2017-18 The Rumors Thread

[maas_art]

1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

There's no doubt Bergevin loves Dubois. He apparently tried very hard to trade up for him at the draft and might have had a deal with the Oilers to take him at #4 until Clb jumped in and surprised everyone by taking him at #3. He's a great target right now, because he's definitely got #1 center potential but isn't quite there yet. It remains to be seen if Clb would consider dealing him though. I don't think we have a prospect as good as him, so whatever we trade them would have to make them better right away. The article cites Galchenyuk as being one target, although I wonder if a young Finn like Lehkonen could be a player of interest to Jarmo Kekaleinen, who maybe knows him a bit better than most. I have zero interest in Johnson and really hope he's not a player being discussed. They do, however, have a number of great young defencemen, and it would be fantastic if Bergevin could somehow convince Clb that Shea Weber would be of more use to them for their playoff runs than what they have...

So something like...

Galchenyuk, Lehkonen, Weber, and Was's 2nd round pick 2018

FOR

Dubois, Seth Jones, and a 4th round pick

 

Your trade makes sense for both teams (although I wish we could swap in someone like Byron for Lehkonen) as columbus has a genuine shot now & that should frankly help them in the short term.  Like you, I feel like they would be trying to flip us Johnson.

So while i much prefer your idea, I could see us dealing:
Pacioretty + Benn

for 

Dubois + Johnson

Which I could still live with. if we had to include another top forward like Galchenyuk id want more than Johnson coming back on the blueline. 

[jeff33]

https://world.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/report-coyotes-set-their-asking-price-for-ekman-larsson

and here is a piece about what the coyotes would want for OEL. 2 high end fwds and a first.

would patch and a 1st do it? I love OEL, that would almost replace subban......thoughts?

[jeff33]

41 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Your trade makes sense for both teams (although I wish we could swap in someone like Byron for Lehkonen) as columbus has a genuine shot now & that should frankly help them in the short term.  Like you, I feel like they would be trying to flip us Johnson.

So while i much prefer your idea, I could see us dealing:
Pacioretty + Benn

for 

Dubois + Johnson

Which I could still live with. if we had to include another top forward like Galchenyuk id want more than Johnson coming back on the blueline. 

I would love this. we use patch to get a C and JJ is ufa so who cares. 

[BigTed3]

1 hour ago, jeff33 said:

https://world.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/report-coyotes-set-their-asking-price-for-ekman-larsson

and here is a piece about what the coyotes would want for OEL. 2 high end fwds and a first.

would patch and a 1st do it? I love OEL, that would almost replace subban......thoughts?

OEL is a couple of years younger than Pacioretty, but their contracts both expire in 1.5 years and OEL makes a bit more money.

All in all, I don't see Phoenix being a good fit for Pacioretty. They aren't going to win in the next 2-3 years and he's not staying there past the end of this coming contract. They'd have a better chance of re-signing OEL, which is apparently what they want to do. They're trading him only if he refuses to re-sign.

As for us, I'd love to grab OEL, but I think we can get better value for Pacioretty. A team that can win now will give up more for him, and we're more likely to get players who can be helpful to us past next season. At this point, we wouldn't have the option of extending OEL until next season, so we'd be acquiring him blindly. I'd rather secure 2-3 younger pieces that can help us for a longer period of time.

[BigTed3]

One of the SJ reporters tweeted tonight that the Habs have been heavily scouting the Sharks recently. We know the Sharks are one of the teams interested in Pacioretty, but if the Habs are scouting the NHL team, it's because they want an NHL roster player back... really not sure who that would be. Maybe Tomas Hertl? SJ also placed Paul Martin on waivers with no takers, but could the Habs be working out a trade for him with the Sharks retaining some salary? Don't see a great fit here off their roster, but that's never stopped Bergevin before.

