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17 hours ago, Noob616 said:

I dunno, to me Tanev+Horvat+Tkachuk is better as a win now move than just Weber even as early as October 2016. Even if we ignore hindsight and say the Habs might not have taken Tkachuk or might not have kept him in the NHL as a rookie just Tanev and Horvat IMO had more value in October 2016 than just Weber, especially to a team that was still honest to god running Desharnais as a regular top 6 center. 

Tanev is one of, if not the best shutdown defensemen in the game, and Horvat at the time of the trade was at least a decent 2C coming off a 40 point season at age 20, and trending upwards. Just those two guys alone IMO would have been more valuable, Pacioretty-Danault-Radulov / Galchenyuk-Horvat-Gallagher / Lehkonen-Plekaenc-Byron / Andrighetto-Desharnais-Shaw / Markov-Tanev / Emelin-Petry / Beaulieu-Pateryn is much better than what we had last year IMO. If we assume they'd take Tkachuk at #5 that's just gravy and adds another legitimate top 6 forward to the team.

Going down the rabbit hole even further, it's less likely the Habs trade Sergachev for Drouin in this scenario because they have Horvat and Tkachuk/Keller. That gives you a Sergachev-Tanev / Mete-Petry top 4 going forward. Even if they did do the Sergachev-Drouin trade he would likely be on Horvat's wing instead of at center.

absolutely.

like I said in the "rank these players" thread......is anyone going to stand up and argue that weber is in the conversation for best Dman in the league? top 5? top 10?  top 20? 

His first year was ok, but at best, the best I could say is I can see where he used to be great, and he can still do some of those things that once made him great.  He is not great anymore, and that was the best year we were ever gonna get from him. He really gets a fairly easy ride from the fans, very easy ride from the media, but in my opinion I dont see this guy as anything special at ALL at this point in his career, I dont see how having him on our team gives us any sort of significant edge, and as far as I am concerned he is one of, if not the most, underwhelming "star" players we have ever acquired. 

Marinaro said it best. He said even as an optimist, in support of the trade, he thought it would be equal for the first 3 years and then we would start losing it.....and that it is now halfway into year 2 and we have already clearly lost.  my god imagine what this is going to look like in year 3...or 4....and into 3012 when webers contract runs out

 

 

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Eklund says we're "very interested" in Noah Hanifin  Its Eklund so, you know, grain of salt but Hanifin would certainly fit well on our roster.  The suggestion is that Pacioretty would go the other way.   I would want more than just NH for Patches though. I dont know if we could get Kuokkanen or Saarela as well but if we're getting a prospect back (albeit a great one) Id want at least 2 plus a pick.  Better still would be an established young guy (Dunn) + a prospect (Thomas) and a pick from st louis. 

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9 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Eklund says we're "very interested" in Noah Hanifin  Its Eklund so, you know, grain of salt but Hanifin would certainly fit well on our roster.  The suggestion is that Pacioretty would go the other way.   I would want more than just NH for Patches though. I dont know if we could get Kuokkanen or Saarela as well but if we're getting a prospect back (albeit a great one) Id want at least 2 plus a pick.  Better still would be an established young guy (Dunn) + a prospect (Thomas) and a pick from st louis. 

I think Hanifin would be a nice player to get back. He started the season hot, its clear he will take another step but I would push for a little more coming our way, even just some conditional picks. 

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Several sites noting that Winnipeg is kicking the tires on Andrew Shaw.  They feel like they are ready to make a push in the playoffs and a versatile 2 time SC champion would help them.   

As Ive said before, this years' version of Andrew Shaw is welcome on my team - he's still young enough to offer good value too.  But if they offer us a couple of top end young players / prospects Id be interested.  I dont think they give us, say, Logan Stanley, but maybe a couple of guys like Michael Spacek and Sami Niku?  or one of those guys and a high pick? 

I wouldnt trade shaw for the sake of trading him (and i think Julien really likes him) but I also think you need to listen to offers for everyone at this point.  If a team like Winnipeg thinks he'd be the difference in winning a round then they potentially move a young player or 2  - Shaw is still pretty young.  

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According to David Pagnotta, Bergevin is shopping:
- Pacioretty
- Plekanec
- Byron
- Shaw
- Schlemko
- Benn 

Obviously he wont move all of them & I dont *think* he'll move any unless the return is good (he's not trading a player just to trade them aside for maybe Pleks since he's UFA) but its an interesting list.   I wonder if Alzner is on there too, or they think he can somehow suddenly become good.

