habs_93 Posted July 9, 2016 Report Share Posted July 9, 2016 #65 Andrew Shaw @shawz15er Position: Centre Shoots: Right Birthplace: Belleville, ON, CAN Birth date: 20 July 1991 Age: 24 Height: 5' 11" Weight: 179 lbs Drafted by: Chicago Draft Year: 2011 Round 5 (139th Overall) Archive 2015-16 Stats | Video | NHL.com | Contract Info OwnThePuck HERO Chart (http://ownthepuck.blogspot.com/): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 Excerpts from article on Andrew Shaw from Nick Guido: -For a 24-year-old, Andrew Shaw is accomplished. The Canadiens want to surround their team with leadership and players who have won in their careers. It’s a big unknown whether Shaw can be as effective without the help of Toews, Kane and Panarin but regardless his accomplishments speak for themselves. Montreal Canadiens fans are very familiar with what Andrew Shaw can bring to the team. After all, Brendan Gallagher has done it for years now. With the addition of Shaw, teams now have to deal with both him and proven league-wide pest Brendan Gallagher. Although Gallagher brings more offensive upside, Shaw still does bring goals. Scoring 20, 15 and 14 in the last three seasons. No Shaw won’t have a line mate like Patrick Kane but he does come into an improved overall forward group with the signing of Alexander Radulov, who has to potential to score 25-30 goals. Lars Eller was often overlooked and frustrating in Montreal. Sure some of it was on the player for not living up to his potential but much of it was on coaching and management. Lars Eller is a third line center. He can’t effectively play the wing and he can’t effectively with his skill set, play anywhere else. During most of his time in Montreal he was misused as many players were and still are. It’s not fair to put all the blame on Eller. He came to play each year, especially in the playoffs and he was a team player for every season that he was in Montreal. Now in Washington he’s in a good situation and they plan on using him where he needs to be; third line center. On to Andrew Shaw, with doing my research I’m impressed. Now Shaw like I said hasn’t played anywhere but Chicago and has been surrounded by elite talent for his entire career. Unfortunately for him that won’t be the case in Montreal. Unlike Chicago he might be asked to do more and will be placed in many situations. All Canadiens fans can do is wait and watch, but I promise you this player won’t disappoint. He’ll do a lot of behind the scenes work in the dressing room that fans won’t see and wear his heart on his sleeve on the ice. Most importantly, Shaw will do whatever it takes to help the team win and a player like that is welcome on my team any day. Welcome to Montreal Andrew Shaw. http://thehockeywriters.com/montreal-canadiens-meet-andrew-shaw/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted July 20, 2016 Report Share Posted July 20, 2016 I really liked lars Eller, i thought he would become that big 2nd line centre, or a big centre capable of playing in the top 6. He struggled a bit, payed his dues on the wing and when he finally was given the 3rd line centre role, midway through a season, I thought he looked more comfortable. He put on weight in the offseason, giving him a little more confidence when going into the corners. He had a great run with the 2 Gally's, but never saw the same success, no matter who he was paired with or where he played (wing or centre). Lars strengths came in the FO dot, along the boards, defending and as some added size. Sadly, his offensive skill never really developed and caught up to NHL skill. I still like lars, really pulled for him. But, it was clear that he wouldn't be more than a 3rd line centre. A very good shut down 3rd line centre, very strong in FO's but lacking the offensive skill missing from Montreal's attack. Really sorry to see him go, but he should have a permanent roster spot playing on the caps 3rd line, in a shut down role. Shaw, is a tad younger, grittier, both can be physical, but Lars did have some size over Shaw. Which, if you look at our super pest Gallagher, heart can make up for a lack of size and i think Shaw has it. He will help us offensively, maybe not so much by scoring himself, which he will do on occasion, but his pesky style can distract and give some of scorers open ice to create scoring chances for his linemates. And, in true gallagher fashion, he should get his share of rebounds/garbage goals. Nothing wrong with that, Steve Shutt made a career cleaning up after Lafleur and Lemaire. Nothing wrong in being a clean up man, goals are goals and in a league where goals are hard to get, even the garbage goals are welcome. I like skilled guys, they are entertaining, but also like quality, character guys. The character guys are the ones who lay it all out when the playoffs hit, they can be the glue that bonds a team. As much as i love and respect character guys, ones who will stop slapshots with their faces, "a la Steve Begin", and stand up for teammates, yes-you can have too many character guys. Right now, with Flynn, Mitchy, Byron, DLR and shaw, I think we're good in that department. Despite missing 1 or 2 true top 6 guys, mainly 2nd line LW and 2nd line centre, we have a pretty good mix. We now have 3 proven and skilled trigger men, in Chuck, Patch and Rad. And maybe 2 of the best pests, agitators capable of playing top 6 roles in Gally and Shaw. With the loss of PK, our forwards will have to pick up the slack and help our dmen, help move the puck up and out of our end. Especially since MB addressed our need for scoring in our top 6 by signing Rad, I like the addition of Shaw. Patches and Chuck aren't your physical, gritty type players, they're more your garden variety skilled players. But they will be well surrounded with gritty guys who aren't afraid to mix it up, such as rad-who is also a skilled player with grit, Gally and Shaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Yeah I have Zero problem adding Shaw. I dont love his contract but if the team sees some potential in him then who knows. What frustrates me is: We didnt need to move Eller to get Shaw. It wasnt a trade and it wasnt even particularly necessary in order to fit him under the cap. If we needed to move a body in order to make room for Shaw then it should have been Desharnais, who doesnt fit with this roster, or even Plekanec who, while more skilled than Eller, is winding down his career. And what probably frustrates me the most is that we gave up 2 send round picks this year to get Shaw but only received 2 secound round picks in subsequent years to lose Eller. I have a feeling Shaw will quickly become a fan favourite. I think he'll do well here. I just think we're going to severely feel the lack of Eller's shutdown capabilities in the very near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Yeah I have Zero problem adding Shaw. I dont love his contract but if the team sees some potential in him then who knows. What frustrates me is: We didnt need to move Eller to get Shaw. It wasnt a trade and it wasnt even particularly necessary in order to fit him under the cap. If we needed to move a body in order to make room for Shaw then it should have been Desharnais, who doesnt fit with this roster, or even Plekanec who, while more skilled than Eller, is winding down his career. And what probably frustrates me the most is that we gave up 2 send round picks this year to get Shaw but only received 2 secound round picks in subsequent years to lose Eller. I have a feeling Shaw will quickly become a fan favourite. I think he'll do well here. I just think we're going to severely feel the lack of Eller's shutdown capabilities in the very near future. They may have tried to move DD. Caps did pay for Eller, they didn't get him for nothing. I like shaw, he's a little younger than Lars, but they should have similar point production. Apart from age and a little more sand paper, I don't feel we made significant strides. Shaw's presence on the ice may create room for our scorers, but I feel a lot of his contributions may never show up on the score sheet. So it's hard to assess that type of value, I guess you have to lean on +/- as reference. Both have had success in the playoffs, so in a lot of areas, it becomes a draw imo. As for DD, I would've rather kept Lars and dealt DD. But which team needs a pint sized centre, better suited for 3rd line duties (due to size and production) and who earns 4 mil+/season? Too bad sather wasn't still in NY, we could've said DD was American born, a Cajun if you want, born and raised in Laurier-Station, Louisiana. You know how the Rags love, over payed, American born players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedimaas Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 As for DD, I would've rather kept Lars and dealt DD. But which team needs a pint sized centre, better suited for 3rd line duties (due to size and production) and who earns 4 mil+/season? Too bad sather wasn't still in NY, we could've said DD was American born, a Cajun if you want, born and raised in Laurier-Station, Louisiana. You know how the Rags love, over payed, American born players. Right but the point is, why move Eller - for fair market value - when we didnt need to? Its not like we even recouped those picks for this year. We gave up 2 picks in this year's draft and we replaced them with picks in 2 subsequent drafts. We didnt move Eller for assets we moved him to clear space. I am pretty sure someone in the league would have taken DD for a 7th if we absolutely had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 And really, if MB had to make a choice between Shaw and Eller as to how to spend that cap money, I'd rather have kept Eller. I get that fans will love Shaw's work ethic, but we already had other guys (Gallagher, Carr, Lessio, McCarron, Subban) who could go and get under other team's skin. We are really lacking a shutdown 3rd line center now, and MB's explanation that Danault is ready doesn't hold water at this point. Danault hasn't shown he can be more than a 4th-line player yet. Maybe that changes, but right now, the only reason presented for getting rid of Eller has been "we needed cap space" and the only reason they needed cap space was to be able to add Shaw. So that's why the comparisons are going to be made. They may be similar value guys, but what Eller provides is harder to replace than what Shaw brings. MB should have been trying to deal DD, Emelin, Plekanec, or Markov to create the cap space. If he wasn't able to create room to bring in Shaw, then he should have stayed put with Eller. The downgrading of two second rounders (later in the round and in years expected to be less useful in terms of draft talent) is only adding insult to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest habs1952 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 They may have tried to move DD. Caps did pay for Eller, they didn't get him for nothing. That remains to be seen. What are the chances one of those probable very late 2nd round picks becomes an NHL'er? The Caps and Preds are laughing at us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 . I get that fans will love Shaw's work ethic, but we already had other guys (Gallagher, Carr, Lessio, McCarron, Subban) who could go and get under other team's skin. But Shaw brings 2 , two, TWO Stanley Cup wins , character and grit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habberwacky Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 But Shaw brings 2 , two, TWO Stanley Cup wins , character and grit I am lookiing forward to seeing Shaw in Montreal with or without all the bias. With all that bling on his fingers he won't be as invisible as many of our regulars were last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 