[maas_art]

16 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

One of the SJ reporters tweeted tonight that the Habs have been heavily scouting the Sharks recently. We know the Sharks are one of the teams interested in Pacioretty, but if the Habs are scouting the NHL team, it's because they want an NHL roster player back... really not sure who that would be. Maybe Tomas Hertl? SJ also placed Paul Martin on waivers with no takers, but could the Habs be working out a trade for him with the Sharks retaining some salary? Don't see a great fit here off their roster, but that's never stopped Bergevin before.

Yeah, i was wondering that too.  They have some nice pieces in the system but if we're actually scouting them... I suppose it could be a combination of a prospect or 2 and a roster player but i dont see as much of a fit there as I do with other teams.

There's an interesting article on EOTP today where David St-Louis suggests we should really look hard at the blues and their prospect Robert Thomas.   He's certainly the type of player that i would love to have coming back in a Pacioretty deal.  It makes sense for both teams because he wont help St Louis this year (or maybe even next) but could be a top line centre for us as we start our rebuild.  The Blues meanwhile add an elite scorer (looking like he might be getting hot) with the most important piece going back the other way not being on their roster.   They get 2 guaranteed playoffs with Pacioretty.  It reminds me a little of Joe Nieuwendyk for Jerome Iginla.   Everyone knew Iggy would be good but Dallas needed to go "all in" and JN was the guy who put htem over the edge (and they won the cup).

The article suggests it could be a 1 for 1 or Thomas + picks for Pacioretty.   Ideally Id like at least one sure-thing if we're trading the captain. I dont mind including a pick the other way if necessary but I think Pacioretty for Thomas would be too risky for our best trade prospect. 

Id love to do:

Pacioretty + 3rd

for

Thomas, Joel Edmundson + 2nd

We upgrade one pick, get a young top 4 LD and add possibly the missing piece down the middle.  Between Thomas, Poehling and Ikonen I think we would have at least one legitimate top centre, maybe 2. 

[BigTed3]

^^ I'd aim for Thomas + Vince Dunn + a pick... it could be a swap of picks, but a Blues 2nd rounder might be bottom 5 for the round whereas the Habs' 3rd could be top 5, so that's not much of an upgrade.

Andrew Berkshire also did a piece today for sportsnet where he shows the value of Pacioretty and how elite he is as a scorer but also how good he is defensively and at things like breakouts and forechecking. He argues that despite the age/position difference, Pacioretty is worth more than Duchene, which means the Habs could probably legitimately ask for 3-4 pieces including a guy like Thomas. As we've said, the Blues are in a position to challenge for a Cup. They're a good trade fit for us. So for them to get an elite scorer at a bargain price who can give them two years of runs at Cups with the option to re-sign afterwards and without giving up an active roster player... well that's a decent gamble for a GM to take. At some point, if you're close, you need to go all in and you need to be willing to risk futures to do it. We SHOULD be able to ask for more than Pacioretty is worth on ice because he's on a cheap contract with no long-term commitment/risk and because the team getting him gets a near sure-thing for now...

[maas_art]

38 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

^^ I'd aim for Thomas + Vince Dunn + a pick... it could be a swap of picks, but a Blues 2nd rounder might be bottom 5 for the round whereas the Habs' 3rd could be top 5, so that's not much of an upgrade.

Id be down for that too - both Dunn and Thomas are risks but seem like very calculated risks. 

Andrew Berkshire also did a piece today for sportsnet where he shows the value of Pacioretty and how elite he is as a scorer but also how good he is defensively and at things like breakouts and forechecking. He argues that despite the age/position difference, Pacioretty is worth more than Duchene, which means the Habs could probably legitimately ask for 3-4 pieces including a guy like Thomas. As we've said, the Blues are in a position to challenge for a Cup. They're a good trade fit for us. So for them to get an elite scorer at a bargain price who can give them two years of runs at Cups with the option to re-sign afterwards and without giving up an active roster player... well that's a decent gamble for a GM to take. At some point, if you're close, you need to go all in and you need to be willing to risk futures to do it. We SHOULD be able to ask for more than Pacioretty is worth on ice because he's on a cheap contract with no long-term commitment/risk and because the team getting him gets a near sure-thing for now...

