lines I think to myself these guys hi lighted are small or they play small .

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^^ kinot, toss-up between Byron or Ghetto for 4th line LW right now. I did forget to include Byron as an extra forward, but given his struggles currently, would try Ghetto on the 4th line first for now

^^ regis, yes, many of these guys are small, that's just the players we have. I don't think Galchenyuk or Lehkonen are or play small though. Neither guy hits a ton, but they shield the puck well, they go through traffic, and they're both 6 feet or over. Danault, Shaw, Carr, and healthy Gallagher also play through the dirty areas. Yes, we lack a great power forward in that bottom 9, but I don't think we're any better-served by having Desharnais, Byron, Flynn, and Mitchell in there, and those are the guys I cut out. I'd personally prefer to see McCarron, Hudon, Ghetto, and Carr in the line-up over the 4 I removed right now. Top 6 needs a burst of energy and creativity, hence the inclusion of Hudon (who has lit it up in the AHL for three years now and has 18 goals there in 34 games this season). The Danault line I proposed had great success earlier this year. And I'll take Plekanec, Ghetto, and Carr as a 4th line over checkers or grinders on other teams despite their size. 

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12 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

The team needs something of a shake-up. I think it's time to call up a young player to inject some energy into the line-up, and that probably means Hudon or Scherbak, with Hudon being more deserving. Time to get rid of Brian Flynn and David Desharnais, both can be waived to the minors. Time to drop Emelin to the 3rd pairing. And time to give McCarron a bigger role. If we don't have a top line center, why not give the big kid a shot with better linemates, since Mac himself has been playing well but just not getting any support on the 4th line. Carr also needs to be back here in the line-up.

Pacioretty-McCarron-Radulov

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Gallagher

Lehkonen-Danault-Shaw

Andrighetto-Plekanec-Carr

Mitchell as 13th forward.

Maximize the skill, maximize the guys who are playing with speed and energy. It's not the strongest line-up down the middle or in terms of experience, but at this point, the guys we have aren't getting it done. Need to count on the veteran D corps to provide the on-ice leadership for the young guys.

I quite like this idea.

I wonder what Julien will do to respond. Its a very tenuous line he has to walk because he has a whole bunch of players who seem completely shell-shocked. They have no confidence & he somehow has to come in & fix that.   Maybe giving some young guys the chance to play, while still giving the core players a reasonable role and ice time is the right solution.  

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Julien is not doing anything different then MT was, that has to change. Would not have been my choice for coach, that is for sure. Time to turn it over to the vets.

Pacioretty  Plekanec Radulov

Lehkonan Galchenyuk Gallagher

Andrghetto Desharnais Shaw

Danault Mitchell  Byron

Would bench Petry for a game as well. His play has been terrible of late. Not popular but would make a point.

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3 hours ago, tony5775 said:

Julien is not doing anything different then MT was, that has to change. Would not have been my choice for coach, that is for sure. Time to turn it over to the vets.

Pacioretty  Plekanec Radulov

Lehkonan Galchenyuk Gallagher

Andrghetto Desharnais Shaw

Danault Mitchell  Byron

Would bench Petry for a game as well. His play has been terrible of late. Not popular but would make a point.

It's funny you see Petry as being the weak link. I think the entire team has been brutal of late, but to me, Markov-Petry has by far been our best pairing since Markov's return. Without a doubt, Emelin-Weber has been our weakest pairing and Emelin especially has been all over the place and beat repeatedly. Petry has had some lacunes defensively but he's still pushing puck movement up ice and generating offence when he's on. With Barberio gone though, I don't see a suitable replacement to bump one of the regular 6 out of the line-up (and I view Pateryn as vastly superior to Nesterov thus far). So to me, the obvious move is to bump Emelin down to 3rd pairing with Pateryn. You can argue for either Markov or Beaulieu being placed with Weber, but with Markov-Petry working so well, I'd say it makes more sense to move Beaulieu there for now rather than disrupt a functional duo.

