habs_93 Posted July 8, 2016 Report Share Posted July 8, 2016 #67 Max Pacioretty Captain Position: Left Wing Shoots: Left Birthplace: New Canaan, CT, USA Birth date: 20 November 1988 Age: 27 Height: 6' 2" Weight: 213 lbs Drafted by: Montréal Draft Year: 2007 Round 1 (22nd Overall) Archive 2015-16 Stats | Video | NHL.com | Contract Info OwnThePuck HERO Chart (http://ownthepuck.blogspot.com/): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 Looks asleep out there and soft on the puck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted October 16, 2016 Report Share Posted October 16, 2016 3 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said: Looks asleep out there and soft on the puck! Agreed. He has no spark. His performance looks flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Mario Tremblay today saying Pacioretty needs to do more. He gave the example of Andrei Markov getting drilled by Zach Smith last night, and only Brendan Gallagher came to Markov's defence against the bigger player, while Pacioretty just skated by Smith and didn't say or do anything. Benoit Brunet said he was also disappointed by Pacioretty but that he's given up criticizing him for this because he doesn't expect Pacioretty to suddenly become physically involved in games. I would agree with both men to some degree. On the one hand, Pacioretty's role is not to use his size even though he's a bigger player. He's a scorer, and not every big guy needs to be a bruiser. That said, every once in a while, every player needs to show a little bit of emotion and action towards defending their teammates. If Gallagher can step up against a guy 5 inches taller than him, Pacioretty should be able to at least give the guy a shove and get in his face too. Not expecting Pacman to drop the gloves and fight Smith, but at least show you care. Pacioretty has too often not been a pushover when it comes to issues like that, and it's really not very captain-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Lol he's gonna get run out of town next. I really thought Galchenyuk would be the scapegoat but I guess it'll be the captain. Note: I'm not having a go at anyone in the thread, he hasn't played well so far this year and wasn't great last season either, totally reasonable to be disappointed with his performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 2 hours ago, BigTed3 said: Mario Tremblay today saying Pacioretty needs to do more. He gave the example of Andrei Markov getting drilled by Zach Smith last night, and only Brendan Gallagher came to Markov's defence against the bigger player, while Pacioretty just skated by Smith and didn't say or do anything. Benoit Brunet said he was also disappointed by Pacioretty but that he's given up criticizing him for this because he doesn't expect Pacioretty to suddenly become physically involved in games. I would agree with both men to some degree. On the one hand, Pacioretty's role is not to use his size even though he's a bigger player. He's a scorer, and not every big guy needs to be a bruiser. That said, every once in a while, every player needs to show a little bit of emotion and action towards defending their teammates. If Gallagher can step up against a guy 5 inches taller than him, Pacioretty should be able to at least give the guy a shove and get in his face too. Not expecting Pacman to drop the gloves and fight Smith, but at least show you care. Pacioretty has too often not been a pushover when it comes to issues like that, and it's really not very captain-like. FWIW Pacioretty did shove Smith. It wasnt really much but it was a passing push as they went to the benches. A second later Gallagher gave a much more forceful shove, but Patches did make contact first and did say something to smith, it just didnt have much substance behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted October 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 7 hours ago, Noob616 said: Lol he's gonna get run out of town next. I really thought Galchenyuk would be the scapegoat but I guess it'll be the captain. Yeah, I haven't been his biggest fan lately but he's an excellent player on an even better contract. A hypothetical Pacioretty trade is not one we're going to come close to winning. We're either getting the worse player or the worse contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I'm not ready to throw Max under the bus. The fact of the matter is that he's always been a streaky player and nobody can argue he's not great value for his contract. I for one will be patient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 2 hours ago, H_T_L said: I'm not ready to throw Max under the bus. The fact of the matter is that he's always been a streaky player and nobody can argue he's not great value for his contract. I for one will be patient. Bold is very true,,,, and being "streaky" point-wise is also true, but taking shifts or periods off is, to me, unacceptable. He's done it for the last 2 games, except for some shifts. It's unacceptable because it puts added strain and pressure on his line-mates (see Gallagher/Galchenyuk), and might even contribute to MT's line juggling. If Patches doesn't achieve any points in a game or a few games, it doesn't matter, but if he takes shifts or periods off, then it does matter. Being captain of the Montreal Canadiens is not the same as being the captain of AZ, Columbus, Detroit, or any of the other teams. Our captain should be one of the hardest workers on the ice. Despite playing on the top line, and on every PP (6), he has a total of 3 SOG. I want to see more from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 have to wonder if the team is trying to create a broohaha so that either Patches gives up the captaincy or the team can strip it - and give it to Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 2 hours ago, kinot-1 said: Bold is very true,,,, and being "streaky" point-wise is also true, but taking shifts or periods off is, to me, unacceptable. He's done it for the last 2 games, except for some shifts. It's unacceptable because it puts added strain and pressure on his line-mates (see Gallagher/Galchenyuk), and