This is exactly why i think a contending team will pay more for Pacioretty now vs. at the draft.  I know teams often make bigger deals then (when they can work out their cap etc) but Pacioretty now, before the deadline, means two guaranteed playoffs with him.  Thats got to be worth something & increase the value beyond just 1 season.  So while I understand the value of not wanting to sell too cheaply, I also think selling sooner would give a better return.  

Im still not convinced MB will trade him though.  He'll probably move Shaw for a "diamond in the rough" and Hudon for a good character guy and be done with it.  The answer is in the room you know. 

 

[kinot-2]

Apparently, Ryan McDonagh is up for grabs:

"Problems across the map for the Rangers have led to the build up of trade rumours over the past few days and All-Star defenseman Ryan McDonagh is a name that's seriously starting to pop up.

McDonagh is undoubtedly part of the NHL's elite, and he would definitely bring in a nice haul. The team's captain was brought up recently by very reputable insiders including Bob McKenzie, Elliott Friedman and Darren Dreger."

[maas_art]

5 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

Apparently, Ryan McDonagh is up for grabs:

"Problems across the map for the Rangers have led to the build up of trade rumours over the past few days and All-Star defenseman Ryan McDonagh is a name that's seriously starting to pop up.

McDonagh is undoubtedly part of the NHL's elite, and he would definitely bring in a nice haul. The team's captain was brought up recently by very reputable insiders including Bob McKenzie, Elliott Friedman and Darren Dreger."

While Id love to have had RM back, and a top pairing of RM-SW would probably look great for the next 1 - 2 years, this team is clearly not ready to compete for a bit so I would be looking at acquiring someone under 28 if im moving players.  Plus the rangers would likely want young playes like AG in return. 

[BigTed3]

According to Elliotte Friedman, Marc Bergevin is currently the most active GM in the league. He has identified that the team needs to be re-built and he has apparently circulated to his colleagues that everyone is for sale for the right price, with the exception of Price and Mete.

So on the upside, it sounds like Bergevin recognizes he has failed. On the downside, it sounds like Molson is giving Bergevin the authority to run the re-build. the other downside of sorts if that it's unclear why Price would be an untouchable. Putting aside his NMC, if you're going to sell of Pacioretty, Petry, Weber, etc. is there really a purpose in keeping a goalie who's going to be 30 soon when you have Charlie Lindgren in the system? Lindgren's obviously unproven and not as good as Price now but I don't think it's clear which goalie will be better in 3-4 years and Lindgren's price tag is considerably cheaper, even if he doesn't become the goalie Price is. It also sounds like if this is MB's plan, that any look at Tavares now seems pretty moot, because he's not coming here to be part of a re-build.

In any case, I'd find it hard to believe MB is selling everyone else off. I'd certainly be inclined to build around Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen, Hudon, Danault, Scherbak, Carr, and maybe Gallagher up front. Debatable as to whether any of those will ever become 1st line players but you have solid 2nd/3rd line options there, and it doesn't make much sense to deal them away when they could all be useful parts for another 5-7 years. I still don't like Shaw's contract and I still think Eller is a better fit for our line-up, but you could also make an argument that Shaw could be useful for a few more years too, and I'll come back to Lehkonen-Danault-Shaw being a really excellent 3rd line if you can find the guys to fill in above them. I think you can make a good argument for Hudon-Galchenyuk-Gallagher as being a very good 2nd line and Drouin as being a 1st-line LW if you complement him correctly. Carr is a fantastic 4th liner or better. So there are definitely good pieces here to work with, and I certainly wouldn't dump most of them. I think you need to trade Pacioretty to get a 1st line center prospect like a Robert Thomas or Sam Steel. I think you need to part ways with Plekanec (who apparently is drawing more interest as a deadline pick-up than we might have predicted). And maybe you keep Byron or Shaw as 3rd/4th liners, but I think you also explore what you can get for them too. But the big thing is going to be finding a guy who can be your 1C in 2-3 years, whether that's using Pacioretty or Weber as a trade chip or via the upcoming draft (either you get a 1C or you get a 1D or top winger prospect and then flip someone else you have, like a Drouin or so on to get your 1C to go with them).

