Regis22 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 27 minutes ago, BigTed3 said: . But count Alzner, Schlemko, Benn, Morrow, and maybe Jerabek as 5 guys who might not be in the NHL with any other team. Alzner - the big UFA signing of the summer Schlemko - left unprotected by SJ, Picked up by LV and traded to Montreal for a 5 th Benn - Greg Pateryn was dealt by the Canadiens to the Dallas Stars along with a 4th round draft pick in the 2017 NHL Entry Draft for defenseman Jordie Benn Morrow - UFA signing . Yup, after dismantling almost all of last year's D , MB in a panic , signed all the UFA d men he could find . And don't forget the big Mark Streit signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANADIENS27 Posted February 18, 2018 Report Share Posted February 18, 2018 And last night Niemi was horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windoe Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Hey now...look at that...we're in 29th. Much better to be here than say 25th or 26th. If we finish 29th, we'll be picking somewhere between 1st and 6th. Too bad its a winger year (unless we pick 1st of course), but nonetheless, we'll pick up a good asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, Windoe said: ........., we'll pick up a good asset. Unless they trade him , otherwise let's watch him develop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 57 minutes ago, Windoe said: Hey now...look at that...we're in 29th. Much better to be here than say 25th or 26th. If we finish 29th, we'll be picking somewhere between 1st and 6th. Too bad its a winger year (unless we pick 1st of course), but nonetheless, we'll pick up a good asset. The goal is a top 5 pick, be it through finishing badly enough or winning the lottery. That way, you get one of Dahlin, Zadina, Svechnikov, Tkachuk, or Boqvist (and right now, that's my order, subject to change). If you get a D man with puck-moving ability, then that's a need. If you get a guy who's potentially a top-line winger, than so be it. You take best player available. The worst mistake would be to try and reach for a center who's ranked 10th-15th with a top 5 pick. Let's say you get Zadina. So your wingers as it stands now are Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Drouin, Lehkonen, Gallagher, Hudon, Scherbak, Byron, and Shaw. Throw in Zadina, and you have 10 guys who can potentially fill 6 spots in the top 9. Obviously, you want to keep your new top pick. I think you also work with Hudon, Scherbak, and Lehkonen, because all those guys are promising youngsters whose trade value probably isn't as high as their potential value to you down the line. But I think that reinforces the need and ability to trade Pacioretty and maybe Byron and Shaw. And it also begs the question of whether AG should be tried at RW or at 2C again. So potentially, if you can deal Pacioretty for a future 1C, then you can build around something like Drouin-1C-Scherbak Zadina-Galchenyuk-Gallagher (giving them weighted O-zone starts) Lehkonen-Danault-Hudon Carr-Byron-Shaw That's a pretty young, fast, talented line-up of forwards, and you still have Poehling/Ikonen potentially coming up the ranks down the line. The major issue here is that you haven't addressed any of the problems with the D corps. Another potential solution then would be to deal Weber for a top 6 center and young D man, to fill two needs, and then trade Pacioretty for a #1 D man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windoe Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 58 minutes ago, BigTed3 said: The goal is a top 5 pick, be it through finishing badly enough or winning the lottery. That way, you get one of Dahlin, Zadina, Svechnikov, Tkachuk, or Boqvist (and right now, that's my order, subject to change). If you get a D man with puck-moving ability, then that's a need. If you get a guy who's potentially a top-line winger, than so be it. You take best player available. The worst mistake would be to try and reach for a center who's ranked 10th-15th with a top 5 pick. Let's say you get Zadina. So your wingers as it stands now are Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Drouin, Lehkonen, Gallagher, Hudon, Scherbak, Byron, and Shaw. Throw in Zadina, and you have 10 guys who can potentially fill 6 spots in the top 9. Obviously, you want to keep your new top pick. I think you also work with Hudon, Scherbak, and Lehkonen, because all those guys are promising youngsters whose trade value probably isn't as high as their potential value to you down the line. But I think that reinforces the need and ability to trade Pacioretty and maybe Byron and Shaw. And it also begs the question of whether AG should be tried at RW or at 2C again. So potentially, if you can deal Pacioretty for a future 1C, then you can build around something like Drouin-1C-Scherbak Zadina-Galchenyuk-Gallagher (giving them weighted O-zone starts) Lehkonen-Danault-Hudon Carr-Byron-Shaw That's a pretty young, fast, talented line-up of forwards, and you still have Poehling/Ikonen potentially coming up the ranks down the line. The major issue here is that you haven't addressed any of the problems with the D corps. Another potential solution then would be to deal Weber for a top 6 center and young D man, to fill two needs, and then trade Pacioretty for a #1 D man. Yep, we're not getting the results we want right now, but we're not too far away from having a decent talented young forward corps like you've outlined here, assuming we can get those centers, which I think we can. I really think we can count on Scherbak to make the leap to a top 9 (if not top 6) winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 With Scherbak being sent down to the AHL, there's one less reason for me to watch the games. The move might be good for the tank though, we don't need skill to lose hockey games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 The kid played well from what I saw of him. No doubt he gets called back up by or before the trade deadline,,,, assuming we make any moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, ChiLla said: With Scherbak being sent down to the AHL, there's one less reason for me to watch the games. The move might be good for the tank though, we don't need skill to lose hockey games. lets hope thats what it is because if this management group honestly thinks he's been worse than anyone ready to replace him then they all need to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noob616 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Scherbak sent down to Laval. Great asset management, just simply can't risk losing studs like Byron Froese or Logan Shaw. Might get a conditional 2069 7th round pick for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 We’re now only 7 points up on Arizona with 23 games to go! Lets go Tank!