Of note, Julien today said it was still too early for him to say whether Galchenyuk would be a center or wing long-term and that he also couldn't yet say who would be the best partner for Weber. Basically said he needed more time to figure things out. At practice, Flynn and McCarron were odd men out, with Ghetto and DD joining Mitchell on the 4th line.

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2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Of note, Julien today said it was still too early for him to say whether Galchenyuk would be a center or wing long-term and that he also couldn't yet say who would be the best partner for Weber. Basically said he needed more time to figure things out. .

The GM should have had a  place before they traded for Weber . The season is almost over and no one can figure out who the best partner for Weber is .

They didn't need a partner for " the other guy " , he was mobile and could play with anyone

 

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16 hours ago, Regis22 said:

The GM should have had a  place before they traded for Weber . The season is almost over and no one can figure out who the best partner for Weber is .

They didn't need a partner for " the other guy " , he was mobile and could play with anyone

 

Why not try something really outside the box... Nesterov for example.  it would mean that one of Emelin or Beaulieu sit-out though

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Lots of changes to the parts of the line-up that matter less. This is what I would do if I were Julien:

Pacioretty-Danault-Gallagher

Hudon-Galchenyuk-Radulov

Lehkonen-Plekanec-Shaw

King-Mitchell-McCarron

Byron and Carr as the next forwards in line to play... no real need or room for Flynn, Ott, or Martinsen. Radulov-Pacman has been a great duo, but Galchenyuk-Radulov was just as good. I really believe this team needs to get at least one more line going and that probably means getting Gallagher scoring again. He's not generating anything where he is, so why not try him with Pacioretty and see what that gives? And why not give a young kid with scoring galore in the AHL a chance to do something in the NHL? Hudon can't do any worse offensively than the 6-7 guys who haven't scored in double-digit games and at worst, he could be an energy boost to the top 6.

And on D:

Markov-Weber

Beaulieu-Petry

Davidson-Benn

Emelin

And again, no real need for Nesterov right now.

 

 

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Everybody's main concern is lack of scoring. The common thought was to get a goal scorer, but what if say that player was nabbed, and the problem for our habs was still they're too small, get boxed out, and knocked off the puck, etc? That player wouldn't be too effective. The habs are bigger; with cleared space, players won't have to work as hard to score from high percentage areas and they probably won't be forced to take perimeter shots.  I wonder what the lines will look like now. This is what I would try.

Pacioretty-Danault-Gallagher

Martinsen-Galchenyuk-Radulov  

Lehkonen-Ott-Shaw

King-Mitchell-McCarron

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I think these deal will cause McCarron;s departure until playoff time. I liked the energy we had from the Galchenyuk line last night so I think the bottom lines will the only ones adjusted.

Patches- Dannault-Radulov

Lehkonen-Galchenyuk-Gallagher

Byron-Plekanec-Shaw

Martinsen-Mitchell-King

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Expected lines vs. Preds after deadline day: 

Pacioretty-Danault-Radulov
Lehkonen-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Byron-Plekanec-Shaw
King-McCarron-Mitchell

Couldn't find the D pairings, but I'm presuming the same. Aside from Weber and Emelin, everyone was fairly solid and I don't see them sitting at this time.
That said, if anyone finds out that they are different, please share. 

So after all the tinkering, pretty much the same lineup with King in place of Flynn.

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41 minutes ago, RicochetII said:

Expected lines vs. Preds after deadline day: 

Pacioretty-Danault-Radulov
Lehkonen-Galchenyuk-Gallagher
Byron-Plekanec-Shaw
King-McCarron-Mitchell

Couldn't find the D pairings, but I'm presuming the same. Aside from Weber and Emelin, everyone was fairly solid and I don't see them sitting at this time.
That said, if anyone finds out that they are different, please share. 

So after all the tinkering, pretty much the same lineup with King in place of Flynn.

I would be surprised to see the D pairings change from last game. Highly doubt Davidson is pencilled in

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Up front I think Julien will make things work.  We may not have a ton of top end talent outside of Patches, Chuck and Radu but overall our depth is decent & I think we'll be ok. 

