Regis22 Posted December 23, 2017 Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 4 hours ago, BigTed3 said: .... not sure why you think we have no chance and I completely disagree that any team can just go out and sign him. Elite players seldom become UFA's and when they do they never sign with Montreal. We had this exact same discussion with Stamkos a couple of yr ago and look where that ended up. JT's going to want a lot ( $ 9 , $ 10 m ) then you have CP and SW salaries and then MP is going to want the same . and your stuck with 4 guys making $40 m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted December 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2017 57 minutes ago, Regis22 said: Elite players seldom become UFA's and when they do they never sign with Montreal. We had this exact same discussion with Stamkos a couple of yr ago and look where that ended up. JT's going to want a lot ( $ 9 , $ 10 m ) then you have CP and SW salaries and then MP is going to want the same . and your stuck with 4 guys making $40 m Sure, elite players usually stay with their old teams. But not always. Brad Richards jumped ship. Marian Hossa jumped ship a couple of times. Other guys have done it too. When was the last time Chicago signed a UFA star before Hossa chose them? Like I said, I think JT is most likely to stay in Long Island, but IF he moves, why not us? The media seemed to indicate that IF Stamkos had left Tampa, Montreal and Toronto were near the top of his list. I am by no means saying he will come to Montreal. But I think you're being overly negative to suggest that every single team has the same shot at signing him. IF he chooses to leave the Isles, I think there are maybe 8-10 teams that could realistically afford to pay him, be enticing as a city/fanbase, give him the opportunity to be the clear 1C, and have the desire to sign him. I don't think he has any significant chance of going to Phx, Col, Van, LV, Fla, Ott, Buf, Pit, Car, Edm, Det, etc. and I think a number of other teams have much lower odds than us. As for the money, we are sitting on a ton of cap space already, the cap is going up, and we're getting out of Plekanec's cap hit next season. There will be money for JT. If you sign him and you don't want to spend 40M on 4 players, it will be pretty easy to trade Pacioretty for younger, cheaper players and I still think you can explore the option of trading Shea Weber too. Tavares is a more significant player than either of those guys, and if you get the chance to sign JT, you do it and then make the rest fit afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted December 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 FWIW... - Elliotte Friedman reporting Anthony Duclair still available and actively being shopped - Chris Kreider pulled from NYR bench during game. No injury announced. Speculation he could be on block. - John Carlson didn't come out to bench for Washington game. Also no clear injury announced yet. - Trade freeze lifts at midnight tonight, so lots of speculation there could be players being moved or at least in discussion to be moved. Doesn't sound like Habs are in on anything, but we know Bergevin is desperate to find a trade partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 31 minutes ago, BigTed3 said: ...... but we know Bergevin is desperate to find a trade partner. That's the scary part. The season is toast he should be unloading players and re building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted December 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Just now, Regis22 said: That's the scary part. The season is toast he should be unloading players and re building Yup. I'm not against Kreider on our team, but I feel like we'd lose any trade we make for him... kind of like the Weber trade. We'd almost certainly be giving up someone younger and/or more skilled to get the bigger-body crasher in Kreider. I'd also love to see John Carlson here, but he's an impending UFA, and we shouldn't be a team looking to trade for rentals right now. It's just going to waste assets. Bergevin needs to be looking at bringing in younger D men or centers who are already very good or who can potentially be elite in the coming years... Sanheim, Hanifin, Vilimaki, McKinnon, Dubois, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldag Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 36 minutes ago, Regis22 said: That's the scary part. The season is toast he should be unloading players and re building Allowing Bergevin to make any moves is scary with all the lousy players and/or contracts other GM’s will dangle in front of him! There is blood in the water and Bergevin is the perfect chum to be thrown into the chop to attract a great white ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Elliotte