BigTed3 Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ravadak said: The answer for me would be quite simple to your question. I would rather have Galchenyk. However I am not sure the coaching staff feels that way. If they did I am sure he would have been starting on one of the top two lines not on the 4th line in the first round of the playoffs. i think your question should not be about who we already have but who we could get by moving Galchenyk. The thing about coaches is this: they're a group who are inherently not willing to take risk. They want to play it safe, they want to take the path that exposes themselves to the least amount of criticism. And I think every coach will tell you they'd rather lose a game 2-1 than lose one 6-5. Coaches want to see sound defence, and they don't care that much about how flashy a player is. They want safe. So it takes a brilliant coach to recognize that a guy like Galchenyuk can be weak defensively but still be a bigger asset than a liability because of how skilled he is at the other end of the rink. You can go out and find another Danault or Byron or Mitchell. Sound defensive guys can be replaced. It's much harder to replace a Galchenyuk, almost impossible. Look at how long the Habs have been searching for a true #1 center. He's the first guy in maybe 20 years that could potentially fill that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 Something is definitely not right with him... not the same player he once was physically and mentally for whatever reason... hard to fathom at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Another playoff non entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckPundit Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 I paid $24.99 excl taxes to buy a blue T with his number from the Bell Centre merchandise store. May become worthless soon since he's likely to be traded. If it happens, hopes a worthy replacement inherits the #27. It's my personal number . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 He scored what,,,,,,,28 goals last year? IMO, MT mishandled him this year from the get-go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Gonna be really disappointing when he gets traded and puts up 70 points and everyone's shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 Very disappointing year after scoring 30 goals for the first time in his career and having a really strong start to the season. For whatever reason, I feel he was never the same player after that knee-on-knee with Kopitar. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they swap him for someone who they think can play first line center. After having played 350+ games of pro hockey in his career, it's probably safe to say that Galchenyuk won't ever be that guy in Montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 hour ago, ChiLla said: Very disappointing year after scoring 30 goals for the first time in his career and having a really strong start to the season. For whatever reason, I feel he was never the same player after that knee-on-knee with Kopitar. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they swap him for someone who they think can play first line center. After having played 350+ games of pro hockey in his career, it's probably safe to say that Galchenyuk won't ever be that guy in Montreal. I wonder what having an off-season and a full season under someone not named Michel Therrien will do for him though. He clearly has skill and some mental roadblocks to overcome. What's funny is that Galchenyuk has always had success playing with Brendan Gallagher though and yet that was never really a combination that the Habs went back to for any prolonged stretch of time. The talk at the start of the year was that Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher would get a chance to carry on the success they had last year and with Radulov playing well and stealing ice time with Pacioretty, the reunion of those three players never really happened. But that line had worked well in the past and EGG worked well in the past. So if you can run Pac-Gal-Gal and find another top 6 center to give Lehk-XXX-Rad, then you allow Galchenyuk to play with the guys with whom he's had the most success AND you create a second scoring line that prevents the other teams from focusing in on your top line. So to me, the injury definitely hurt Galchenyuk but it was also a question of a lack of confidence from coach/GM, a lack of stability in terms of linemates/position, and a lack of scoring depth on the team, which permitted other teams to focus in on shutting down his line when he did get to play with quality linemates. Build a better line-up, where the other lines are not centered by Plekanec, Desharnais, or Danault, and you'll make it trickier for the opposition to counter Galchenyuk. Like the Habs, I have concerns over Galchenyuk's defensive ability, but 30-goal, 70-point men are not common-place in the NHL any more and it would be a real shame to trade away the potential one we have after what we've done to minimize his trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravadak Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 3 hours ago, BigTed3 said: I wonder what having an off-season and a full season under someone not named Michel Therrien will do for him though. He clearly has skill and some mental roadblocks to overcome. What's funny is that Galchenyuk has always had success playing with Brendan Gallagher though and yet that was never