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 50 minutes ago, maas_art said: We’re now only 7 points up on Arizona with 23 games to go! Lets go Tank!! Only if we could play them a few more times this season! Rats! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Deslauriers resigned to a two-year one-way extension. Renaud Lavoie saying it's worth $950,000 per season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 28 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said: Deslauriers resigned to a two-year one-way extension. Renaud Lavoie saying it's worth $950,000 per season. Totally makes sense. Lets paint the walls while the roof caves in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 at least the fourth line winger is locked up for 2 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketbelifleur Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 5 hours ago, ChiLla said: With Scherbak being sent down to the AHL, there's one less reason for me to watch the games. The move might be good for the tank though, we don't need skill to lose hockey games. What is it with this organization? He was a desperately needed breath of fresh air for this team - back to the usual STENCH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketbelifleur Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 ... and: way to build his confidence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 Management still believes this team can make the playoffs . They have to make room for the return of Shaw and Danault . What they should do is trade Plekanec , Shaw, Danault and Weber down for the year and then play the heck out of Scherbak, L Shaw, Michael McCarron, Daniel Carr, C Terry and A Cracknell to see if these guys have any future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 1 hour ago, jennifer_rocket said: Deslauriers resigned to a two-year one-way extension. Renaud Lavoie saying it's worth $950,000 per season. Gotta shore up that grit. I don't have a problem with the extension. The kid has earned one. I don't understand the need to prioritize our 4th line guys and to give them anything more then 1 year at a time though. Baffling to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 This is the problem with the Scherbak move: - Julien recently said "if Scherbak plays well like he has, he won't be going back to Laval." Then Scherbak elevates his level of play and he still gets demoted. So yet another lie from the organization. How can fans/media/players trust the coach and GM? - We sent him down because he was waiver-exempt, sure. But there is really zero concern about losing Froese or Morrow or Logan Shaw. Or even Schlemko or Alzner. Who cares. I don't think any of them have any value on the market and if someone claims them, who really cares. These players make our team worse, so what's the point in trying to protect them from the waiver wire. We should have been happy to expose them. - The real purpose of the rest of the season is to tank for a good pick but also to give our young guys experience. We failed miserably at doing this under Therrien, when we sat Beaulieu and Tinordi and Pateryn while playing Bouillon and Murray... we've done awfully at this trying to develop Galchenyuk and Hudon and others. So for Pete's sake, play the young guys. There is never going to be a better learning opportunity than now to give Mete 25 minutes a night and to play Scherbak in the top 6 and try Galchenyuk or Hudon at center. There is zero benefit to continuing to use Froese or Morrow or Schlemko or so on because these guys have no future here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 2 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said: Deslauriers resigned to a two-year one-way extension. Renaud Lavoie saying it's worth $950,000 per season. Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted February 19, 2018 Report Share Posted February 19, 2018 56 minutes ago, BigTed3 said: This is the problem with the Scherbak move: - Julien recently said "if Scherbak plays well like he has, he won't be going back to Laval." Then Scherbak elevates his level of play and he still gets demoted. So yet another lie from the organization. How can fans/media/players trust the coach and GM? Yeah, i was wondering about this. Callups/senddowns are GM moves. Makes you wonder if CJ was on board with this or if MB just say "this is the way it is Claude." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 7 pts separates the Habs from the bottom of the league https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/standings#/league this is doable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanhab81 Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 Good move sending scherbek down... hopefully this move gets del la rose more ice time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 I'm as confused as everyone else. Sending Scherbak down... Prioritizing the extension for Deslauriers over literally an infinite number of more important things. A strange series of moves. Par for the course for this organization though. The next news I expect to be announced is an extension for Plekanec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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