jwlk Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 1 hour ago, eldag said: I was happy to see GallyA get a goal albeit he took the rest of the night off for the 12 min he played he was good, not great but good, for a guy who gets one of the least amount of ice time on the team, he had a good night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick-Kane88 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 This is what happens to a team when they simply build around a goalie that has not proved anything at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIENS27 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 7 hours ago, habby67 said: These days you can win Cups with good goalies. A number of those have done so the past several years. Look at Niemi, Murray, Cam Ward, Quick. A guy like Lindgren could win if he had the team in front of him. I am not so confident in Price any longer. Something has to change, a new goalie coach? Something. There are too many facets of the game which are floundering for this team, all at the same time. I would not be surprised to see the team come home 0-3 after their road trip. So when does the panic set in at that point I say.... A general manager that is in touch with today's NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 7 hours ago, Patrick-Kane88 said: This is what happens to a team when they simply build around a goalie that has not proved anything at all. Every team in the league would take Price as their #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted October 15, 2017 Report Share Posted October 15, 2017 http://www.torontosun.com/2017/10/14/simmons-new-jays-uninterested-in-teams-history-promoting-canadians There are two basic problems with the construction of the Montreal Canadiens. 1) No natural centremen; 2) Not enough quickness for today’s NHL ... The Pittsburgh Penguins played 24 playoff games en route to the Stanley Cup. Mark Streit played in three of them, none in the final. Why the Canadiens figured Streit could help them was pure inexpensive desperation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick-Kane88 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 8 hours ago, habs1952 said: Every team in the league would take Price as their #1. Not at 10 millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlk Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 3 hours ago, Patrick-Kane88 said: Not at 10 millions. im with that, at 10 mill the teams that would take him shrank by a wide margin, considering his start this year im sure its closer to 0 than 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 THIS is going to be a tough week. Three games in four nights. San Jose, L.A., and Anaheim. I guess I'd consider 3 points a smashing success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 5 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said: THIS is going to be a tough week. Three games in four nights. San Jose, L.A., and Anaheim. I guess I'd consider 3 points a smashing success. I'd consider 3 points hell freezing over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habby67 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 They have to have a terrible record of winning in regulation. Otherwise, it would just happen to be my luck watching them win games that go into overtime seemingly over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 Most experts and analysts say that 20 games is what gives you a clear idea of the season. We're now 6 games in, 1 - 4 - 1 so some would say "dont panic" - especially considering our possession and shot numbers are good, but you have to wonder when is the time to panic? Can we make it to 20 games, and if things are still not good, right the ship to save the season? That would be a huge hole to dig yourself out of. Already we're in a tough spot. Last night's game worries me more than any of the others (save washington). This is not a great Sharks team and yet we were fighting the puck all night. Has our confidence already gone? How quickly can we get it back? The problem is that we're slow (predictable with this roster), having trouble scoring (somewhat predictable with this roster), the defense especially is having trouble with the new system (largely predictable with such a massive turn-over in players) and Price is playing... well, not Pricean (Not predictable). My concern is that our trusty GM doesnt have the skill-set to fix this problem. I suspect that as people like Molson come to him & say "should we worry?" he'll point to teams like the NYR and Edmonton & say "they're great teams having bad starts too, dont worry" and he'll buy himself some more time. So where do we go from here? Rumours are that MB is trying to land Tavares, or maybe Sam Reinhart, but will either fix the problems we have? Id argue our bigger problems lie on the blueline, although you cant help be notice we cant score at all. Karl Alzner is 2nd in scoring after 6 games as I type this. Nikita Kucherov has more points than our top 4 scorers combined. I see a few scenarios: 1) Our luck gets better, we start scoring (and winning) and we do ok - maybe finishing the season as a top 3 team in our division. 2) We have a few more bad games, our confidence gets worse, and we go into a tailspin 3) We make a big trade that either leads to 1 or 2. The question we have to ask is: would scenario 1 get us the cup? I personally doubt it & have said so since the summer. I thought at the time this team would be ok in the regular season (so far not looking so good) but ive contended we are not at all built for the playoffs. So is the correct scenario #2? Do we want to lose some more games, let the BOG or Molson fire MB (Will they?) and then start a rebuild? It would suck because we seemed so close to contenders just a couple of years ago but i think most of us would agree this team, even if they turn it around in the regular season, is unlikely to do any damage in the post-season. Imagine what a young, talented team like Edmonton, or Toronto might pay in terms of prospects or picks for guys like Pacioretty, Price, Weber, etc? We could retain all players under 24 and still have a good young core to start with. Maybe you keep a guy like Price (lord