H_T_L Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Will things turn around for us now or is this just a blip in a lost season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I can't imagine Bergevin would make this move right now and not give Julien the green light to run things his way. Obviously with an in-season change there's difficulty, but Julien is not a rookie, nor has he been out of the NHL for long. He was also just in the division, so he should have all the mental stuff good to go. He'll need to hit the ground running and get an assessment of his players down, of course. But I think it's actually, weirdly, a good thing that he hasn't had time to think about our farm system so much. He won't have the baggage about our younger players, for instance. I could see him making significant moves and drastically changing how players are deployed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I think this move is going to be huge. I look around at the league & I think people sorely underestimate this roster because of how ineptly its been deployed. We have: 1) the best goalie in the world 2) three bone fide 1st liners 3) two (arguably 3) bone fide 2nd liners 4) three bone fide 3rd liners 5) a plethora of 4th liners 6) a top pairing defensman 7) two second pairing defensmen 8) a plethora of bottom pairing (potentailly 1 or 2 top 4 in there) defensmen The only position we're sorely lacking is a legit first pairing LH defensman. This is not a weak roster. If price can find his groove again, with a real stystem in place, i think Julien is going to be the best thing Bergevin has done all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 As long as CJ doesn't play favorites, and deploiys his players according to the game plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/43390/debate-could-revenge-be-why-claude-julien-took-the-canadiens-job McDonald: Julien-coached teams have always had success when they stick to their structure. Yes, he values the defense-first mentality, but in Boston we’ve seen what happens when Julien has a world-class goaltender and a solid defensive core -- it results in a potent offense. He’s also taking over this team when the roster is healthy. Julien has instant credibility with the Canadiens and has worked with Price on Team Canada for the Olympics and World Cup. And I think it’s hysterical that he goes from coaching a team with Brad Marchand to one with Andrew Shaw. I also don’t think Bergevin is done making changes. He’s working the phones, trying to make his team better because a coaching change isn’t the only thing Montreal needs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Habs issue for half a decade has been possession, and we just hired one of the best guys in the league to fix that. Julien has his warts and there's going to be some frustrating veteran over rookie stuff with him too, but the defensemen aren't going to be told to just fire the puck aimlessly out of the zone for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldag Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 33 minutes ago, Regis22 said: http://www.espn.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/43390/debate-could-revenge-be-why-claude-julien-took-the-canadiens-job McDonald: Julien-coached teams have always had success when they stick to their structure. Yes, he values the defense-first mentality, but in Boston we’ve seen what happens when Julien has a world-class goaltender and a solid defensive core -- it results in a potent offense. He’s also taking over this team when the roster is healthy. Julien has instant credibility with the Canadiens and has worked with Price on Team Canada for the Olympics and World Cup. And I think it’s hysterical that he goes from coaching a team with Brad Marchand to one with Andrew Shaw. I also don’t think Bergevin is done making changes. He’s working the phones, trying to make his team better because a coaching change isn’t the only thing Montreal needs God help us!!!!! If we miss the playoffs this season it should pretty much seal Bergevin's fate ...... I have a pot of tar on simmer and am starting to pluck the chickens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 49 minutes ago, maas_art said: We have: 1) the best goalie in the world yes, but he needs to up his game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 50 minutes ago, maas_art said: We have: 3) two (arguably 3) bone fide 2nd liners WhO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 7 minutes ago, eldag said: God help us!!!!! If we miss the playoffs this season it should pretty much seal Bergevin's fate ...... I have a pot of tar on simmer and am starting to pluck the chickens Bergy isn't going anywhere because, a new GM would like to pick his own coach, and CJ is in for 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 51 minutes ago, maas_art said: We have: 4) three bone fide 3rd liners 5) a plethora of 4th liners. I would argue we have a plethora of 4 th liners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 52 minutes ago, maas_art said: We have: 6) a top pairing defensman 7) two second pairing defensmen 8) a plethora of bottom pairing (potentailly 1 or 2 top 4 in there) defensmen It could be argued we traded away a # 1 puck moving D man and have a lot of # 3 to # 6 D men Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I agree with jedimas depending on what happens at the trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsRuleForever Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 It will take some getting used to seeing him behind the B's bench for the past decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Noob616 said: Habs issue for half a decade has been possession, and we just hired one of the best guys in the league to fix that. Julien has his warts and there's going to be some frustrating veteran over rookie stuff with him too, but the defensemen aren't going to be told to just fire the puck aimlessly out of the zone for no reason. Which is funny of you to say because it's rumored one of the reasons CJ was fired in Boston is that he wanted to give more ice to the youngsters and Sweeney wanted him playing the guys on higher-priced contracts (like Beleskey). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 30 minutes ago, BigTed3 said: Which is funny of you to say because it's rumored one of the reasons CJ was fired in Boston is that he wanted to give more ice to the youngsters and Sweeney wanted him playing the guys on higher-priced contracts (like Beleskey). I heard the complete opposite, the he played the vets too often at the expense of the rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RicochetII Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 Anything other than the "give the other team the puck" strategy will be an improvement. I'll be happy if we simply increase our number of controlled entries and exits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, RicochetII said: Anything other than the "give the other team the puck" strategy will be an improvement. I'll be happy if we simply increase our number of controlled entries and exits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreekHockeyCoach Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 13 hours ago, maas_art said: I think this move is going to be huge. I look around at the league & I think people sorely underestimate this roster because of how ineptly its been deployed. We have: 1) the best goalie in the world 2) three bone fide 1st liners 3) two (arguably 3) bone fide 2nd liners 4) three bone fide 3rd liners 5) a plethora of 4th liners 6) a top pairing defensman 7) two second pairing defensmen 8) a plethora of bottom pairing (potentailly 1 or 2 top 4 in there) defensmen The only position we're sorely lacking is a legit first pairing LH defensman. This is not a weak roster. If price can find his groove again, with a real stystem in place, i think Julien is going to be the best thing Bergevin has done all year. I agree. If the players are used properly we have a team that can contend for the cup. As I said in the other thread, I'm tired of seeing the rolling of 4 lines. I want to see our better players out on the ice longer. I'm tired of seeing of 3rd and 4th line out on the ice in the final minutes of a game when we're trying to score a goal. What I'm really tired of seeing is just throwing the puck away because our coach is scared we might turn it over. This chip the puck and chase it crap was getting too painful to watch. I can't wait to see Julien bring some structure back to this team and make Habs hockey exciting again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I think a player like Petry will benefit a lot from this change! he should have the green light to carry the puck now and Beau will possibly come out of his shell as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 15 hours ago, Regis22 said: WhO? Gallagher is a 2nd liner on pretty much any team in this league. He's had incredibly bad puck luck this year but has proven he's a 2nd liner at worst - on handful of teams he'd be their #1RW. Danault's 30 points ranks him in the top 60 of all centres. Scoring-alone he's a 2nd line centre, but he's also been very very good defensively. I dont think its a stretch to say he's a 2nd liner, although i'll readily admit its a small sample size. Lehkonen, imho has shown he can be a top 6 player although I did say we had 2/3 of a bone fide second line. 15 hours ago, Regis22 said: I would argue we have a plethora of 4 th liners I dont see how you can say Plekanec, Shaw and at least one other player (Byron, Carr etc) arent 3rd line material. We have a legit 3rd line (albeit a very expensive one). 15 hours ago, Regis22 said: It could be argued we traded away a # 1 puck moving D man and have a lot of # 3 to # 6 D men We traded away a premiere puck moving defensman, there's no doubt about that. But we acquired a (completely different) top pairing dman. Shea Weber would be on the top pairing on any team in this league, to say he's a #3 is sort of silly. So we have a #1. Petry would probably be a #1 on a handful of teams and a #2 on a lot of others. As a RD he's on our 2nd pairing and he's a very very legit #3. One of Markov or Beaulieu is a top 4 guy. And, as we all know, we have lots and lots of third pairing players. So our real hole is at #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 I hope Julien can instill more of an edge to the play of the team... and not let them continue to be one of the softest (if not the softest) teams in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 2 hours ago, ramcharger440 said: I think a player like Petry will benefit a lot from this change! he should have the green light to carry the puck now and Beau will possibly come out of his shell as well. I wonder if we could have hired Julien last year whether Subban would still be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 35 minutes ago, habs1952 said: I wonder if we could have hired Julien last year whether Subban would still be here. I'm pretty sure we'd still have him IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted February 15, 2017 Report Share Posted February 15, 2017 39 minutes ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: I hope Julien can instill more of an edge to the play of the team... and not let them continue to be one of the softest (if not the softest) teams in the NHL. CJ over MT is like night & day in that regard. We now have a coach who can think strategically and who will also stand up for the players over bad officiating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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