On the back end, it's a tire fire. That's really where the re-build needs to happen. We need 1-2 top-end forwards, but it's not a re-build. The D on the other hand is a full-on re-structure. You keep Mete, obviously. You probably keep Jerabek as a cheap 3rd pairing guy. You give Juulsen a look as the 2nd or 3rd pairing RHD. People in the know seem to think Josh Brook will be a player down the line, but he's a ways away. Maybe someone like Fleury or Walford pans out. Maybe Lernout can become a 3rd pairing guy too. But this team is short of NHL-ready prospects. If you get lucky and you get a Dahlin or even a Boqvist in the draft, it helps. But otherwise, it comes down again to dealing Pacioretty and Weber and maybe Petry or Price to find what you need to help you with top-end younger guys.

[maas_art]

17 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

According to Elliotte Friedman, Marc Bergevin is currently the most active GM in the league. He has identified that the team needs to be re-built and he has apparently circulated to his colleagues that everyone is for sale for the right price, with the exception of Price and Mete.

So on the upside, it sounds like Bergevin recognizes he has failed. On the downside, it sounds like Molson is giving Bergevin the authority to run the re-build. the other downside of sorts if that it's unclear why Price would be an untouchable. Putting aside his NMC, if you're going to sell of Pacioretty, Petry, Weber, etc. is there really a purpose in keeping a goalie who's going to be 30 soon when you have Charlie Lindgren in the system? Lindgren's obviously unproven and not as good as Price now but I don't think it's clear which goalie will be better in 3-4 years and Lindgren's price tag is considerably cheaper, even if he doesn't become the goalie Price is. It also sounds like if this is MB's plan, that any look at Tavares now seems pretty moot, because he's not coming here to be part of a re-build.

In any case, I'd find it hard to believe MB is selling everyone else off. I'd certainly be inclined to build around Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen, Hudon, Danault, Scherbak, Carr, and maybe Gallagher up front. Debatable as to whether any of those will ever become 1st line players but you have solid 2nd/3rd line options there, and it doesn't make much sense to deal them away when they could all be useful parts for another 5-7 years. I still don't like Shaw's contract and I still think Eller is a better fit for our line-up, but you could also make an argument that Shaw could be useful for a few more years too, and I'll come back to Lehkonen-Danault-Shaw being a really excellent 3rd line if you can find the guys to fill in above them. I think you can make a good argument for Hudon-Galchenyuk-Gallagher as being a very good 2nd line and Drouin as being a 1st-line LW if you complement him correctly. Carr is a fantastic 4th liner or better. So there are definitely good pieces here to work with, and I certainly wouldn't dump most of them. I think you need to trade Pacioretty to get a 1st line center prospect like a Robert Thomas or Sam Steel. I think you need to part ways with Plekanec (who apparently is drawing more interest as a deadline pick-up than we might have predicted). And maybe you keep Byron or Shaw as 3rd/4th liners, but I think you also explore what you can get for them too. But the big thing is going to be finding a guy who can be your 1C in 2-3 years, whether that's using Pacioretty or Weber as a trade chip or via the upcoming draft (either you get a 1C or you get a 1D or top winger prospect and then flip someone else you have, like a Drouin or so on to get your 1C to go with them).

On the back end, it's a tire fire. That's really where the re-build needs to happen. We need 1-2 top-end forwards, but it's not a re-build. The D on the other hand is a full-on re-structure. You keep Mete, obviously. You probably keep Jerabek as a cheap 3rd pairing guy. You give Juulsen a look as the 2nd or 3rd pairing RHD. People in the know seem to think Josh Brook will be a player down the line, but he's a ways away. Maybe someone like Fleury or Walford pans out. Maybe Lernout can become a 3rd pairing guy too. But this team is short of NHL-ready prospects. If you get lucky and you get a Dahlin or even a Boqvist in the draft, it helps. But otherwise, it comes down again to dealing Pacioretty and Weber and maybe Petry or Price to find what you need to help you with top-end younger guys.

