Jump to content
The Official Site of the Montréal Canadiens
Canadiens de Montreal

State of the Habs


Recommended Posts

29 minutes ago, MuddyWaterMoose said:

So, while talking about the state the Habs are in, Chris Nilan says that it's a shame because this is such a great organization. I hear this a lot, but I'm seriously doubting that right now. It's extremely difficult be at all optimistic about this club when I hear a panel like this vehemently state that there is no way what so ever that they would ever hire a non French speaking coach or GM. So, in essence, politics and stubbornness will forever keep this team spinning in a state a mediocracy. 

So I ask, to anyone, convince me of the greatness of this organization. What proof is there to support that statement from the last 25-30 years? What good reason is there to even hang in there with dreadful bunch?

For the sake of the CH and its proud history! Time to put aside petty politics aside in favor of skill and who is best suited for the job(s) instead of the French first policy. We had the the most winning-est coaches who were uni-lingual throughout our history, including Scotty Bowman. Time to face reality.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

57 minutes ago, MuddyWaterMoose said:

So, while talking about the state the Habs are in, Chris Nilan says that it's a shame because this is such a great organization. I hear this a lot, but I'm seriously doubting that right now. It's extremely difficult be at all optimistic about this club when I hear a panel like this vehemently state that there is no way what so ever that they would ever hire a non French speaking coach or GM. So, in essence, politics and stubbornness will forever keep this team spinning in a state a mediocracy. 

So I ask, to anyone, convince me of the greatness of this organization. What proof is there to support that statement from the last 25-30 years? What good reason is there to even hang in there with dreadful bunch?

The team died in 1994. They're just having a prolonged funeral.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Guillaume Lefrancois of La Presse posted a reference to two team stats today that some of the hockey dinosaurs love to reference: hits and blocked shots.

Lefrancois' point is that teams who lead in these categories are generally bad and his data shows that: the Habs rank 2nd in the league in hits, behind the Oilers. The Coyotes, Sens, and Sabres are also in the top 10 for hits. The Habs are first in the league in blocked shots, and a lot of the bad teams are ranked highly in that category too. The obvious reason for this is that if you have the puck and are dictating play the other team is trying to hit you and block your shots. You only generate these stats if you're the inferior team, with a few exceptions. But the general point is that fans and GM's and coaches should stop drooling over players who are leaders in shot blocks or hits, because these things likely don't contribute to winning games. That's why players like Josh Gorges and Karl Alzner and Nic Deslauriers and Brandon Prust and so on can be overvalued if you look at those stats alone. This isn't to say hitting is bad or that all guys who hit or block shots are bad. Just that you need to look at other data as well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The Habs' D is better this year than last year . The GM said it was .

The results speak for themselves .

It's no one's fault that things are worse this year . Stuff happens.

Just like the GM though JD would be a C and he and MP would have chemistry . Well he isn't and they don't and its no one's fault that none of this came about .

It's always no one's fault .

 

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

The Habs' D is better this year than last year . The GM said it was .

The results speak for themselves .

It's no one's fault that things are worse this year . Stuff happens.

Just like the GM though JD would be a C and he and MP would have chemistry . Well he isn't and they don't and its no one's fault that none of this came about .

It's always no one's fault .

 

 

 

 

In any business you have to hold the very top accountable, and how it filters down to the rest, so there is someone to blame basically.

It is becoming blatantly obvious that this owner's first priority is his Molson beer products, and that the Montreal Canadiens seem to be a mere side show and hobby for him IMO.

Why else would an owner of this once proud franchise let it sink to this current sate, and still keep a GM employed who has no clue and who is responsible for this mess? Because he has no hockey sense basically.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Asking what would the Bruins record be this year with CJ and like MB doesn't see it? Like the team doesn't see it?  With all the pressure on him/them? The state of the Habs is Zinzin whatever the heck that is.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Habs have 29 games left and 50 pts.   Historically teams need about 94-96 pts to secure a playoff spot.    That means they have to win 22-23 of 29.    This is not going to happen given this roster.

This 2 game win streak ... bleh, all this tells me is they're going to try and win 22-23 ... probably wind up winning 18-20 and missing the playoffs by 2 pts and get a middle 1st rounder instead of a top 5 like they could if they'd just realize the truth and tank.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, HabsAlways said:

Habs have 29 games left and 50 pts.   Historically teams need about 94-96 pts to secure a playoff spot.    That means they have to win 22-23 of 29.    This is not going to happen given this roster.

This 2 game win streak ... bleh, all this tells me is they're going to try and win 22-23 ... probably wind up winning 18-20 and missing the playoffs by 2 pts and get a middle 1st rounder instead of a top 5 like they could if they'd just realize the truth and tank.

