BigTed3 Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 2 hours ago, maas_art said: Im not saying who is right or wrong but someone from the Montreal side said this was untrue - that they offered Rad this exact contract several days earlier & he then went to Dallas & asked them to match it. Both sides have reason to lie so I dont know who's telling the truth but i do know this: Radulov was a key part of this team last year. Maybe Drouin is going to be better (and between the 2, id actually pick Drouin) but we also lost our #1 defensman prospect... and it just so happens that our #1 need is a puck moving LD defensman. Bergevin let Radu walk, fine. He replaced the hole left by Radu with Drouin, fine. But he needs to fill the hole left by losing Sergachev. Maybe you cant do that exactly (you arent getting a guy that young most likely) but at least bring in someone who can play next to Weber. Alzner is not that guy. I don't know who's lying either, but someone clearly is. What doesn't help Bergevin in this case: 1. He's been caught lying to fans before on multiple occasions (Carey will be back soon! I will not trade PK! I will not trade Sergachev! etc.). 2. A few insiders (forget who) reported (before Radulov signed with Dallas) that he wanted 5-6 years and that Montreal's max offer was for 4 years, which is consistent with Radulov's statement. Radulov really did seem to love playing here, although I don't know if his impression changed with a new coach or with the Russian contingent being shipped out. Who knows. He said Weber was a big part of his choosing to play here and that didn't change. On the other hand, we do know Radulov apparently felt this was his last chance to cash in on a long-term contract, so he definitely had reason to go to Dallas with lower taxes... just less clear why he would lie about Bergevin's offer. Regardless of who's lying and telling the truth, this whole situation just doesn't paint MB in a very good light. It makes players question whether they can push him around in negotiations, it makes players question how good Bergevin's word is, and it makes them wonder if MB will call them out in public if they disagree. Maybe the Habs are telling the truth, it just doesn't look good for them to have this issue no matter what the truth is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 Francis Bouillon, who has been working with the team in an unofficial capacity, has officially been named player development coach with the organization. The former Habs defenceman has been working at development camp all week. There were other changes to existing members of the development team as well. Rob Ramage, who was player development coach now becomes the director of player development. Martin Lapointe who was director of player development now becomes the director of player personnel and Vincent Riendeau who was the St. John’s IceCaps assistant general manager now becomes the director of goalie development and will assist in pro scouting. Lapointe takes over the position from Trevor Timmins who was promoted to assistant general manager. Timmins was the vice president of player personnel previously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 1 hour ago, kinot-2 said: Francis Bouillon, who has been working with the team in an unofficial capacity, has officially been named player development coach with the organization. Fitting since most of our D-men in the minors are pylons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 1 hour ago, kinot-2 said: Trevor Timmins who was promoted to assistant general manager. hrm. I wonder how TT would do without the "assistant" part in front of his title. I trust his instincts on players & player development/assessment much more than the guy above him.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habberwacky Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 13 minutes ago, maas_art said: hrm. I wonder how TT would do without the "assistant" part in front of his title. I trust his instincts on players & player development/assessment much more than the guy above him.... Not sure TT is crazy enough to go there in this town. So we get rid of our best play making defenders and hire a play making defender as our new player development guy. I think Bouillion will help a lot with that process. Bergevin's got to start getting some young guns out of the minors if he is going to cover these big contracts coming up like Pacoretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 50 minutes ago, Habberwacky said: So we get rid of our best play making defenders and hire a play making defender as our new player development guy. I wasn't aware we had done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldag Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 4 hours ago, kinot-2 said: Francis Bouillon, who has been working with the team in an unofficial capacity, has officially been named player development coach with the organization. The former Habs defenceman has been working at development camp all week. There were other changes to existing members of the development team as well. Rob Ramage, who was player development coach now becomes the director of player development. Martin Lapointe who was director of player development now becomes the director of player personnel and Vincent Riendeau who was the St. John’s IceCaps assistant general manager now becomes the director of goalie development and will assist in pro scouting. Lapointe takes over the position from Trevor Timmins who was promoted to assistant general manager. Timmins was the vice president of player personnel previously. Okay men .... now I'm going to need you to re-arrange these deck chairs! Ignore that approaching iceberg ..... let's get this done !