really a combination that the Habs went back to for any prolonged stretch of time. The talk at the start of the year was that Pacioretty-Galchenyuk-Gallagher would get a chance to carry on the success they had last year and with Radulov playing well and stealing ice time with Pacioretty, the reunion of those three players never really happened. But that line had worked well in the past and EGG worked well in the past. So if you can run Pac-Gal-Gal and find another top 6 center to give Lehk-XXX-Rad, then you allow Galchenyuk to play with the guys with whom he's had the most success AND you create a second scoring line that prevents the other teams from focusing in on your top line. So to me, the injury definitely hurt Galchenyuk but it was also a question of a lack of confidence from coach/GM, a lack of stability in terms of linemates/position, and a lack of scoring depth on the team, which permitted other teams to focus in on shutting down his line when he did get to play with quality linemates. Build a better line-up, where the other lines are not centered by Plekanec, Desharnais, or Danault, and you'll make it trickier for the opposition to counter Galchenyuk. Like the Habs, I have concerns over Galchenyuk's defensive ability, but 30-goal, 70-point men are not common-place in the NHL any more and it would be a real shame to trade away the potential one we have after what we've done to minimize his trade value. Certainly after watching him play in the playoffs his value has dropped. He was not engaged at all and if he is not scoring he has little to no value. I get his skill set and he has had periods in the past where he looks like the real deal. The problem now is we have no one up the middle. We have a log jam of third and 4th line centers. I don't see any choice but to go after a player like Deuchene. After watching Nuges in the playoffs i would say he is off the books. If you have nothing down the middle, your team is not going anywhere... The Eller deal is almost as bad to this team as the Subban deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted April 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ravadak said: I don't see any choice but to go after a player like Deuchene. So, you're unsatisfied with Galchenyuk's performance and want to trade him for a player with worse 5-on-5 primary point production and possession rates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Really unhappy with his play. he is not a rookie anymore and to make it worse he is playing for a contract. have to wonder if there is more off ice stuff going on than we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckPundit Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 In MB's own words, ".....like an alcoholic or smoker who doesn't think he has a problem." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 2 hours ago, PuckPundit said: In MB's own words, ".....like an alcoholic or smoker who doesn't think he has a problem." Seriously? Good job taking that quote WAY out of context. He didn't compare Galchenyuk to an alcoholic or a smoker, he talked about the meeting they had that day, where they discussed his shortcomings at center. « On pourrait dire la même chose d’un alcoolique ou de quelqu’un qui tente d’arrêter de fumer. Tant que tu ne réalises pas que tu as un problème, tu ne peux pas le régler. On a eu une bonne discussion avec Alex ce matin. Il est conscient des déficiences dans son jeu et il est prêt à travailler. Il travaillait avant, mais je crois que cette année lui a vraiment ouvert les yeux. On espère qu’il a pris un pas de recul cette saison pour en prendre deux vers l’avant l’an prochain. » http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/les-4-verites-de-galchenyuk-et-beaulieu-1.4475019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted May 29, 2017 Report Share Posted May 29, 2017 The skill is there it is so frustrating to see it muted like it seems to be now. it is scary to think of letting him go because if he ever gets going........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Seems Chucky's agent feels they would take a one year deal! pretty crazy risk but I suppose I understand. could be a chance to lock him up on a deal if we play our cards right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 20 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said: Seems Chucky's agent feels they would take a one year deal! pretty crazy risk but I suppose I understand. could be a chance to lock him up on a deal if we play our cards right. TSN is talking about it now, and they suggest 1 year at 4 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 That would be a steal but risky for future relations, if there are any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 8 hours ago, kinot-2 said: TSN is talking about it now, and they suggest 1 year at 4 mil. A one year deal is the best way for Galcheyuk to protect himself after his treatment last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 8 hours ago, habs1952 said: A one year deal is the best way for Galcheyuk to protect himself after his treatment last year. Yeah unless he has a major injury..