I am lookiing forward to seeing Shaw in Montreal with or without all the bias. With all that bling on his fingers he won't be as invisible as many of our regulars were last year. Kovalev, Gomez, Gionta, Gill, Kaberle, and Moen all showed up here with Stanley Cup rings. I wouldn't say they were any less invisible on certain nights just because they won a Cup. The point is that some Cup winners are good players and some are not. The same goes for players who haven't won the Cup. You need to judge each player on individual merit and current ability, NOT on whether they were once on a winning team nor on skill level that they possessed 3, 5, or 10 years in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Kovalev, Gomez, Gionta, Gill, Kaberle, and Moen all showed up here with Stanley Cup rings. I wouldn't say they were any less invisible on certain nights just because they won a Cup. The point is that some Cup winners are good players and some are not. The same goes for players who haven't won the Cup. You need to judge each player on individual merit and current ability, NOT on whether they were once on a winning team nor on skill level that they possessed 3, 5, or 10 years in the past. Agreed Ted. One thing I'm happy about with Shaw, is that he seems to be one of these players, much like Lars, who has that extra gear come the PO's. Lars struggled in the reg season, going long stretches where nothing went right, think back to that "hail mary" toe save Crawford made on Lars a season or 2 ago. That pretty much summed up Lars' struggles, he seemed frozen in shock after Corey made the save. Didn't bother to go after the rebound, just stood, like a deer in headlights, wonder how, with an open net that he didn't have a goal. Come the playoffs, Lars could bring it, scoring goals, getting assists and using his big frame to work the corners and bump opponents off the puck. For me, the hardware on his finger doesn't mean much. But what we've seen from him in the PO's, for me, that's priceless. He could become a modern day Lemieux, without all the dramatics, rolling around on the ice trying to draw penalties. I'm talking Claude, not Mario. Although, I'll be surprised if Shaw can match Lemieux's post season numbers, CL was something special. He didn't just score goals in the PO's, it was the importance of a lot of his goals. Funny, because i actually hated Lemieux in the reg season(more so his theatrics and the fact he turtled from fights), come PO time, I knew he'd be a force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habberwacky Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Kovalev, Gomez, Gionta, Gill, Kaberle, and Moen all showed up here with Stanley Cup rings. I wouldn't say they were any less invisible on certain nights just because they won a Cup. The point is that some Cup winners are good players and some are not. The same goes for players who haven't won the Cup. You need to judge each player on individual merit and current ability, NOT on whether they were once on a winning team nor on skill level that they possessed 3, 5, or 10 years in the past. That was my point about a bias. He appears to be judged by some as a bad addition based on the reason for his acquisition despite not having hit the ice yet. Only in Montreal can we acquire a young player who has had some success early in his career and joke about what he briings to the table before he has played a game. Welcome Mr. Shaw, I hope you have a nice long career here despite the GM's decision to acquire you. I also agree like in the examples of Kovalev etc. the GM and to some extent coach can only do so much after a player is acquired and then it is up to the player to show up every night. Last year we had quite a few who didn't despite all the injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted August 4, 2016 Report Share Posted August 4, 2016 Shaw Will Be Missed in Windy City ◾Known for his unremitting style of play and genuine personality, the transaction that saw Andrew Shaw become a member of the Canadiens was, needless to say, one that caused some sleepless night among Blackhawks brass. ◾In an article for the Chicago Tribune, ‘Hawks president John McDonough aired his voice on the move “From the end of the season on, I had workers with hard hats screaming to me from the third floor, ‘Don’t trade (Andrew) Shaw’. Wherever you went, people that I would run into said the same thing.” ◾Shaw was a fan favourite on multiple levels “He had an organic grittiness that really struck a nerve with Chicagoans, maybe more than any athlete I’ve been associated with. He really resonated with everybody,” ◾“Not the most skilled player but the classic overachiever. He got under people’s skin. He represented what people wanted this franchise to embody.” he told journalist David Haugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted August 4, 2016 Report Share Posted August 4, 2016 Shaw Will Be Missed in Windy City ◾Known for his unremitting style of play and genuine personality, the transaction that saw Andrew Shaw become a member of the Canadiens was, needless to say, one that caused some sleepless night among Blackhawks brass. ◾In an article for the Chicago Tribune, ‘Hawks president John McDonough aired his voice on the move “From the end of the season on, I had workers with hard hats screaming to me from the third floor, ‘Don’t trade (Andrew) Shaw’. Wherever you went, people that I would run into said the same thing.” ◾Shaw was a fan favourite on multiple levels “He had an organic grittiness that really struck a nerve with Chicagoans, maybe more than any athlete I’ve been associated with. He really resonated with everybody,” ◾“Not the most skilled player but the classic overachiever. He got under people’s skin. He represented what people wanted this franchise to embody.” he told journalist David Haugh. Let`s hope that