Im still very concerned about the back end.

 

I just dont know how to solve it with what we've got. The problem is who to play left d on the top line.  Emelin cannot be there any longer. Especially as the games matter more and we're heading towards the POs.  Markov in his prime would have been ideal but nowadays its a bit scary - and worse - he just cannot handle those minutes anymore.  He will be useless come playoff time if we keep playing him there.  Beaulieu, on paper, is the right fit but has not shown he can handle it. 

The ideal positions for the players we have are:

--------   - Weber
Markov  - Petry
Beaulieu - Benn

With Emelin, Davidson & Nesterov behind those 5. 


The problem is that no one (other than Markov 3 years ago or Petry playing his off side) can take on that missing role next to Weber. 

IMHO you have 2 options:
1) You put Beau back on that top pairing & say "whatever happens, happens."    We sink or swim with nate. 
2) You go outside the box, leave Markov-Petry as our number two and give Weber a guy like Benn.  It isnt ideal but *maybe* it would work?  He's better than emelin in almost every metric so it couldnt be any worse than what we've seen all year, could it?  

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what was wrong with the canadiens lines at the beginning of the season when they were averaging about four goals a game?

pacioretty-galchenyuk-gallagher

radulov-plecanec-lekhonen etc......

Someone please explain to me why they went away from that??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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3 minutes ago, dave186622 said:

what was wrong with the canadiens lines at the beginning of the season when they were averaging about four goals a game?

pacioretty-galchenyuk-gallagher

radulov-plecanec-lekhonen etc......

Someone please explain to me why they went away from that??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, we were getting a ton of unsustainable puck luck, scoring on a ridiculously high percentage of shots. But i that Danault needs to be off the top line, even though i like him a lot. 

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59 minutes ago, dave186622 said:

how do you switch when you are winning??? and danault definetly needs to be off the top line

Injuries played a role with Chucky and Gally down for a long stretch.  Max started the year cold and pretty much heated up after Dano was moved up. I have to believe CJ is not finished tinkering with lines at this point. We might just see some of those earlier lines reunited. We were getting a ton of secondary scoring earlier from sources like Mitchell and Byron. It's unrealistic to expect them to maintain that pace and they haven't.

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I believe CJ will keep Danault on the top line. He likes to match lines a lot and feels good about it when he has a good two way center on his top line. He even said he wasn't sure if Chucky would end up a center or wing. He is probably the most naturally talented player on the team. Talent alone doesn't automatically make you a center ice man though. Rads/Kovalev/Jagr/Kane and a lot of others have actually thrived being on the wing and not having the extra responsibility. We all want that #1 center and it's natural to want the most gifted guy as it. In todays NHL though teams are all looking for #1 centers to two way players. Players that they can use late in the game defending a lead or going for it and winning important face offs. He may still develop there maybe not though. Last game he did play a couple of shifts on Pleks wing and when there they actually looked good together. I remember Babcock talking about Datsuk and saying he could probably win the Art Ross trophy , but he thought he helped the team more winning the Selkie and still scoring around 30. Even Bowman made Yszerman and Federov play more defensive games (even used Federov on defense sometimes)

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Galchenyuk is the guy you want as top line center when you need to score goals.
Danault may be a safer choice if you are trying not to fall behind on the scoreboard.

I prefer not falling behind on the scoreboard by scoring first (and often).
I wouldn't have as much of a problem with being "safe" if we were scoring more consistently.

We just seem to be trying our best not to fall behind and only using Chucky with Pacioretty or Radulov to bail us out when that fails, which has been too frequent lately. Galchenyuk may not be able to do better on faceoffs, but he can do better in the turnover department. Danault is doing fine, but can't contribute offensively on a consistent basis (he's basically DDD at this point, which stands for Defensive David Desharnais). 

I'd like to see us start with Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Radulov, and then we can go back to Danault if necessary to protect the lead. Rather than react to the score late in the 3rd period.

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