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 5 hours ago, ramcharger440 said: Yeah unless he has a major injury..... That's always possible however he could also turn into another Pacioretty, underpaid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWelly Posted June 2, 2017 Report Share Posted June 2, 2017 21 hours ago, habs1952 said: A one year deal is the best way for Galcheyuk to protect himself after his treatment last year. Even CJ saw deficiencies , how he is treated is completely up to Chucky no one else. He's not 18-19 and shouldn't need to be coddled. He's a bit like Kovalev was world class talent but doesn't bring it every night and battle in every zone. It's easy to love this guy because of his talent. That said it's just as easy to get frustrated with him because of the same. He has the talent but like everyone else he needs to work his tail off every shift and impress people with work ethic AND skill. As frustrating as it is for the fans it must be more frustrating to management. No matter who the coach is a player needs to play how that particular coach wants and the great players adjust. I'd love to keep him and have him explode but in todays game he's going to have to work on being a two way player and if a center? work on his face offs. We need a #1 center and if giving up Chucky can help get that , it may have to be. A true #1 though like a Tavares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 On 2017-06-02 at 8:16 PM, CaptWelly said: Even CJ saw deficiencies , how he is treated is completely up to Chucky no one else. He's not 18-19 and shouldn't need to be coddled. He's a bit like Kovalev was world class talent but doesn't bring it every night and battle in every zone. It's easy to love this guy because of his talent. That said it's just as easy to get frustrated with him because of the same. He has the talent but like everyone else he needs to work his tail off every shift and impress people with work ethic AND skill. As frustrating as it is for the fans it must be more frustrating to management. No matter who the coach is a player needs to play how that particular coach wants and the great players adjust. I'd love to keep him and have him explode but in todays game he's going to have to work on being a two way player and if a center? work on his face offs. We need a #1 center and if giving up Chucky can help get that , it may have to be. A true #1 though like a Tavares Good coaches coach to a player's strengths and set him up to succeed in the right position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 47 minutes ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: Good coaches coach to a player's strengths and set him up to succeed in the right position. Yup....sometimes it's the coach who needs to make adjustments to accommodate a skilled player. Kessel is a good example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWelly Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 57 minutes ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: Good coaches coach to a player's strengths and set him up to succeed in the right position. Well the first thing Scotty Bowman did when he came to Detroit is talk to Yserman and tell him he has to be a two way complete center and that he's not going to have as many points but the team would end up winning. Bowman even had Federov play as a defense man several times. Even Babcock has sat guys that don't play a '200' foot game and constantly says offense comes from good defense. Stevie has said it many times that Scotty made him a better player by making him play better defensively. Babcock is considered as a good coach in todays game and well hard to argue that Bowman didn't know what he was doing even though over the years he upset a lot of players and made them change their games. Like Babcock said several times he thought Datsyuck could of lead the league in scoring but he wanted a great player that could play in all situations. Dat's won selkies and cups to go along with them. If you want your most talented players on the ice more than they can't be sheltered and have to learn to play great at both ends of the ice. A player like Toews plays when the score is 1-0 late in the game no matter who's lead it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted June 4, 2017 Report Share Posted June 4, 2017 1 hour ago, CaptWelly said: Well the first thing Scotty Bowman did when he came to Detroit is talk to Yserman and tell him he has to be a two way complete center and that he's not going to have as many points but the team would end up winning. Bowman even had Federov play as a defense man several times. Even Babcock has sat guys that don't play a '200' foot game and constantly says offense comes from good defense. Stevie has said it many times that Scotty made him a better player by making him play better defensively. Babcock is considered as a good coach in todays game and well hard to argue that Bowman didn't know what he was doing even though over the years he upset a lot of players and made them change their games. Like Babcock said several times he thought Datsyuck could of lead the league in scoring but he wanted a great player that could play in all situations. Dat's won selkies and cups to go along with them. If you want your most talented players on the ice more than they can't be sheltered and have to learn to play great at both ends of the ice. A player like Toews plays when the score is 1-0 late in the game no matter who's lead it is. Bowman was a master strategist and a brilliant coach who could motivate players into winners. We're lucky we had him at one time. As for Galchenyuk, I agree with CaptWelly's assessment; it is completely up to him and no one else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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