Some of those guys seem like a tough sell but I could see a team like NJ, where he played very well, enquiring about Schlemko.  Return would be minimal but at this point I think getting him off the roster may be more valuable than what we get back.  I do not remember him ever being this bad in the past. Some guys seem unable to adapt to Julien's system. 
 

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2 hours ago, maas_art said:

According to David Pagnotta, Bergevin is shopping:
- Pacioretty
- Plekanec
- Byron
- Shaw
- Schlemko
- Benn 

Obviously he wont move all of them & I dont *think* he'll move any unless the return is good (he's not trading a player just to trade them aside for maybe Pleks since he's UFA) but its an interesting list.   I wonder if Alzner is on there too, or they think he can somehow suddenly become good.

Some of those guys seem like a tough sell but I could see a team like NJ, where he played very well, enquiring about Schlemko.  Return would be minimal but at this point I think getting him off the roster may be more valuable than what we get back.  I do not remember him ever being this bad in the past. Some guys seem unable to adapt to Julien's system. 
 

The only person on that list I would like to keep is Byron, having said that everyone is available for the right Price. 

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Well you can forget about Tavares I guess. He wants to play for a team that is doing everything it can to win. 

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/tavares-i-want-to-play-for-a-team-that-s-doing-everything-it-can-to-win~1313626

Only when they go after the best player, best coach , best gm, regardless of culture, language, race then and only then will they be doing everything they can to win.

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5 hours ago, Ravadak said:

Well you can forget about Tavares I guess. He wants to play for a team that is doing everything it can to win. 

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/tavares-i-want-to-play-for-a-team-that-s-doing-everything-it-can-to-win~1313626

Only when they go after the best player, best coach , best gm, regardless of culture, language, race then and only then will they be doing everything they can to win.

Well we do have a strong core when healthy. Also if we went all in on getting him , he may think that makes us serious about winning now. It would mean we keep Pacs , maybe deal Pleks and get a good draft pick with a Tavares things could change quickly. 

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3 hours ago, CaptWelly said:

Well we do have a strong core when healthy. Also if we went all in on getting him , he may think that makes us serious about winning now. It would mean we keep Pacs , maybe deal Pleks and get a good draft pick with a Tavares things could change quickly. 

True. And if Tavares were a sure thing, I think I would do that.... but its unlikely, therefore I'd rather rather rebuild

Trade everyone. Let Tavares do what he wants

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12 hours ago, Ravadak said:

Well you can forget about Tavares I guess. He wants to play for a team that is doing everything it can to win. 

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/tavares-i-want-to-play-for-a-team-that-s-doing-everything-it-can-to-win~1313626

Only when they go after the best player, best coach , best gm, regardless of culture, language, race then and only then will they be doing everything they can to win.

Then again, you can argue the Isles aren't all-in either. Their arena situation is a mess, they have the worst goaltending in the league, and they traded Hamonic for picks. So if you believe Montreal is out, you also have to believe he's not going back to Long Island. In the end, money talks... I think he won't go to a non-contender, but I still believe he would stay in Long Island and I still believe Montreal is an option if he doesn't want to go back there.

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6 hours ago, habsisme said:

True. And if Tavares were a sure thing, I think I would do that.... but its unlikely, therefore I'd rather rather rebuild

Trade everyone. Let Tavares do what he wants

There's still a chance he is a sure thing - of course im talking about his Agent who is very close friends with MB.  Its not exactly legal for them to have worked out a deal - and of course until JT signs on the dotted line its meaningless - but i think its a possibility that MB and Brisson have a deal worked out ahead of time. 

2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Then again, you can argue the Isles aren't all-in either. Their arena situation is a mess, they have the worst goaltending in the league, and they traded Hamonic for picks. So if you believe Montreal is out, you also have to believe he's not going back to Long Island. In the end, money talks... I think he won't go to a non-contender, but I still believe he would stay in Long Island and I still believe Montreal is an option if he doesn't want to go back there.

Agreed.  Look no one is a sure thing. Remember when Hossa went to the finals with the Pens and lost to the redwings so the next year he signed with the wings and lost in the finals to the pens?

As much as we might like to dissect this team and call out flaws, a lot of the league (and certainly players) would look at us as : Best goalie in the world, one of the best dmen in the world, elite wingers - all thats missing is a John Tavares.   