Freidman suggesting that Pittsburgh is looking at ways to free up cap space & they may try to trade Letang to do so. His injury history worries me more than his age (he's only averaged about 55 games a season). He's 30, signed for 4 more years, so its not a horrible contract assuming we dont have to give up much to get him. Letang-Weber would be a solid first pairing but we'd still have to address the gaping #1C hole. I certainly wouldnt trade anyone under 26-27 to get Letang (Ie No Galchenuk for KL) but if Pittsburgh was willing to move him for something we dont need (Byron + ?, Alzner + ?) in order to free up space? Id do it. Worst case you could probably flip KL in the coming years as part of a rebuild and maybe you'd have a couple of good years out of your top pairing. I just dont see MB going into a much-needed rebuild mode right now. This trade couldn't be "it." though. You'd have to do a Pacioretty for RNH deal or similar. If you do that, our team looks a lot better. Maybe we even compete for the playoffs this year if you did it soon enough. But im not sure that even with those additions we'd be good enough to go past the first round. Drouin - RNH - Lehkonen Hudon - Galchenyuk - Gallagher Carr - Danault - Scherbak Deslauriers(Byron if not traded) - Plekanec - Shaw Letang - Weber Schlemko - Petry Mete - JJ - Benn Thats a roster that makes the playoffs (even as far out as we are, in our horrible division I think we squeak in), has a chance to win a round or two, and has a few pieces that could be used in a rebuild in a year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 14 hours ago, BigTed3 said: FWIW... - Chris Kreider pulled from NYR bench during game. No injury announced. Speculation he could be on block. New York Rangers forward Chris Kreider will be sidelined indefinitely after being diagnosed with a blood clot in his right arm, the team announced Thursday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 2 minutes ago, kinot-2 said: New York Rangers forward Chris Kreider will be sidelined indefinitely after being diagnosed with a blood clot in his right arm, the team announced Thursday. Feel sorry for him (blot clots suck} but thank god we're not trading one of our young guys for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, maas_art said: Elliotte Freidman suggesting that Pittsburgh is looking at ways to free up cap space & they may try to trade Letang to do so. His injury history worries me more than his age (he's only averaged about 55 games a season). He's 30, signed for 4 more years, so its not a horrible contract assuming we dont have to give up much to get him. Letang-Weber would be a solid first pairing but has this team's window not already closed? I certainly wouldnt trade anyone under 26-27 to get Letang (Ie No Galchenuk for KL) but if Pittsburgh was willing to move him for something we dont need (Byron + Juulsen) in order to free up space? Id do it. . Also from Friedman: "Not surprisingly, there was a lot of Montreal conjecture after Letang’s name was reported. I could see a trade match and do believe the Canadiens are on his list of clubs he can go to. Adding him means they would have almost $27 million per season tied up in Karl Alzner, Letang, Jeff Petry and Shea Weber for the next three seasons (barring other moves). Petry’s contract would be the first to expire, in July 2021. That’s a lot of financial concentration on the blue line." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 3 minutes ago, kinot-2 said: . Also from Friedman: "Not surprisingly, there was a lot of Montreal conjecture after Letang’s name was reported. I could see a trade match and do believe the Canadiens are on his list of clubs he can go to. Adding him means they would have almost $27 million per season tied up in Karl Alzner, Letang, Jeff Petry and Shea Weber for the next three seasons (barring other moves). Petry’s contract would be the first to expire, in July 2021. That’s a lot of financial concentration on the blue line." It is but obviously we can absorb it this year. I think between now & start of 2018-19 you'd have to do a lot of leg work to get out from under Alzner's contract. Weber-Letang-Petry as your top 3 is enviable and I dont think too costly, especially with guys like Mete, Schlemko, JJ, Juulsen etc on ELCs or inexpensive deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 4 minutes ago, maas_art said: It is but obviously we can absorb it this year. I think between now & start of 2018-19 you'd have to do a lot of leg work to get out from under Alzner's contract. Weber-Letang-Petry as your top 3 is enviable and I dont think too costly, especially with guys like Mete, Schlemko, JJ, Juulsen etc on ELCs or inexpensive deals. You're right, I forgot about the cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 Per Elliotte Friedman, the #Coyotes are looking to give Anthony Duclair a fresh start somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted December 28, 2017 Report Share Posted December 28, 2017 1 hour ago, kinot-2 said: Per Elliotte Friedman, the #Coyotes are looking to give Anthony Duclair a fresh start somewhere else. Young, skilled, French, not a left winger... bring him on lol. As long as the price wasnt too steep id be fine with adding him. Im not giving up a major piece though because we need to use one of those guys to get a #1C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldag Posted December 29, 2017 Report Share Posted December 29, 2017 6 hours ago, kinot-2 said: . Also from Friedman: "Not surprisingly, there was a lot of Montreal conjecture after Letang’s name was reported. I could see a trade match and do believe the Canadiens are on his list of clubs he can go to. Adding him means they would have almost $27 million per season tied up in Karl Alzner, Letang, Jeff Petry and Shea Weber for the next three seasons (barring other moves). Petry’s contract would be the first to expire, in July 2021. That’s a lot of financial concentration on the blue line." Friedman is being sarcastic meaning Montreal is the only team stupid enough to trade for Letang. Hey .... maybe if we can get Kreider for cheap and Letang comes from Pitt Bergevin could call the two trades his "Crash Cart" strategy to kick start the Habnots ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted January 1, 2018 Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 FWIW: "Sportnet’s Nick Kypreos dropped a major bomb on Saturday night when he said that Marc Bergevin is actively trying to trade captain Max Pacioretty." And,,, "Jean-Charles Lajoie sent out a very interesting tweet. The colorful radio host said that owner Geoff Molson must stop Bergevn from making a trade right now because the team has more urgent needs than trying move Pacioretty at this time. Although Lajoie did not indicate which decisions should be made first, but the possibilities include firing Bergevin, replacing Claude Julien or hiring a better scouting staff in order to get a better return of Pacioretty if they do indeed decide to trade him. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted January 1, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, kinot-2 said: FWIW: "Sportnet’s Nick Kypreos dropped a major bomb on Saturday night when he said that Marc Bergevin is actively trying to trade captain Max Pacioretty." And,,, "Jean-Charles Lajoie sent out a very interesting tweet. The colorful radio host said that owner Geoff Molson must stop Bergevn from making a trade right now because the team has more urgent needs than trying move Pacioretty at this time. Although Lajoie did not indicate which decisions should be made first, but the possibilities include firing Bergevin, replacing Claude Julien or hiring a better scouting staff in order to get a better return of Pacioretty if they do indeed decide to trade him. " We don't need to trade Max now, but we should do it before the start of next year. We can't afford to pay him a long-term deal, as his trade value immediately plummets with one. As for the rest, the Habs' pro scouting staff is either the worst in the league or Bergevin isn't listening to them. But either way, you can't believe players like King, Ott, Nesterov, Martinsen, Flynn, Alzner, Schlemko, Morrow, Deslauriers, Froese, Niemi, and so on are useful additions and be good at your job. Almost all of Bergevin's recent acquisitions have been dreadful. That's on someone. Bergevin, yes. But you wonder how many other people supported those moves too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 On 1/1/2018 at 8:48 AM, BigTed3 said: We don't need to trade Max now, but we should do it before the start of next year. We can't afford to pay him a long-term deal, as his trade value immediately plummets with one. Agreed. If the right deal comes along, fine but I think you'll get equal value - maybe even more - at the draft when teams have openings on their roster. Only exception would be a team that is "all in" for this year, but there arent many of those. There have been rumours that the Blues are very interested in Patches. Im not sure they have what we need in terms of payment though. I mean id be very interested in nabbing a guy like Vince Dunn but he's an unproven commodity so you'd have to add a bonefide roster player too for a guy like Patches. Schenn for example, but St Louis doesnt have the centre depth of a team like Edmonton. I have no interest in Stasny or any of their wingers. So while they could probably put together a competitve package for Patches, I dont see that they can fill our needs