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10 minutes ago, maas_art said:

There's some good #3-6 guys but I am not convinced any of the dmen in our system are legit threats to be top pairing guys.   At least with Sergachev we had a pretty good chance at one.  Now our cupboards are bare for the first pairing.  I sure hope the rumours of us trying to acquire Sanheim are true.

You could be right, but it's really hard to say. Sometimes you don't quite know what you've got till you get it. A lot of players in the league that aren't exactly what they were expected to be (Duncan Keith, for example). And well, sometimes it can go the other way too.

But all of the guy's I'm thinking of seem to at least have skating and mobility, good first pass and IQ going for them, even if not the most impressive numbers. One name that does stand out though is Bourque, he seems to have some offensive snap to his game.

Like I said, hard to say. there is definitely no obvious prospects, but I'm still holding on to hope.

As for Sanheim. I read something about that too, but the article I was in suggested it would cost us Patches, that seem a little steep to you?

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4 hours ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

There can be no arguing with that, all have been either traded or just not resigned (or in Emelin's case, left unprotected).

That said, besides Suban and Markov and maybe Beaulieu, are there any that we actually miss? I think that some level of purging has to be expected any time there is a turnover at the upper levels of management. That doesn't mean that I am happy, or agree with every move (or non-move) that has been made, just that it's not that surprising, nor alarming, to see a GM turnover an entire defense over the course of 5 years. Are we better or worse off for it? Who knows? But I guess we'll find out soon enough...

On a positive note, we do have a descent handful of prospects in that department that should be knocking at the door before we know it.

I do find it alarming. It means we either draft poorly or we develop players poorly. Not having any or very few of your own draft picks playing for your team has to tell you there is a big problem somewhere. An entire defense shouldn't need to turned over in 5 years if your picking/teaching the right way. 

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5 hours ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

On a positive note, we do have a descent handful of prospects in that department that should be knocking at the door before we know it.

We do ?

What happened to the last decent handful of prospects

 

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7 hours ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

As for Sanheim. I read something about that too, but the article I was in suggested it would cost us Patches, that seem a little steep to you?

I think it depends who the other players are.   If its Sanheim for Patches straight up, no thanks, not interested.  If it's Sanheim + a top six forward for Patches + pick or non core player, im definitely considering it.   We would almost certainly downgrade up front losing Patches but the hope is that Galchenyuk & Drouin will take steps forward and the new top 6 forward will at least fill into one of those roles.  Then Sanheim rounds out our top pairing and makes our defense look a lot better overall.   As much as Id hate to lose Patch now, i think when his contract is up its going to cost us.. a lot. 

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18 hours ago, MALMACIAN_CRUNCH said:

You could be right, but it's really hard to say. Sometimes you don't quite know what you've got till you get it. A lot of players in the league that aren't exactly what they were expected to be (Duncan Keith, for example). And well, sometimes it can go the other way too.

But all of the guy's I'm thinking of seem to at least have skating and mobility, good first pass and IQ going for them, even if not the most impressive numbers. One name that does stand out though is Bourque, he seems to have some offensive snap to his game.

Like I said, hard to say. there is definitely no obvious prospects, but I'm still holding on to hope.

As for Sanheim. I read something about that too, but the article I was in suggested it would cost us Patches, that seem a little steep to you?

With D-men it's hard to tell Subban Doughty were both 2nd rounders along with a lot of other top d-men.

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58 minutes ago, habs1952 said:

Which is why , when you find a gem, you keep him.

So Subban for Weber , then Surgachev for Drouin  leaves them bare on D .

Now some supposed rumour is Max for a guy named Sanheim , who to be  honest Ive never heard of .

Sure make the deal , then weaken your forward position by adding some guy who may or may not make it to the big league . With SL as coach the kid doesn't stand a chance

Should have kept Subban and Surgachec and got rid of MT a long time ago

 

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1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

Now some supposed rumour is Max for a guy named Sanheim , who to be  honest Ive never heard of .

Sanheim is very good - but the only way we make a deal for him (with either Max or AG going the other way) is if its Sanheim + a top 6 forward.  Problem is, I suspect that forward is Giroux - who is still a solid top 6 guy but he's got an $8m+ cap hit for 5 more years... which he likely wont come close to earning. 

If we make that deal, we're probably better this year... maybe next, but thats it. We're in big trouble after that, and im not sure our 'window' is even open with the defense MB has constructed. 