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habberwacky Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 2 hours ago, habs_93 said: I wasn't aware we had done that. Okay I may have taken some liberties with Mr. Bouillion's offensive abilities, but when you compare it to who we have now he is not far from looking like Orr. 6 minutes ago, eldag said: Okay men .... now I'm going to need you to re-arrange these deck chairs! Ignore that approaching iceberg ..... let's get this done !!!!!! I like this move, if for no other reason than it gives me a better view of the iceberg. Is Bergevin starting to acknowledge he may be getting a little to close and has started to do a little navel (naval) gazing. I think he has done well up front but we may be a little to stern on the backend. If he is not careful he may find himself going down with the ship. Okay I'm done. Smooth sailing ahead. Bouillion obviously had some Titanic references that were hard to pass up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted July 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Habberwacky said: Okay I may have taken some liberties with Mr. Bouillion's offensive abilities, but when you compare it to who we have now he is not far from looking like Orr. Mind you, I'm sure the organization didn't hire Bouillon to have him make the defensive prospects play exactly like he did. At least I hope not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 2 hours ago, habs_93 said: Mind you, I'm sure the organization didn't hire Bouillon to have him make the defensive prospects play exactly like he did. At least I hope not. You'd think. But then again, Bergevin thinks the ideal defenceman plays the game the way he did. So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted July 6, 2017 Report Share Posted July 6, 2017 At least Timmins has moved one step closer to taking over MB's job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 Before free agency, Marc Bergevin told the media "expect the unexpected" but thus far he's signed Alzner (widely expected to have considered the Habs his first choice) and a bunch of role players. He failed to sign Radulov, he hasn't brought back Markov, and he has a ton of cap space but no apparent plan to use it. So what exactly is the "unexpected" or has Bergevin lied to us yet again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted July 15, 2017 Report Share Posted July 15, 2017 On 05/07/2017 at 0:59 PM, habs1952 said: Fitting since most of our D-men in the minors are pylons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 On 7/14/2017 at 6:05 PM, BigTed3 said: Before free agency, Marc Bergevin told the media "expect the unexpected"... So what exactly is the "unexpected" Maybe that he had no plan and his signings would be terrible? I mean I think most of us expected that, but maybe he thinks we didnt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 12 hours ago, maas_art said: Maybe that he had no plan and his signings would be terrible? I mean I think most of us expected that, but maybe he thinks we didnt? So you're saying Bergevin planned on having a terrible off-season and then thought it would be funny to joke about it? MB's summer has been pretty brutal thus far. He made a decent trade for Drouin but he really had two jobs this summer: one was to find at least one if not two top 6 centers (or else admit that AG needs to play there the entire season); two was to find a puck-moving LH defenceman who can play next to Weber. He has done neither, and while I like the Drouin trade in isolation, he has given up one of our only assets that was capable of fetching us a player to fill the above holes without actually filling the holes. He lost Radulov. He dumped Beaulieu for essentially nothing. He might have lost Markov. And the replacements he has tacked on (Schlemko, Jerabek, Alzner) are lesser players than the ones he's given up. If he makes no further changes, you have to believe the roster we're starting with this season is weaker than the one we began with last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Everybody I'm talking to says we're screwed thanks to MB's decisions. The beginning of the end started with the Subban trade. Now here we sit no further ahead. We gained Drouin & lost Radulov. Our present offence and our pylon-style defence will not win us the Cup, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habberwacky Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Not sure if I see this off season as anything but positive (excluding the Alzner deal). With the signing of Galchenyuk Montreal has the potential of having two young superstars and a top goaltender in the line-up for at least 3 years. I like the investment in Drouin and what we signed him for. It would have been nice to get Rads back but Bergy was a bit hamstrung as he had to make an offer to Markov. I do not think Radulov will be as effective in Dallas nor would I have given him the term so based on what I know I think that was a good move. Radulov will let us know by his play over the next few years if that was a mistake. We will soon see if Beauileu can be effective and I need to reserve judgement until I see what he signs for. I will be very surprised if he sees a lot of top 4 minutes (may be their #4 for now) in Buffalo over the next two years. Bergevin did not really have the cap space to keep him and may have traded him for a third because he placed higher value on him and would get the added bonus of losing Emelin's 4 million if he was picked in the expansion draft. If that was the rationale it worked although Vegas was able to get a third for Emelin too. My analysis of what he has done with our blue line is reserved until I see Bergevin's ability to sign Markov. I like the signing of Jerabek (by the amount he signed for he could just as easily end up in Laval) and the fact he has been able to go after some of these European league players. Hopefully it works out better than the Sekac move and if it works out as good as the Rad move well I think a lot of things will soon be forgotten. Alzner was a little more expensive than I liked but makes us a little younger and he should be able to fill Emelin's shoes. So I like the experience we have picked up on the backend and the fact we got a third round pick for a Dman who may not be more than a #5 or 6. I like the Drouin move as he should be fun to watch. I think we have much tougher competition on this team for roster spots which will only make us better and I think we have more resources to trade and expect to see some moves or signings in the fall (we have a lot of money this year). I am torn about Markov as not signing him may mean he has a great year somewhere else and we regret it, but long term it is actually a pretty low risk move to let him go now. I