Agree with your whole post, especially the part about MB not being the guy you want in charge of a reboot.

Its great that Mete is untouchable but like you, id put Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen and others in that group too. Not that I wouldnt move them (or Mete) but that the return would have to be higher than FMV so there's no real point in entertaining it.

As for Price, its clear MB thinks he's the saviour. He wont trade him - even though  I think you could get a huge return.    That said, if we move on from guys like Weber, Patches, Shaw, Byron, Petry etc  I think you would have a substantial haul and Im not opposed to keeping Price.  We've talked before about this: if you replace all your high priced vets with prospects, young players and picks, Price's salary would be easily manageable for at least the next 4-5 years. In fact you may need it to get up to the cap ceiling if you do a rebuild properly. So i dont mind keeping him - but I certainly wouldnt call him untouchable.

My first move would be pushing hard for Edmonton to take Weber. I think Chiarelli would pay dearly for him - and to be honest, he'd probably help them a lot. 
 

[Habs=stanleycup]

1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

According to Elliotte Friedman, Marc Bergevin is currently the most active GM in the league. He has identified that the team needs to be re-built and he has apparently circulated to his colleagues that everyone is for sale for the right price, with the exception of Price and Mete.

So on the upside, it sounds like Bergevin recognizes he has failed. On the downside, it sounds like Molson is giving Bergevin the authority to run the re-build. the other downside of sorts if that it's unclear why Price would be an untouchable. Putting aside his NMC, if you're going to sell of Pacioretty, Petry, Weber, etc. is there really a purpose in keeping a goalie who's going to be 30 soon when you have Charlie Lindgren in the system? Lindgren's obviously unproven and not as good as Price now but I don't think it's clear which goalie will be better in 3-4 years and Lindgren's price tag is considerably cheaper, even if he doesn't become the goalie Price is. It also sounds like if this is MB's plan, that any look at Tavares now seems pretty moot, because he's not coming here to be part of a re-build.

In any case, I'd find it hard to believe MB is selling everyone else off. I'd certainly be inclined to build around Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen, Hudon, Danault, Scherbak, Carr, and maybe Gallagher up front. Debatable as to whether any of those will ever become 1st line players but you have solid 2nd/3rd line options there, and it doesn't make much sense to deal them away when they could all be useful parts for another 5-7 years. I still don't like Shaw's contract and I still think Eller is a better fit for our line-up, but you could also make an argument that Shaw could be useful for a few more years too, and I'll come back to Lehkonen-Danault-Shaw being a really excellent 3rd line if you can find the guys to fill in above them. I think you can make a good argument for Hudon-Galchenyuk-Gallagher as being a very good 2nd line and Drouin as being a 1st-line LW if you complement him correctly. Carr is a fantastic 4th liner or better. So there are definitely good pieces here to work with, and I certainly wouldn't dump most of them. I think you need to trade Pacioretty to get a 1st line center prospect like a Robert Thomas or Sam Steel. I think you need to part ways with Plekanec (who apparently is drawing more interest as a deadline pick-up than we might have predicted). And maybe you keep Byron or Shaw as 3rd/4th liners, but I think you also explore what you can get for them too. But the big thing is going to be finding a guy who can be your 1C in 2-3 years, whether that's using Pacioretty or Weber as a trade chip or via the upcoming draft (either you get a 1C or you get a 1D or top winger prospect and then flip someone else you have, like a Drouin or so on to get your 1C to go with them).

On the back end, it's a tire fire. That's really where the re-build needs to happen. We need 1-2 top-end forwards, but it's not a re-build. The D on the other hand is a full-on re-structure. You keep Mete, obviously. You probably keep Jerabek as a cheap 3rd pairing guy. You give Juulsen a look as the 2nd or 3rd pairing RHD. People in the know seem to think Josh Brook will be a player down the line, but he's a ways away. Maybe someone like Fleury or Walford pans out. Maybe Lernout can become a 3rd pairing guy too. But this team is short of NHL-ready prospects. If you get lucky and you get a Dahlin or even a Boqvist in the draft, it helps. But otherwise, it comes down again to dealing Pacioretty and Weber and maybe Petry or Price to find what you need to help you with top-end younger guys.

