2017-18 The Rumors Thread

[BigTed3]

5 hours ago, Noob616 said:

This is why I want them to stay away, a short-term deal will never happen. He's 31 and realistically might be out of the NHL in 2 or 3 seasons, so I don't think he'd be willing to take the risk on a short-term deal with Quebec taxes considering his bankruptcy. I bet he ends up with a similar deal to Alzner with Smith, Kulikov, Russell, etc. as comparables. As a player he's fine, he's an OK low-end 2nd pair guy and he'd probably still be the best overall LD on the Habs but that's a pretty low bar, and he doesn't make any sense for the Habs.

Right. I think I said in my post that it was very unlikely the conditions I stipulated would ever be met, but for a short term (1-2 years), he's still an upgrade on a lot of other options we have. I'd take him over Alzner, Benn, Schlemko, and Valiev, but I wouldn't add him for the contract he's going to think he deserves.

[BigTed3]

6 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Does anyone think Bergevin would be in for Milan Lucic? He was interested a few years ago, if I remember correctly. At the age of 30, can we expect Lucic to rebound from his 34-point 2017-2018 campaign?

 

6 hours ago, maas_art said:

Gosh i hope not.   Id take Lucic if Draisatl came with him. mind you.     You would have to think with that cap hit, his age and last season he's got to be a negative value but who knows.

Lets hope MB has finally given up his fetish for slow lumbering players. 

There was actually a suggestion on twitter that the Habs could offer to take Lucic in exchange for getting the 10th overall pick in the deal. There is precedent for getting a 1st rounder in exchange for taking a bad contract, and Lucic's deal might be worse than some of the other bad contracts that have been dealt in this manner given that it's 5 more years.  

So something like

Lucic and the 10th

for

Shaw and the 35th

 

 

 

[maas_art]

1 minute ago, BigTed3 said:

 

There was actually a suggestion on twitter that the Habs could offer to take Lucic in exchange for getting the 10th overall pick in the deal. There is precedent for getting a 1st rounder in exchange for taking a bad contract, and Lucic's deal might be worse than some of the other bad contracts that have been dealt in this manner given that it's 5 more years.  

So something like

Lucic and the 10th

for

Shaw and the 35th

Lucic and the 10th 

for Shaw

 

or Lucic, the 10th and Klefbom 

for 

Shaw + 35th

Then im mildly interested.  

[Regis22]

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/steve-ludzik-jr-left-mark-on-the-canadiens-during-his-short-tenure

General manager Marc Bergevin has some decisions to make regarding players already on the roster. Defenceman Jordie Benn is an unrestricted free agent and he may get a new offer, while UFA Ales Hemsky will not.

[maas_art]

20 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/steve-ludzik-jr-left-mark-on-the-canadiens-during-his-short-tenure

General manager Marc Bergevin has some decisions to make regarding players already on the roster. Defenceman Jordie Benn is an unrestricted free agent and he may get a new offer, while UFA Ales Hemsky will not.

Uhhhh, Benn is signed through 18-19, no?  Pretty sure that article is wrong.  Last year was only year 2 in his 3 year deal. 

[BigTed3]

53 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Lucic and the 10th 

for Shaw

 

or Lucic, the 10th and Klefbom 

for 

Shaw + 35th

Then im mildly interested.  

I thought about whether we were getting enough value in the trade I proposed, but the thing is that Lucic is still viewed by some GM's in the league as being an asset. A lot of people like the type of player he is and think he will bounce back offensively, akin to how most people think Pacioretty will bounce back next year. The hold-up is his contract, but I don't think GM's view him the way they view a guy like Alzner or a Wade Redden at the end of his career, where it's just money being thrown away. I thinit it was either Dreger or Friedman today who stated some teams have called Edmonton about him and that there's interest in acquiring him, not just as a salary dump. Teams don't want to give up much to get him, but it seems some teams may be willing to take him for minimal cost. I certainly think Shaw has more value than Lucic: younger player, better offensively right now, better skater, better contract. But is Shaw going to fetch you a 10th overall just because of a salary dump? Not based on what I've read.

Now let's come to Klefbom... he's got value, even if Edmonton seems to have tired of him. I'd probably give up Shaw and a late 2nd rounder for Klefbom himself. So I don't think the rest of the package would justify the 10th overall again. So yes, I have hesitation about taking on Lucic, but if I fill in the blanks, it would be Lucic + someone like Dobson/Veleno/Kupari/Boqvist in exchange for Shaw + a guy who has maybe a 20-30% chance of becoming a regular NHLer. It would be very tempting.

[BigTed3]

Elliotte Friedman says teams are being told by Arizona that OEL is now off the table. I guess conceivably there could already be a trade agreement in place, but Friedman believes the Coyotes may already have a verbal agreement in place with OEL to sign him to an extension once July 1st hits.