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3 minutes ago, maas_art said:

There's still a chance he is a sure thing - of course im talking about his Agent who is very close friends with MB.  Its not exactly legal for them to have worked out a deal - and of course until JT signs on the dotted line its meaningless - but i think its a possibility that MB and Brisson have a deal worked out ahead of time. 

Agreed.  Look no one is a sure thing. Remember when Hossa went to the finals with the Pens and lost to the redwings so the next year he signed with the wings and lost in the finals to the pens?

As much as we might like to dissect this team and call out flaws, a lot of the league (and certainly players) would look at us as : Best goalie in the world, one of the best dmen in the world, elite wingers - all thats missing is a John Tavares.   

True, just add to that the entire left side on D and a more dynamic coach some leadership and a clue.

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13 minutes ago, maas_art said:

As much as we might like to dissect this team and call out flaws, a lot of the league (and certainly players) would look at us as : Best goalie in the world, one of the best dmen in the world, elite wingers - all thats missing is a John Tavares.   

Weber is no longer one of the best d men in the world and our wingers are average at best

If all that was missing was JT , or a players of his kind, this team would be at least fighting for a playoff spot and not out of it since November

This is bad team , no sugar coating it

 

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2 hours ago, Regis22 said:

Weber is no longer one of the best d men in the world and our wingers are average at best

If all that was missing was JT , or a players of his kind, this team would be at least fighting for a playoff spot and not out of it since November

This is bad team , no sugar coating it

 

yup. pundits did a complete about face this year calling us a potential division champ based on that thinking....and now are saying its obvious we arent good enough.

 i have been wrong about this team plenty.....i thought the kostitsyns were going to be the next sedins for example...but i said this summer that this teams roster was garbage and this is exactly what we would look like and i was right.  chuck and drouin are young skilled players but are both very much still trying to figure it out. they are not doing what other young stars are doing. patch is getting exposed as the one dimensional shooter that he is who cannot lead a teams offence, and guys like hudon and lehkonen are kids who have some skill but are a long way away from being impact players. gallagher is our one legit consistent, night in night out guy....but hes limited in his effect. 50ish point guy. every team has one or three. 

weber is past it and we blew it BAD. he makes almost no difference to our success game by game and the d after him is a joke

1 hour ago, jwlk said:

adding JT will make us better but we need much more to be a competitor

he has bailey and lee....guys on the all star team and scoring leader rankings. we have hudon and lehkonen, guys with single digit goal totals combined. and they arent a playoff team. 

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13 hours ago, Regis22 said:

Weber is no longer one of the best d men in the world and our wingers are average at best

Reread what I said.

I didnt say he was one of the best, i said he's perceived as such.  Perception goes a long way on UFAs making decisions, otherwise bottom feeders would never sign good players. 

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3 hours ago, HabsAlways said:

JT is never and will never sign with the Habs.   Taxes and the pressure of playing in Montreal keeps most UFA's away.

Except the Russians - and MB has blown that option!

 

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According to Renaud Lavoie, Max Pacioretty and his family believe he will be traded within the coming days and certainly at some point in February... Renaud is usually pretty in tune with the locker room, so this isn't to say Pacioretty will be traded but that Pacioretty believes he will be traded. That means Pacman and the Habs almost certainly have not been talking about a contract extension (he'd be eligible to sign one July 1st) and that MP believes the rumors that he's out of here.

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Well that's not good. That means MB still has the authority to make trades which he should not be allowed to .

They should get rid of Plekanec 1st , he;s an UFA , and if you can get  a bag of pucks for him great .

Max they better get a young guy who can step into the line up right away

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47 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

Well that's not good. That means MB still has the authority to make trades which he should not be allowed to .

They should get rid of Plekanec 1st , he;s an UFA , and if you can get  a bag of pucks for him great .

Max they better get a young guy who can step into the line up right away

Agreed on all points, especially the part that MB should not have the authority to make any trades at this point.  

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8 hours ago, Regis22 said:

Well that's not good. That means MB still has the authority to make trades which he should not be allowed to .

They should get rid of Plekanec 1st , he;s an UFA , and if you can get  a bag of pucks for him great .

Max they better get a young guy who can step into the line up right away

Yeah, it's depressing to think about it, but it seems like MB is going to be around for next season.

I personally don't care in what order players are dealt, but the return needs to be favorable for our team moving forward. We need help at center and we need help on D.

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