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13 hours ago, maas_art said:

Sanheim is very good - but the only way we make a deal for him (with either Max or AG going the other way) is if its Sanheim + a top 6 forward.  Problem is, I suspect that forward is Giroux - who is still a solid top 6 guy but he's got an $8m+ cap hit for 5 more years... which he likely wont come close to earning. 

If we make that deal, we're probably better this year... maybe next, but thats it. We're in big trouble after that, and im not sure our 'window' is even open with the defense MB has constructed. 

The Hab's 'window'

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5 hours ago, habs1952 said:

The Hab's 'window'

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That's pretty much it for us so far: Unfortunately the Laffs are the organization to watch right now, they recently reorganized from the top to the bottom, plus wrote a public letter of commitment to their fans. Our current organization under its current ownership and management has ostracized, ridiculed and ignored us as fans IMO. Perfect pic to illustrate the point.

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11 minutes ago, Habs=stanleycup said:

That's pretty much it for us so far: Unfortunately the Laffs are the organization to watch right now, they recently reorganized from the top to the bottom, plus wrote a public letter of commitment to their fans. Our current organization under its current ownership and management has ostracized, ridiculed and ignored us as fans IMO. Perfect pic to illustrate the point.

We keep pointing to the Leafs as the ideal role model. Really????  They've screwed over their fans for 5 decades and are about to do so again shortly with the ridiculous contracts they keep handing out to guys like Marleau. Where are they going to find the money to sign these promising kids they've acquired, thanks to sucking forever? I'm sorry, but i just can't get on the newest Leaf bandwagon. That organization has been the poorest example of how to run a franchise for decades.  They'll always be at the bottom of the scum barrel in my books.

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17 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

We keep pointing to the Leafs as the ideal role model. Really????  They've screwed over their fans for 5 decades and are about to do so again shortly with the ridiculous contracts they keep handing out to guys like Marleau. Where are they going to find the money to sign these promising kids they've acquired, thanks to sucking forever? I'm sorry, but i just can't get on the newest Leaf bandwagon. That organization has been the poorest example of how to run a franchise for decades.  They'll always be at the bottom of the scum barrel in my books.

Yeah im not sold on the leafs yet and wont be until they actually win something.  They've said and done at lot of the right things but it doesnt mean squat if you cant follow through.  We shall see what happens but for now I dont know they are miles ahead of us.  They definitely have a much better and deeper prospect pool but the end goal is always the cup, so lets see who gets there first.   If we dont do it soon (read: the next 2  - 3 years) i suspect they will beat us to it. 

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

We keep pointing to the Leafs as the ideal role model. Really????  They've screwed over their fans for 5 decades and are about to do so again shortly with the ridiculous contracts they keep handing out to guys like Marleau. Where are they going to find the money to sign these promising kids they've acquired, thanks to sucking forever? I'm sorry, but i just can't get on the newest Leaf bandwagon. That organization has been the poorest example of how to run a franchise for decades.  They'll always be at the bottom of the scum barrel in my books.

Please do not misunderstand my criticism of my own team. I am hoping it is constructive criticism, perhaps enough as to effect a major change which I feel we so badly need. 

I am NOT a Laffs fan nor will I ever be. 

I think that what one needs to look at objectively is that hockey these days and the way teams are built to be successful has changed dramatically. If the Laffs organization have happened to tapp into the perfect storm for themselves then we should learn from it. Yes, over time they have been the poorest example of how to run a franchise for decades, however (Certainly a public letter to the fans from the organization and a commitment to improve is a good start).

 

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22 hours ago, habs1952 said:

I do find it alarming. It means we either draft poorly or we develop players poorly. Not having any or very few of your own draft picks playing for your team has to tell you there is a big problem somewhere. An entire defense shouldn't need to turned over in 5 years if your picking/teaching the right way.

Absolutely, I would love to have a few more homegrown talents occupying full time positions. But were getting there. It's taking a little more time with the defense, but them's the breaks with defense, takes a couple more years to develop. One knock on MB, I do wish he had drafted up a few more defensemen earlier on. few and far between, those were. But that area of the draft has been better over the past three or so years. 

21 hours ago, Regis22 said:

We do ?

What happened to the last decent handful of prospects

A fair question. I would also add to it "who were they?" 

It's been a long, long time since we had a truly solid farm system.

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5 minutes ago, HabsRuleForever said:

This has to be a joke right?    I mean of all of Therrien's faults... and there are plenty.... player assessment is pretty near the top of his biggest failings.... so we're going to have him go out and assess future players?

I smell sandpaper and truculence in our future. 

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