[xxdocxx]

How about we add all those pieces  plus pacioretty and RNH

[jennifer_rocket]

14 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Elliotte Friedman says teams are being told by Arizona that OEL is now off the table. I guess conceivably there could already be a trade agreement in place, but Friedman believes the Coyotes may already have a verbal agreement in place with OEL to sign him to an extension once July 1st hits.

Is there a reason why Arizona wouldn't just get him signed now? Why would they be waiting?

[Habs_Hockey_Nutz]

12 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Is there a reason why Arizona wouldn't just get him signed now? Why would they be waiting?

Even if he is a UFA or not, an extension cannot be signed prior to July 1st. That is part f the reason Pacioretty cannot be extended until then

[Noob616]

15 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Right. I think I said in my post that it was very unlikely the conditions I stipulated would ever be met, but for a short term (1-2 years), he's still an upgrade on a lot of other options we have. I'd take him over Alzner, Benn, Schlemko, and Valiev, but I wouldn't add him for the contract he's going to think he deserves.

Yeah Bob McKenzie on TSN radio yesterday said his sense is the price will be around $6M and that the Habs are interested.

 

 

[Habs_Hockey_Nutz]

15 hours ago, maas_art said:

Uhhhh, Benn is signed through 18-19, no?  Pretty sure that article is wrong.  Last year was only year 2 in his 3 year deal. 

The only UFA's the Habs have this year are are; Hemsky, Cracknell and Terry

[Habs_Hockey_Nutz]

2 minutes ago, Noob616 said:

Yeah Bob McKenzie on TSN radio yesterday said his sense is the price will be around $6M. And unfortunately that the Habs are interested. 

Johnson at 4X6M is totally going to happen isn't it? I had the exact same funny feeling about Alzner getting signed after the Caps got eliminated last year.

I'd rather take Calvin De Haan for much less I believe

[maas_art]

On 6/10/2018 at 6:24 PM, BigTed3 said:

With respect to Jack Johnson, he's overrated and he's past prime, albeit I still think he'd be an upgrade on what we had last year. He's better than Alzner, Benn, and Schlemko.

Im not so sure about that.  If he's an upgrade on any of those 3 its very very minor.  I wouldnt even take him for a 1 year deal (unless we were jettisoning all 3 of them) but certainly not for term, like he is apparently looking for. 

 

[jeff33]

6 hours ago, maas_art said:

Im not so sure about that.  If he's an upgrade on any of those 3 its very very minor.  I wouldnt even take him for a 1 year deal (unless we were jettisoning all 3 of them) but certainly not for term, like he is apparently looking for. 

 

 

Did you get this from the eotp article?

I just read that this morning. I was actually thinking he might not be the worst idea in the world, LD, used to be a legit top pairing offensive guy,maybe like the equivalent of having markov......and now I dont want to touch him with a 10 foot science pole. which means bergevin will probably sign him

[maas_art]

4 minutes ago, jeff33 said:

 

Did you get this from the eotp article?

I just read that this morning. I was actually thinking he might not be the worst idea in the world, LD, used to be a legit top pairing offensive guy,maybe like the equivalent of having markov......and now I dont want to touch him with a 10 foot science pole. which means bergevin will probably sign him

Yeah, i was looking for a comparable between the two, since from what i saw of Johnson (albeit not a lot) the last couple of year it seems like he's lost a step. That article really pointed out each area - including some I hadnt thought of yet. 

The bigger concern, as has been pointed out, is that Johnson most likely is looking for term.  It better not be with us but you know MB has a fetish for other teams' former first round picks, so...

 

[BigTed3]

Big news out of Ottawa today, where Erik Karlsson's wife has filed a motion against the girlfriend of Mike Hoffman, accusing her of harassment dating back to November of last year. The accusations state that she was using pseudonyms on the internet to comment on Karlsson and his wife's posts stating that she was hoping for the Karlsson's to lose their baby, for Karlsson to suffer a career-ending injury, and then when they did lose the baby, claiming it was because Karlsson's wife was popping narcotics. Obviously, if true, all very awful.

The media is suggesting that this may be the reason the Sens have been trying to trade Hoffman away, to settle the intra-squad disruption. Hoffman has denied it and says he and his girlfriend will clear their names, but the damage seems to have been done, and many people feel that Hoffman will have little to no trade value now.

What does that mean for us? If Hoffman's value drops and potential suitors suddenly want to stay away from him, then it makes Pacioretty's value rise relatively speaking. If a team was thinking about both guys, you'd likely now be willing to pay more for Pacioretty than a potential troublesome personality whose girlfriend might cause a team rift. For a team looking for a scoring winger, Pacioretty and Skinner now become more attractive options than Hoffman. Good for us.