might even contribute to MT's line juggling. If Patches doesn't achieve any points in a game or a few games, it doesn't matter, but if he takes shifts or periods off, then it does matter. Being captain of the Montreal Canadiens is not the same as being the captain of AZ, Columbus, Detroit, or any of the other teams. Our captain should be one of the hardest workers on the ice. Despite playing on the top line, and on every PP (6), he has a total of 3 SOG. I want to see more from him. Yup.....the captain needs to start captaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWelly Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I don't think being Captain you have to stick up physically for everyone. That role is usually a different players role especially not a top scorers role. Saku was never a physical presence. I would like to see him more drive using his speed to the net like we've seen in the past. I do think there is an adjustment period though. Every team now knows that its Chucky's spot to be #1 center this year. It appears he's getting a lot more attention and his job Chucky as the center is to make the plays and get Patches the puck. I've seen several of Chucky's passes picked off or just missing when Patches has been open. I think if they're left together and Chucky learns to break free of tighter checking it will get better for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 Pacioretty is going to look really bad this season and not much of it will be his fault. He's an elite defensive player as evidenced by his penalty killing prowess but that doesn't really matter much at even strength on the wing. It's not Pacioretty's job as a winger to gain control of the puck in the defensive zone, what's supposed to happen is the centers and defensemen are supposed to gain control and move it to a forward in the neutral zone. The problem is the Habs are getting hemmed in their own zone so much and not able to move the puck up the ice during a shift, so Pacioretty can't make much happen on the ice. The systems are just so bad and the only breakout seems to be firing the puck off the glass, that will never work since Pacioretty will never get meaningful possession in the neutral zone and be able to use his skills. He's a ultra elite transition player and an elite scorer and shot generator, but being a winger he's dependent on a defenseman or center retrieving the puck and moving it to him at our own blue line or in the neutral zone. Get Pacioretty (or Gallagher) the puck in the neutral zone and they'll turn it into shots, chances, and goals at a rate higher than 99% of players in the NHL. If your team's defense can't move the puck out of the zone with control he's never getting the chance to set up and perpetually stuck waiting on the boards for a pass. This is what happens when your defense can't move the puck, it's going to happen all season long and the forwards are going to look bad despite being really talented. I'm not even having a Shea Weber whine either. That's part of it but Petry is still really good and Beaulieu is good enough, they have enough talent on the roster that they should at least have an acceptable transition game which is good enough when your transition forwards are as elite as Pacioretty and Gallagher. It's really all about systems, Subban and Petry were both good enough to compensate for the horrible breakouts through sheer volume and skill, but you can't expect guys like Markov and Weber to compensate for such a terrible system, it's not in their skillsets at this stage in their careers. Right now Petry is the only guy you can count on to create zone exits with enough volume that a reasonable amount of them will end up with a forward gaining control of the puck in the neutral zone. Weber's skillset is as advertised, he's genuinely really good at being the man mountain and reduces opponent shot quality like nobody else in the league. That's not an ideal playstyle because you're better off being in the offensive zone in the first place, but it's still valuable. The problem is that Weber makes these strong defensive plays and when he gains control of the puck he either throws it off the glass or moves it to Beaulieu who...throws it off the glass. If your #1 defenseman's game is mostly based on his play away from the puck (ignoring PP and his offensive zone play which is elite) then you can't be throwing the puck away every time you get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 17 minutes ago, CaptWelly said: I don't think being Captain you have to stick up physically for everyone. That role is usually a different players role especially not a top scorers role. Saku was never a physical presence. I would like to see him more drive using his speed to the net like we've seen in the past. I do think there is an adjustment period though. Every team now knows that its Chucky's spot to be #1 center this year. It appears he's getting a lot more attention and his job Chucky as the center is to make the plays and get Patches the puck. I've seen several of Chucky's passes picked off or just missing when Patches has been open. I think if they're left together and Chucky learns to break free of tighter checking it will get better for both. No one says you need to be 'physical' sticking up for someone but if your afraid to get a facewash sticking up for a teammate you better find another line of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWelly Posted October 17, 2016 Report Share Posted October 17, 2016 I agree with Noob616 a lot will get dumped on Pacs that's out of his control. I've never seen him afraid of a "face wash" but there is a time and place and that has been what lessor players roles have been for years. It's not always that particular shift usually the third line or tougher guys will then have a shift or two after the other teams top players to make a statement. Yserman Sakic Lindstrom Gretsky none of these guys were the ones to be tough. I haven't seen Chucky jumping into to many frays out there either. I would rather see the Shaws and others in the box than my top players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 Well