What a bad joke if it's true! MB in charge of a rebuild. It's bad enough that he's still around along with our do-nothing owner.

I share Chris Nilan's opinion from the last HIO Show; EVERYBODY should be on the trading block including Price.

Anyway won't happen. Same old laundry, wash, rinse, repeat.

[habsisme]

I think i would be willing to trade everyone at thr right Price. I'm not sold on keeping price. BUT I think MB needs to say that.... I genuinely believe if we get a crazy return for him, then we will move him.... also keeping Price might actually give us a chance at Tavares... imagine winning the lottery and signing Tavares!!!!..... never gonna happen

[rocketbelifleur]

2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

According to Elliotte Friedman, Marc Bergevin is currently the most active GM in the league. He has identified that the team needs to be re-built and he has apparently circulated to his colleagues that everyone is for sale for the right price, with the exception of Price and Mete.

So on the upside, it sounds like Bergevin recognizes he has failed. On the downside, it sounds like Molson is giving Bergevin the authority to run the re-build. the other downside of sorts if that it's unclear why Price would be an untouchable. Putting aside his NMC, if you're going to sell of Pacioretty, Petry, Weber, etc. is there really a purpose in keeping a goalie who's going to be 30 soon when you have Charlie Lindgren in the system? Lindgren's obviously unproven and not as good as Price now but I don't think it's clear which goalie will be better in 3-4 years and Lindgren's price tag is considerably cheaper, even if he doesn't become the goalie Price is. It also sounds like if this is MB's plan, that any look at Tavares now seems pretty moot, because he's not coming here to be part of a re-build.

In any case, I'd find it hard to believe MB is selling everyone else off. I'd certainly be inclined to build around Drouin, Galchenyuk, Lehkonen, Hudon, Danault, Scherbak, Carr, and maybe Gallagher up front. Debatable as to whether any of those will ever become 1st line players but you have solid 2nd/3rd line options there, and it doesn't make much sense to deal them away when they could all be useful parts for another 5-7 years. I still don't like Shaw's contract and I still think Eller is a better fit for our line-up, but you could also make an argument that Shaw could be useful for a few more years too, and I'll come back to Lehkonen-Danault-Shaw being a really excellent 3rd line if you can find the guys to fill in above them. I think you can make a good argument for Hudon-Galchenyuk-Gallagher as being a very good 2nd line and Drouin as being a 1st-line LW if you complement him correctly. Carr is a fantastic 4th liner or better. So there are definitely good pieces here to work with, and I certainly wouldn't dump most of them. I think you need to trade Pacioretty to get a 1st line center prospect like a Robert Thomas or Sam Steel. I think you need to part ways with Plekanec (who apparently is drawing more interest as a deadline pick-up than we might have predicted). And maybe you keep Byron or Shaw as 3rd/4th liners, but I think you also explore what you can get for them too. But the big thing is going to be finding a guy who can be your 1C in 2-3 years, whether that's using Pacioretty or Weber as a trade chip or via the upcoming draft (either you get a 1C or you get a 1D or top winger prospect and then flip someone else you have, like a Drouin or so on to get your 1C to go with them).

On the back end, it's a tire fire. That's really where the re-build needs to happen. We need 1-2 top-end forwards, but it's not a re-build. The D on the other hand is a full-on re-structure. You keep Mete, obviously. You probably keep Jerabek as a cheap 3rd pairing guy. You give Juulsen a look as the 2nd or 3rd pairing RHD. People in the know seem to think Josh Brook will be a player down the line, but he's a ways away. Maybe someone like Fleury or Walford pans out. Maybe Lernout can become a 3rd pairing guy too. But this team is short of NHL-ready prospects. If you get lucky and you get a Dahlin or even a Boqvist in the draft, it helps. But otherwise, it comes down again to dealing Pacioretty and Weber and maybe Petry or Price to find what you need to help you with top-end younger guys.