[Habs_Hockey_Nutz]

1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Big news out of Ottawa today, where Erik Karlsson's wife has filed a motion against the girlfriend of Mike Hoffman, accusing her of harassment dating back to November of last year. The accusations state that she was using pseudonyms on the internet to comment on Karlsson and his wife's posts stating that she was hoping for the Karlsson's to lose their baby, for Karlsson to suffer a career-ending injury, and then when they did lose the baby, claiming it was because Karlsson's wife was popping narcotics. Obviously, if true, all very awful.

The media is suggesting that this may be the reason the Sens have been trying to trade Hoffman away, to settle the intra-squad disruption. Hoffman has denied it and says he and his girlfriend will clear their names, but the damage seems to have been done, and many people feel that Hoffman will have little to no trade value now.

What does that mean for us? If Hoffman's value drops and potential suitors suddenly want to stay away from him, then it makes Pacioretty's value rise relatively speaking. If a team was thinking about both guys, you'd likely now be willing to pay more for Pacioretty than a potential troublesome personality whose girlfriend might cause a team rift. For a team looking for a scoring winger, Pacioretty and Skinner now become more attractive options than Hoffman. Good for us.

There seem to be a lot of questions that point to questionable allegations as to who really is doing what... Hoffman strongly denies any of this as being linked to him or his girlfriend. A police as well as team investigation is ongoing and papers have not yet been served to Hoffman or his girlfriend... this is a cyber-bullying case that may involve other low-life's using the Hoffman's and his girlfriend's names as pseudo identities

[habsisme]

13 minutes ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

There seem to be a lot of questions that point to questionable allegations as to who really is doing what... Hoffman strongly denies any of this as being linked to him or his girlfriend. A police as well as team investigation is ongoing and papers have not yet been served to Hoffman or his girlfriend... this is a cyber-bullying case that may involve other low-life's using the Hoffman's and his girlfriend's names as pseudo identities

The whole story is bizarre and we don't know for sure but someone is crazy. Either Hoffman's girlfriend is doing this OR Karlsson's wife has somehow decided to blame everything on Hoffman's girlfriend. Either way this is not good. Sad situation for all involved, even the culprit, whoever that poor soul is

[BigTed3]

21 minutes ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said:

There seem to be a lot of questions that point to questionable allegations as to who really is doing what... Hoffman strongly denies any of this as being linked to him or his girlfriend. A police as well as team investigation is ongoing and papers have not yet been served to Hoffman or his girlfriend... this is a cyber-bullying case that may involve other low-life's using the Hoffman's and his girlfriend's names as pseudo identities

Sure, that's still possible. But

1. Still strange that Ottawa decides to start shopping Hoffman. Was it linked to their knowing about this fiasco between players?

2. There has to be something that led the Karlsson's to go public with this. Either they think they have evidence against Hoffman's girlfriend or at the very least, they really don't get along with her and think she's likely to be the culprit. So even if it's not her, it tells you the Karlsson and Hoffman clans don't get along, and that's still not good for business for the Sens.

[Habs_Hockey_Nutz]

19 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Sure, that's still possible. But

1. Still strange that Ottawa decides to start shopping Hoffman. Was it linked to their knowing about this fiasco between players?

2. There has to be something that led the Karlsson's to go public with this. Either they think they have evidence against Hoffman's girlfriend or at the very least, they really don't get along with her and think she's likely to be the culprit. So even if it's not her, it tells you the Karlsson and Hoffman clans don't get along, and that's still not good for business for the Sens.

This is all just speculation at this point... whether it be the media, pundits and others etc.. to answer both of your points. Again even though they may have been filed, papers have not yet been served to Hoffman or his girlfriend... why is that? The rush to judgement based on what could be mistaken reporting of tenuous facts is all too common in today's cyber world. Sure we can all say what if... and as long as it is not of an official nature we have that right to speculate... but this may end up being misrepresentation.

[BigTed3]

Other players wives now coming out saying it is not surprising that Hoffman's girlfriend would be accused of this type of thing... adds more fuel to the fire.

[ChiLla]

Man, this is truly messed up. I really feel for them after what they had to go through already... and now this? Wow.

[maas_art]

5 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Other players wives now coming out saying it is not surprising that Hoffman's girlfriend would be accused of this type of thing... adds more fuel to the fire.

Yikes.   This could potentially end Hoffman's career.  I mean if its proven he knew about it and/or he stays with his fiance?  He wont ever play a game again for Ottawa & what team will take him?  

[habs1952]

50 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Yikes.   This could potentially end Hoffman's career.  I mean if its proven he knew about it and/or he stays with his fiance?  He wont ever play a game again for Ottawa & what team will take him?  

LOL.......THE HABS!!!