there you go! much stronger game, he looked like himself at many points in last nights game. stronger on the puck good skating and better decisions, nice to see him wake up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roy_133 Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 I agree he'll probably get picked on this year because of the C and the Subban rumors (such is Montreal) but it's too bad he's so underappreciated. He's a monster, any line he gets put on is immediately productive, even if it's Desharnais and Weise. He generates a boatload of shots and chances and even in his apparent down year last season still had over 300 shots again and he can play in any situation. Any time people see a big frame they want John LeClair but man, Pacioretty is good. Nevermind the contract. FWIW yes, sometimes I find him frustrating stylistically to watch but the age, frame, production and contract are everything we spent a decade+ CRYING for to put next to Koivu. If we are shortsighted enough to trade him, we'll spend another decade looking for a guy like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWelly Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 4 hours ago, roy_133 said: I agree he'll probably get picked on this year because of the C and the Subban rumors (such is Montreal) but it's too bad he's so underappreciated. He's a monster, any line he gets put on is immediately productive, even if it's Desharnais and Weise. He generates a boatload of shots and chances and even in his apparent down year last season still had over 300 shots again and he can play in any situation. Any time people see a big frame they want John LeClair but man, Pacioretty is good. Nevermind the contract. FWIW yes, sometimes I find him frustrating stylistically to watch but the age, frame, production and contract are everything we spent a decade+ CRYING for to put next to Koivu. If we are shortsighted enough to trade him, we'll spend another decade looking for a guy like that. I agree completey.I think a lot of the negativity is because he was chosen as Captain over some fans favorites. Fans have to remember it was a player vote the team voted him in. He had 30 goals as said and everyone is down on him. Chucky gets 30 and he's on fire? The same people complaing are ones that put down DD who Pacs has been put with a lot. So if DD is a that bad then Pacs has even done better. I like to see him use his speed and drive and shoot the puck. It's not his nature to be shouting on the bench or being a LeClair type forward. We as fans don't know what kind of personality he has in the locker room. I would rather have a leader that talks to team mates off to the side than a Kennan type that shouts in front of everyone. When Price comes back it will make a difference also. As Babcock said when Price was in the room with team Canada (loaded with team Captains) his calmness settled everyone down in that room! I still think he's going to have a great year. I hope to see Chucky actually start to get better at the #1 center job. He has the skills but there is a lot to that position , you have to be a complete overall player in todays game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted October 19, 2016 Report Share Posted October 19, 2016 4 hours ago, roy_133 said: I agree he'll probably get picked on this year because of the C and the Subban rumors (such is Montreal) but it's too bad he's so underappreciated. He's a monster, any line he gets put on is immediately productive, even if it's Desharnais and Weise. He generates a boatload of shots and chances and even in his apparent down year last season still had over 300 shots again and he can play in any situation. Any time people see a big frame they want John LeClair but man, Pacioretty is good. Nevermind the contract. FWIW yes, sometimes I find him frustrating stylistically to watch but the age, frame, production and contract are everything we spent a decade+ CRYING for to put next to Koivu. If we are shortsighted enough to trade him, we'll spend another decade looking for a guy like that. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckPundit Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Perennial team top-scorer having a subdued start to the season . Will this finally be the season he's dethroned on the scoring chart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BizarreReverend Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 3 hours ago, PuckPundit said: Perennial team top-scorer having a subdued start to the season . Will this finally be the season he's dethroned on the scoring chart? Could be, especially with Gallagher and Radulov playing like they are. Add Galchenyuk's further emergence, and Max has some competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 Max lost his spot on the first line to Byron... bitter pill? Message from the coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 35 minutes ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: Max lost his spot on the first line to Byron... bitter pill? Message from the coach? Max seems to have lost his edge except for the odd flash here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 42 minutes ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: Max lost his spot on the first line to Byron... bitter pill? Message from the coach? Well he was back with DD so i think thats a promotion in the coach's eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWelly Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 I actually didn't mind seeing Max with Shaw & DD. Shaw plays a lot like Gallager and Max & DD have been good together before. What I really like the most is it give three lines with threats. In todays NHL if you can roll 3-4 lines most of the time you're better off in todays game. Pittsburgh had that in last years playoffs. It makes your team much harder to defend against. Q does that with the Hawks a lot spread his line up. Babcock used to do that with the Wings also. I think it's better to have a top 9 that you just roll than a 1st ,2nd, 3rd anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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