for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 22 minutes ago, maas_art said: Agreed. If the right deal comes along, fine but I think you'll get equal value - maybe even more - at the draft when teams have openings on their roster. Only exception would be a team that is "all in" for this year, but there arent many of those. There have been rumours that the Blues are very interested in Patches. Im not sure they have what we need in terms of payment though. I mean id be very interested in nabbing a guy like Vince Dunn but he's an unproven commodity so you'd have to add a bonefide roster player too for a guy like Patches. Schenn for example, but St Louis doesnt have the centre depth of a team like Edmonton. I have no interest in Stasny or any of their wingers. So while they could probably put together a competitve package for Patches, I dont see that they can fill our needs for him. Exactly why MB would give serious thought to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 someone on a leafs site laid out this brilliant plan on why they should acquire Pacioretty and then suggested this haul for us: This would be my package to the Canadiens: Josh Leivo (3rd line RW... middle skill winger... yeah, exactly what we need) Connor Carrick (Potential top 4 dman but he's a RD! Not what we need) Travis Dermott (Young puck-moving LD. Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Totally unproven but has a good shot at being a top4, maybe top pairing... but not for a few years) Frederick Gauthier (Young #3 or #4 line defensive centre) Bracco or Brooks (DD v2.0 or Shaw v2.0) Two second round picks (or a 1st and a 3rd) What a ridiculous offer. I mean the picks are nice but you're asking for the 5th leading goal scorer - in the league - over the past 5 years for a whole bunch of spare parts plus one high end prospect. Thank god even MB isnt that nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted January 2, 2018 Report Share Posted January 2, 2018 57 minutes ago, maas_art said: someone on a leafs site laid out this brilliant plan on why they should acquire Pacioretty and then suggested this haul for us: This would be my package to the Canadiens: Josh Leivo (3rd line RW... middle skill winger... yeah, exactly what we need) Connor Carrick (Potential top 4 dman but he's a RD! Not what we need) Travis Dermott (Young puck-moving LD. Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Totally unproven but has a good shot at being a top4, maybe top pairing... but not for a few years) Frederick Gauthier (Young #3 or #4 line defensive centre) Bracco or Brooks (DD v2.0 or Shaw v2.0) Two second round picks (or a 1st and a 3rd) What a ridiculous offer. I mean the picks are nice but you're asking for the 5th leading goal scorer - in the league - over the past 5 years for a whole bunch of spare parts plus one high end prospect. Thank god even MB isnt that nuts. Don't bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlk Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, maas_art said: someone on a leafs site laid out this brilliant plan on why they should acquire Pacioretty and then suggested this haul for us: This would be my package to the Canadiens: Josh Leivo (3rd line RW... middle skill winger... yeah, exactly what we need) Connor Carrick (Potential top 4 dman but he's a RD! Not what we need) Travis Dermott (Young puck-moving LD. Ok, now we're getting somewhere. Totally unproven but has a good shot at being a top4, maybe top pairing... but not for a few years) Frederick Gauthier (Young #3 or #4 line defensive centre) Bracco or Brooks (DD v2.0 or Shaw v2.0) Two second round picks (or a 1st and a 3rd) What a ridiculous offer. I mean the picks are nice but you're asking for the 5th leading goal scorer - in the league - over the past 5 years for a whole bunch of spare parts plus one high end prospect. Thank god even MB isnt that nuts. this is exactly what MB would be after, fringe 3rd 4th liners, spare defence, and picks to throw out the window with our awesome development program Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 3 hours ago, jwlk said: this is exactly what MB would be after, fringe 3rd 4th liners, spare defence, and picks to throw out the window with our awesome development program We have a development program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketbelifleur Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, habs1952 said: We have a development program? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted January 3, 2018 Report Share Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, habs1952 said: We have a development program? We developed Sergachev, Subban , McDonagh , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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