You have to remember no matter the standings the players all still want to win. Even if they don't make the playoffs they all want to have a strong finish. It can make a difference to their careers which can impact their families lives ect. It doesn't matter what "joe fan" thinks they should do. Personally I'd rather see the team actually make the playoffs or at least give 100% effort to try! As Phoenix , Buffalo ect. have shown a high draft pick doesn't always mean any  immediate change.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, HabsAlways said:

Habs have 29 games left and 50 pts.   Historically teams need about 94-96 pts to secure a playoff spot.    That means they have to win 22-23 of 29.    This is not going to happen given this roster.

This 2 game win streak ... bleh, all this tells me is they're going to try and win 22-23 ... probably wind up winning 18-20 and missing the playoffs by 2 pts and get a middle 1st rounder instead of a top 5 like they could if they'd just realize the truth and tank.

Sounds about right.  Either that or we'll actually go on some miraculous run, Price will play all-world and we'll actually make the playoffs and lose in 4 straight to TB. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

22 hours ago, CaptWelly said:

You have to remember no matter the standings the players all still want to win. Even if they don't make the playoffs they all want to have a strong finish. It can make a difference to their careers which can impact their families lives ect. It doesn't matter what "joe fan" thinks they should do. Personally I'd rather see the team actually make the playoffs or at least give 100% effort to try! As Phoenix , Buffalo ect. have shown a high draft pick doesn't always mean any  immediate change.  

Another problem is Bergevin won't draft the players this team needs.  

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

TSN released its list of top 50 nhl-affiliated players (not currently playing in the nhl).  

Unsurprisingly we dont have a single player on that list.    

Poehling is our top ranked guy but he's not in the top 50.  Juulsen, Scherbak, Ikonen and Bitten are the other 4 they note for us. 

Here's who they have ranked in their top 10.

1. Pettersson (C)  Vancouver
2. Tolvanen (RW) Nashville
3. Necas (C) Carolina
4. Glass (C/RW) Vegas
5. Mittelstadt (C) Buffalo
6. Thomas (C) St Louis
7. Sorokin (G) NYI
8. Heiskanen (D) Dallas
9. Shesterkin (G) NYR
10. Samsonov (G) Washington

 A couple of names (Thomas, Tolvanen) Ive heard rumors linked to us.   I really really hope that MB is smart enough to make a move for a guy like Thomas if he's on the table.  

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, maas_art said:

TSN released its list of top 50 nhl-affiliated players (not currently playing in the nhl).  

Unsurprisingly we dont have a single player on that list.    

Poehling is our top ranked guy but he's not in the top 50.  Juulsen, Scherbak, Ikonen and Bitten are the other 4 they note for us. 

Here's who they have ranked in their top 10.

1. Pettersson (C)  Vancouver
2. Tolvanen (RW) Nashville
3. Necas (C) Carolina
4. Glass (C/RW) Vegas
5. Mittelstadt (C) Buffalo
6. Thomas (C) St Louis
7. Sorokin (G) NYI
8. Heiskanen (D) Dallas
9. Shesterkin (G) NYR
10. Samsonov (G) Washington

 A couple of names (Thomas, Tolvanen) Ive heard rumors linked to us.   I really really hope that MB is smart enough to make a move for a guy like Thomas if he's on the table.  

I've seen other lists with Poehling and I think maybe even Lindgren on them...

Would love to get Thomas or Necas. Tolvanen less so with his not being a center.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

They can go on a 20 game winning streak they're not making the playoffs .

The teams they have to overcome have to go on losing streaks  and that's not going to happen

Fire JJD, Lacroix , MB , Dudley , Mellanby , Carriere, the player development people since they cant seem to develop anyone

Dont let MB make any trades

Find someone in the organization who can Trade Plekanec as he's an UFA

Sit Froese, Deslauriers, Alzner, Benn, schlemko,

Put Weber ,Danault , Shaw on injured reserve for the rest of the year

And play the heck out of Carr , Scherback, Mcarron , Lernout, Juleson ,  Mete, Hudon ,  etc and see if they have what it takes to be an NHL player

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 hours ago, Regis22 said:

They can go on a 20 game winning streak they're not making the playoffs .

The teams they have to overcome have to go on losing streaks  and that's not going to happen

Fire JJD, Lacroix , MB , Dudley , Mellanby , Carriere, the player development people since they cant seem to develop anyone

Dont let MB make any trades

Find someone in the organization who can Trade Plekanec as he's an UFA

Sit Froese, Deslauriers, Alzner, Benn, schlemko,

Put Weber ,Danault , Shaw on injured reserve for the rest of the year

And play the heck out of Carr , Scherback, Mcarron , Lernout, Juleson ,  Mete, Hudon ,  etc and see if they have what it takes to be an NHL player

 

 

This would seem to be the logical course of action but unfortunately we seem to have no capacity for logic in our management group. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • H_T_L locked this topic
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...