The other day I heard someone on radio (690?) say that Molson was going to give MB a chance to clean up his own mess, or words to that effect.

(Anyone else hear that?)

WE'RE DOOMED!!!

 

[jeff33]

12 minutes ago, rocketbelifleur said:

The other day I heard someone on radio (690?) say that Molson was going to give MB a chance to clean up his own mess, or words to that effect.

(Anyone else hear that?)

WE'RE DOOMED!!!

 

right, like this team is a mess, because our GM made some incredibly poor and short sighted evaluations of talent.

so we are now going to trust him to make GOOD evaluations of talent going forward? in an attempt to clean up the mess he made precisely by being BAD at it? because why?

[Noob616]

Hey now let's just let MB roll the dice. If we get lucky we'll draft one of the best goalies and defensemen in the world and an elite goal scorer all within a couple years of each other. There's no way he could screw up a core like that, right?

[maas_art]

1 hour ago, jeff33 said:

right, like this team is a mess, because our GM made some incredibly poor and short sighted evaluations of talent.

so we are now going to trust him to make GOOD evaluations of talent going forward? in an attempt to clean up the mess he made precisely by being BAD at it? because why?

Im 100% on board with everyone that MB should NOT be the guy who engineers the rebuild - but - if we make a poker analogy, I think MB played his hand too early. He thought we were contenders when we werent, and he tried to go "all in" when there were glaring holes in our lineup.  

On a rebuild he may do ok (lets hope) and he's had some good vets for youth trades in the past (danault) so im not as worried as I was when I thought he was still trying to save the season.    If he moves guys like Weber, Patches, Shaw, Pleks etc, i have a feeling the return will be good in the form of good young talent.

 

[jeff33]

https://world.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/preds-may-have-perfect-trade-pitch-to-land-habs-pacioretty

suggestion of aberg, fabbro and a 1st from the preds 

what do you guys think?

[habsisme]

Fabbro and a 1st is a good start. No interest in Aberg, he's just a throw in. But like they say in the article, given what was given for Duchene, shouldn't we want more? I'd want another 1st, or maybe two 2nds. And I still feel like we could get more. 

 

What I do like about the rumor is that Fabbro is exactly the type of player we should be targeting. Guys drafted in the 2-3 years, that aren't anything yet but could be something. Having said that, I want more than just one... the point is to have many and if a third pan out, we will still be very happy. 

[jeff33]

1 minute ago, habsisme said:

Fabbro and a 1st is a good start. No interest in Aberg, he's just a throw in. But like they say in the article, given what was given for Duchene, shouldn't we want more? I'd want another 1st, or maybe two 2nds. And I still feel like we could get more. 

 

What I do like about the rumor is that Fabbro is exactly the type of player we should be targeting. Guys drafted in the 2-3 years, that aren't anything yet but could be something. Having said that, I want more than just one... the point is to have many and if a third pan out, we will still be very happy. 

aberg is a pretty good young player , id say more than just a throw in ....but yes i agree i want more than that. asyou mentioned, the duchene deal gives us a good measuring stick...

 

HOWEVER, and this is big...we dont have as much time as sakic did. patch will never be worth more than he is at this years deadline. If im gm, i take the best I can get by then,and im working the phones non stop until then to make it happen

[kinot-2]

The Vancouver Canucks announced today that they have placed Michael Chaput on waivers. 6'2", 204#, C, 25 Yrs. 0 Pts. in 9 games with Van, and bonus,,, he a Quebecer. 

 

C'mon, Marc,,,do the right thing and bring him home.  

 

[jwlk]

19 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

The Vancouver Canucks announced today that they have placed Michael Chaput on waivers. 6'2", 204#, C, 25 Yrs. 0 Pts. in 9 games with Van, and bonus,,, he a Quebecer. 

 

C'mon, Marc,,,do the right thing and bring him home.  

 

why?

[kinot-2]

Just now, jwlk said:

why?

Uhhhhhh,,, that was sarcasm.

[jwlk]

1 minute ago, kinot-2 said:

Uhhhhhh,,, that was sarcasm.

lmao