think at this point we are younger and slightly better going into this year with two potential superstar forwards locked up and a fairly similar backend (a little better with Markov). What will make the difference for me is Plekanec and his 6 millon reasons to have a great year and our prospects. We need some young players to start to push some of our veterans. I am thinking of Scherbak, Hudon and Carr in particular. They have the potential to challenge for top 6 roles. If they cannot make the jump here I expect one or two of them to be traded, especially Scherbak. If Plekanec can have another year like last year without being challenged for his job we are in trouble. Another nice surprise would be Reway getting better. Hopefully he is well enough to make Laval in the fall and continues to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Habberwacky said: Not sure if I see this off season as anything but positive (excluding the Alzner deal). With the signing of Galchenyuk Montreal has the potential of having two young superstars and a top goaltender in the line-up for at least 3 years. I like the investment in Drouin and what we signed him for. It would have been nice to get Rads back but Bergy was a bit hamstrung as he had to make an offer to Markov. I do not think Radulov will be as effective in Dallas nor would I have given him the term so based on what I know I think that was a good move. Radulov will let us know by his play over the next few years if that was a mistake. We will soon see if Beauileu can be effective and I need to reserve judgement until I see what he signs for. I will be very surprised if he sees a lot of top 4 minutes (may be their #4 for now) in Buffalo over the next two years. Bergevin did not really have the cap space to keep him and may have traded him for a third because he placed higher value on him and would get the added bonus of losing Emelin's 4 million if he was picked in the expansion draft. If that was the rationale it worked although Vegas was able to get a third for Emelin too. My analysis of what he has done with our blue line is reserved until I see Bergevin's ability to sign Markov. I like the signing of Jerabek (by the amount he signed for he could just as easily end up in Laval) and the fact he has been able to go after some of these European league players. Hopefully it works out better than the Sekac move and if it works out as good as the Rad move well I think a lot of things will soon be forgotten. Alzner was a little more expensive than I liked but makes us a little younger and he should be able to fill Emelin's shoes. So I like the experience we have picked up on the backend and the fact we got a third round pick for a Dman who may not be more than a #5 or 6. I like the Drouin move as he should be fun to watch. I think we have much tougher competition on this team for roster spots which will only make us better and I think we have more resources to trade and expect to see some moves or signings in the fall (we have a lot of money this year). I am torn about Markov as not signing him may mean he has a great year somewhere else and we regret it, but long term it is actually a pretty low risk move to let him go now. I think at this point we are younger and slightly better going into this year with two potential superstar forwards locked up and a fairly similar backend (a little better with Markov). What will make the difference for me is Plekanec and his 6 millon reasons to have a great year and our prospects. We need some young players to start to push some of our veterans. I am thinking of Scherbak, Hudon and Carr in particular. They have the potential to challenge for top 6 roles. If they cannot make the jump here I expect one or two of them to be traded, especially Scherbak. If Plekanec can have another year like last year without being challenged for his job we are in trouble. Another nice surprise would be Reway getting better. Hopefully he is well enough to make Laval in the fall and continues to improve. Personally, I would have kept Beaulieu, signed Radulov and let Markov walk. As for Scherbak, Hudon and Carr, if they can't crack our dismal offense I can't see them being very attractive to another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habberwacky Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 14 minutes ago, habs1952 said: Personally, I would have kept Beaulieu, signed Radulov and let Markov walk. As for Scherbak, Hudon and Carr, if they can't crack our dismal offense I can't see them being very attractive to another team. Funny that Markov had 6 fewer assists and 18 fewer points than Radulov in 14 fewer games. He was quite productive, but I would not give him too big of an investment. I think there is still value in Scherbak just like there was in Beaulieu, but we would be better off if some of these youngsters could play. I would have preferred Rad over Plecky too. Hopefully Plecky returns in good form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 Nick Holden may be available from the Rangers. HE'S ONLY 30 YEARS OLD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted July 26, 2017 Report Share Posted July 26, 2017 42 minutes ago, habs1952 said: Nick Holden may be available from the Rangers. HE'S ONLY 30 YEARS OLD! Actually, he's not too shabby. 6'4", 210#, 11G, 23A, 80 GP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 8 hours ago, kinot-2 said: Actually, he's not too shabby. 6'4", 210#, 11G, 23A, 80 GP. But is he old enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 16 minutes ago, habs1952 said: But is he old enough? A few years ago, we were Smurfs,,,, now we're pensioners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikz_77 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Nick Holden would be a good addition. Maybe even Jagr, if he's cheap? I think at one point Pleks was telling him to come here to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 2 hours ago, Vikz_77 said: Nick Holden would be a good addition. Maybe even Jagr, if he's cheap? I think at one point Pleks was telling him to come here to play. MB didn't want him a few years ago (although he should have), so, he won't want him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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