all this newfound `grittiness`on our team can actually produce us a Cup this time around. WB Kinot, missed your humorous posts on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff33 Posted August 4, 2016 Report Share Posted August 4, 2016 well hopefully all that grit and character comes with some good cardio because hes about to get the most icetime of his entire career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 Let`s hope that all this newfound `grittiness`on our team can actually produce us a Cup this time around. WB Kinot, missed your humorous posts on here. Thanks HSC, dint know I went missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstStar Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 Shaw Will Be Missed in Windy City ◾Known for his unremitting style of play and genuine personality, the transaction that saw Andrew Shaw become a member of the Canadiens was, needless to say, one that caused some sleepless night among Blackhawks brass. ◾In an article for the Chicago Tribune, ‘Hawks president John McDonough aired his voice on the move “From the end of the season on, I had workers with hard hats screaming to me from the third floor, ‘Don’t trade (Andrew) Shaw’. Wherever you went, people that I would run into said the same thing.” ◾Shaw was a fan favourite on multiple levels “He had an organic grittiness that really struck a nerve with Chicagoans, maybe more than any athlete I’ve been associated with. He really resonated with everybody,” ◾“Not the most skilled player but the classic overachiever. He got under people’s skin. He represented what people wanted this franchise to embody.” he told journalist David Haugh. People like the blue collar players. They're closer to your every day joe. The elites, are just that, elites. Meaning there aren't very many of them, most people are drawn to blue collar players because they made it on grit and determination. Not everyone is blessed with a high skillset, but everyone has it in them to give it their 100% and guys like Shaw remind us of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted August 13, 2016 Report Share Posted August 13, 2016 Excerpt from article by Stu Cowan: -Bergevin told NHL.com’s Dave Stubbs this summer that he wants guys “who don’t like to lose” and when they do it hurts and “it gets them inside.” The GM added: “It’s the Chicago culture, that’s what I want.” There was a time when other teams in the NHL wanted the Canadiens’ culture, but times change. The Canadiens have gone 23 years without a Stanley Cup, while the Blackhawks have won three times in the last seven seasons — the closest thing to a modern-day dynasty. Shaw played on two of those championship Blackhawks teams. In 78 games last season, Shaw posted 14-20-34 totals along with 69 penalty minutes and a plus-11 rating. http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/stu-cowan-new-canadien-shaw-hopes-to-earn-fans-love-with-his-gritty-style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Interesting read Too bad grit , character and winning 2 Stanley Cups doesn't necessarily mean he's going to score a ton of goals http://www.tsn.ca/shaw-s-declining-shooting-percentage-raises-question-marks-1.566038 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-1 Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Interesting read Too bad grit , character and winning 2 Stanley Cups doesn't necessarily mean he's going to score a ton of goals http://www.tsn.ca/shaw-s-declining-shooting-percentage-raises-question-marks-1.566038 Don't forget his almost $4 mil. per for 6 more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Well at least the Habs will tougher to play against Might not have many shots on goal though Of all of the active players in the league, Shaw’s just one of four regular players who has seen his shooting percentage decline in four consecutive years. (Oddly enough, new teammate David Desharnais is another.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 Well at least the Habs will tougher to play against Might not have many shots on goal though Of all of the active players in the league, Shaw’s just one of four regular players who has seen his shooting percentage decline in four consecutive years. (Oddly enough, new teammate David Desharnais is another.) At least we have the winning combination. A bright future ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 Shaw's match tonight showed us exactly why Eller is a more useful player. Eller took on tough match-ups, put up good possession numbers, and still contributed some offence. Shaw's match tonight included a dirty boarding hit from behind, saluting the crowd during a fight, and punching a kid while he was lying on the ice. Come on. Therrien and Bergevin keep talking about character and grit and putting the team first and not being a showman. Well Shaw disappointed on all those fronts tonight. Weber has a similar record of making questionable hits. This isn't hockey to me. I don't want to be the Bruins and play goon hockey. Give me skill players like Subban, Galchenyuk, Sekac, Eller, Beaulieu, Hudon, and Lehkonen over guys who are going to play the game like Shaw any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted September 28, 2016 Report Share Posted September 28, 2016 . Shaw's match tonight included a dirty boarding hit from behind, saluting the crowd during a fight, and punching a kid while he was lying on the ice. Come on. Therrien and Bergevin keep talking about character and grit and putting the team first and not being a showman. Yup Gets into a meaningless fight and showboats . Can't celebrate a goal or do the triple low five after a game win because that's too individualistic but it's OK to fight and then act like an idiot afterword because that's character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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