know you'll be able to afford him if you load up on rookies) and ship out all the other high profile veterans. I just dont see a way we can be competitive for the ultimate prize with this roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 40 minutes ago, maas_art said: Most experts and analysts say that 20 games is what gives you a clear idea of the season. We're now 6 games in, 1 - 4 - 1 so some would say "dont panic" - especially considering our possession and shot numbers are good, but you have to wonder when is the time to panic? Can we make it to 20 games, and if things are still not good, right the ship to save the season? That would be a huge hole to dig yourself out of. Already we're in a tough spot. Last night's game worries me more than any of the others (save washington). This is not a great Sharks team and yet we were fighting the puck all night. Has our confidence already gone? How quickly can we get it back? The problem is that we're slow (predictable with this roster), having trouble scoring (somewhat predictable with this roster), the defense especially is having trouble with the new system (largely predictable with such a massive turn-over in players) and Price is playing... well, not Pricean (Not predictable). My concern is that our trusty GM doesnt have the skill-set to fix this problem. I suspect that as people like Molson come to him & say "should we worry?" he'll point to teams like the NYR and Edmonton & say "they're great teams having bad starts too, dont worry" and he'll buy himself some more time. So where do we go from here? Rumours are that MB is trying to land Tavares, or maybe Sam Reinhart, but will either fix the problems we have? Id argue our bigger problems lie on the blueline, although you cant help be notice we cant score at all. Karl Alzner is 2nd in scoring after 6 games as I type this. Nikita Kucherov has more points than our top 4 scorers combined. I see a few scenarios: 1) Our luck gets better, we start scoring (and winning) and we do ok - maybe finishing the season as a top 3 team in our division. 2) We have a few more bad games, our confidence gets worse, and we go into a tailspin 3) We make a big trade that either leads to 1 or 2. The question we have to ask is: would scenario 1 get us the cup? I personally doubt it & have said so since the summer. I thought at the time this team would be ok in the regular season (so far not looking so good) but ive contended we are not at all built for the playoffs. So is the correct scenario #2? Do we want to lose some more games, let the BOG or Molson fire MB (Will they?) and then start a rebuild? It would suck because we seemed so close to contenders just a couple of years ago but i think most of us would agree this team, even if they turn it around in the regular season, is unlikely to do any damage in the post-season. Imagine what a young, talented team like Edmonton, or Toronto might pay in terms of prospects or picks for guys like Pacioretty, Price, Weber, etc? We could retain all players under 24 and still have a good young core to start with. Maybe you keep a guy like Price (lord know you'll be able to afford him if you load up on rookies) and ship out all the other high profile veterans. I just dont see a way we can be competitive for the ultimate prize with this roster. I feel a bit crazy saying this but i would trade Price. i have a lot of faith in Lindgren and if we are not going to be able to win with Price he needs to go. imagine what we may be able to get for him? we could get JT and someone else and or picks. then we could perhaps make another move to get the help on D that we need. if with Drouin JT and Patches we still can'r score something is very wrong! with the extra offence we should then have we would need to depend a little less on all world goaltending as long as we shore up our D. It may never happen but one can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 oh yeah, at this point every player on the team is a minus. wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Coast_Juggalo_13 Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 On 10/16/2017 at 1:24 AM, jwlk said: im with that, at 10 mill the teams that would take him shrank by a wide margin, considering his start this year im sure its closer to 0 than 10 If Jim Benning either drops the Sedins or resigns them at a comfortable discount this off-season, he might be willing to offer an attractive enough package to land Price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 38 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said: I feel a bit crazy saying this but i would trade Price. . Hes got a no movement clause . I heard 15 teams he wont go to Then you have to find a team with $10 m cap space to fit him in . And even if MB was able to snag JT why would JT want to sign here long term with this group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, maas_art said: Most experts and analysts say that 20 games is what gives you a clear idea of the season. We're now 6 games in, 1 - 4 - 1 so some would say "dont panic" - especially considering our possession and shot numbers are good, but you have to wonder when is the time to panic? Can we make it to 20 games, and if things are still not good, right the ship to save the season? I think TSN posted Habs record in the last 50 games is .500. If they make it to the 20 game mark and are still in a hole they would need to play amazing hockey for the last 60 games to get back into the race . Probably wont happen . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, maas_art said: So is the correct scenario #2? Do we want to lose some more games, let the BOG or Molson fire MB (Will they?) and then start a rebuild? It would suck because we seemed so close to contenders just a couple of years ago but i think most of us would agree this team, even if they turn it around in the regular season, is unlikely to do any damage in the post-season. I think MB will be gone soon but if MB was the best pick at the time it makes me wonder what is available in Quebec to succeed him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlk Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 6 minutes ago, habs1952 said: I think MB will be gone soon but if MB was the best pick at the time it makes me wonder what is available in Quebec to succeed him? patrick roy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 16 minutes ago, habs1952 said: I think MB will be gone soon but if MB was the best pick at the time it makes me wonder what is available in Quebec to succeed him? 9 minutes ago, jwlk said: patrick roy? Yeah, thats worries me too. Unless they are willing to employ a non-francophone GM, the pickin's will be slim. I wonder if they would consider someone within the organization. Rick Dudley certainly has the pedigree. But how much of what MB has done is also something Dudley would do? Or does he have a different vision? What about Timmins, who clearly is one of the best analysts of talent in the organization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, habs1952 said: I think MB will be gone soon but if MB was the best pick at the time it makes me wonder what is available in Quebec to succeed him? Talk about a lack of priorities. Let's make the Stanley Cup as our ONLY objective rather than appeasing to Quebec politics. This team has GOT to move on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 3 hours ago, ramcharger440 said: I feel a bit crazy saying this but i would trade Price. i have a lot of faith in Lindgren and if we are not going to be able to win with Price he needs to go. imagine what we may be able to get for him? we could get JT and someone else and or picks. then we could perhaps make another move to get the help on D that we need. if with Drouin JT and Patches we still can'r score something is very wrong! with the extra offence we should then have we would need to depend a little less on all world goaltending as long as we shore up our D. It may never happen but one can dream. Price would be expendable in my eyes. Every veteran on this team would be expendable IMO. Time for a rebuild starting with MB on down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIENS27 Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 5 hours ago, maas_art said: Most experts and analysts say that 20 games is what gives you a clear idea of the season. We're now 6 games in, 1 - 4 - 1 so some would say "dont panic" - especially considering our possession and shot numbers are good, but you have to wonder when is the time to panic? Can we make it to 20 games, and if things are still not good, right the ship to save the season? That would be a huge hole to dig yourself out of. Already we're in a tough spot. Last night's game worries me more than any of the others (save washington). This is not a great Sharks team and yet we were fighting the puck all night. Has our confidence already gone? How quickly can we get it back? The problem is that we're slow (predictable with this roster), having trouble scoring (somewhat predictable with this roster), the defense especially is having trouble with the new system (largely predictable with such a massive turn-over in players) and Price is playing... well, not Pricean (Not predictable). My concern is that our trusty GM doesnt have the skill-set to fix this problem. I suspect that as people like Molson come to him & say "should we worry?" he'll point to teams like the NYR and Edmonton & say "they're great teams having bad starts too, dont worry" and he'll buy himself some more time. So where do we go from here? Rumours are that MB is trying to land Tavares, or maybe Sam Reinhart, but will either fix the problems we have? Id argue our bigger problems lie on the blueline, although you cant help be notice we cant score at all. Karl Alzner is 2nd in scoring after 6 games as I type this. Nikita Kucherov has more points than our top 4 scorers combined. I see a few scenarios: 1) Our luck gets better, we start scoring (and winning) and we do ok - maybe finishing the season as a top 3 team in our division. 2) We have a few more bad games, our confidence gets worse, and we go into a tailspin 3) We make a big trade that either leads to 1 or 2. The question we have to ask is: would scenario 1 get us the cup? I personally doubt it & have said so since the summer. I thought at the time this team would be ok in the regular season (so far not looking so good) but ive contended we are not at all built for the playoffs. So is the correct scenario #2? Do we want to lose some more games, let the BOG or Molson fire MB (Will they?) and then start a rebuild? It would suck because we seemed so close to contenders just a couple of years ago but i think most of us would agree this team, even if they turn it around in the regular season, is unlikely to do any damage in the post-season. Imagine what a young, talented team like Edmonton, or Toronto might pay in terms of prospects or picks for guys like Pacioretty, Price, Weber, etc? We could retain all players under 24 and still have a good young core to start with. Maybe you keep a guy like Price (lord know you'll be able to afford him if you load up on rookies) and ship out all the other high profile veterans. I just dont see a way we can be competitive for the ultimate prize with this roster. The best chance is for a new owner who can stand up to the French media and say enough is enough. That person would know who to bring in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 And hey, wasn't it Serge Savard who recommended MB to Molson? He should just stick to TV commercials! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 34 minutes ago, habs1952 said: And hey, wasn't it Serge Savard who recommended MB to Molson? He should just stick to TV commercials! Yup, Savard was in charge of the search. He also stated it would be indefensible to hire a non-Francophone for the GM or coach's jobs. So we know where Savard's priorities lie... not with winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 Molson said today he's still optimistic about the team. I supposed that doesnt necessarily mean he's not looking at replacements, but i worry he's just going to let MB run the course of the season. http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/canadien-la-confiance-inebranlable-de-geoff-molson-1.5820366 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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