State of the Habs

[CANADIENS27]

4 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

 Nicolas Deslauriers gave a shot towards his teammates after last night’s defeat.  He criticized the Canadiens by saying that the team has nobody who will crash the net and try to work for a rebound.  Deslauriers added that not having any willingness for second chances is killing them.

How soon does he get dealt as a result of his comments?  

 

 

[CANADIENS27]

No scoring and no defense last night, a recurring theme.  

 

 

[Walrus_26]

They've certainly managed to rediscover the forward gears on the Tank.

[jwlk]

i love this, not sure if its an F U to the fans or just a joke

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/canadiens-read-mean-tweets~1344850

[habs1952]

3 hours ago, CANADIENS27 said:

How soon does he get dealt as a result of his comments?  

 

 

He should be so lucky.

[habs1952]

Sounds just like the habs: https://www.tsn.ca/zetterberg-rips-young-red-wings-for-poke-and-hope-effort-1.1022456

[Regis22]

8 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

 Nicolas Deslauriers gave a shot towards his teammates after last night’s defeat.  He criticized the Canadiens by saying that the team has nobody who will crash the net and try to work for a rebound.  Deslauriers added that not having any willingness for second chances is killing them.

Has he seen the wingers ?

and has he done anything since resigning for 2 years.

[BigTed3]

6 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

Has he seen the wingers ?

and has he done anything since resigning for 2 years.

Deslauriers has 1 assist in his last 15 games. He has 3 G, 1A in his last 27. Which is fine. He's a fringe 4th liner. It was extremely predictable that he was not going to maintain a 20%+ shooting percentage, and his production lately has been fair-to-weak given that he's getting between 12-14 minutes of ice time on most nights. This is what I've been saying all along: Deslauriers did a nice job when he got here at finishing chances and he works hard, but he's not going to maintain production long-term and he's not really any better than guys like Carr, Mitchell, Froese, etc. He's an average 4th liner, the type of guy MB loves to have on his team and prematurely give extensions to.

[Ravadak]

Delaurias is right nobody willing to pay the price. Our so called sniper who gets more power play time then almost anyone else on the team has 3 goals in his last 19 games

All in one game and gets paid almost 5 million a year and we are worried about a fringe player making 775000 a year. He is not the problem but a player like Galchenyk is.

 

Galchenyk is paid to score and isn't. Delaurier is paid to stir things up and be a physical presence and is doing his job. 

[CaptWelly]

13 hours ago, habs1952 said:

Sounds just like the habs: https://www.tsn.ca/zetterberg-rips-young-red-wings-for-poke-and-hope-effort-1.1022456

Well he is correct if you want to actually win than you have to play a complete game not just be good only in the offensive zone. 

[CaptWelly]

14 hours ago, jwlk said:

i love this, not sure if its an F U to the fans or just a joke

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/canadiens-read-mean-tweets~1344850

Gee and fans wonder why star players don't want to sign here and young stars don't want to stay. As soon as it gets bad (and even when good) the fans here get so negative so quickly. 

[Regis22]

15 hours ago, Ravadak said:

Delaurias is right nobody willing to pay the price. Our so called sniper who gets more power play time then almost anyone else on the team has 3 goals in his last 19 games

All in one game and gets paid almost 5 million a year and we are worried about a fringe player making 775000 a year. He is not the problem but a player like Galchenyk is.

 

Galchenyk is paid to score and isn't. Delaurier is paid to stir things up and be a physical presence and is doing his job. 

I don't think a 4 th liner,  should be critiquing what's wrong with this team when there 's ALOT of things wrong

What about that 30 goal sniper MAX ??

[Habs=stanleycup]

5 hours ago, CaptWelly said:

Gee and fans wonder why star players don't want to sign here and young stars don't want to stay. As soon as it gets bad (and even when good) the fans here get so negative so quickly. 

The Habs are a very proud team and have always been held to a higher standard than any other team in the NHL. Players who are potentially part of this organization should be mature enough to realize this.

However under the current Owner & GM it is no wonder we are failing.

[jeff33]

4 minutes ago, Habs=stanleycup said:

The Habs are a very proud team and have always been held to a higher standard than any other team in the NHL. Players who are potentially part of this organization should be mature enough to realize this.

However under the current Owner & GM it is no wonder we are failing.

exactly. I grew up in toronto but I became a habs fan  because of their tradition and history which I consider the best in sports. This team right now makes me want to puke, and im GLAD the fan base is furious, because it shows we care about what the habs franchise is all about, which is excellence and being the class of the league.

trading for john scott to keep him out of the all star game? trading subban, the biggest fan favourite in decades,to appease a crony? not even dealing direct with markov, a habs legend who belongs in our hall of fame with a take it or leave it ultimatum? sending out this joke roster and telling us "its just a bad year" at the end of it when we finish bottom 5? 

we have had it. this is an embarrassment,and until major changes start happening, nobody should take this team seriously,especially the fans

[CANADIENS27]

20 hours ago, habs1952 said:

He should be so lucky.

He wouldn't be if he was a front liner.  

 

 

[Disillusioned1]

21 hours ago, Ravadak said:

Delaurias is right nobody willing to pay the price. Our so called sniper who gets more power play time then almost anyone else on the team has 3 goals in his last 19 games

All in one game and gets paid almost 5 million a year and we are worried about a fringe player making 775000 a year. He is not the problem but a player like Galchenyk is.

 

Galchenyk is paid to score and isn't. Delaurier is paid to stir things up and be a physical presence and is doing his job. 

You know, I was wondering why it was 19, not 15 or 20.  Then I looked at the game log and figured out why.  In any case, in the last 19 games Gallagher had 6 goals, Pacioretty had 5 goals, Drouin had 3 and Galchenyuk had 4.  Now of course, if we narrowed the range to 15 games then Pacioretty only has 1 goal.  By making it 19 games you added 4 more to his total.  Very convenient.

But you're right about one thing.  Delauriers is not paid to score.  With this team he shouldn't be paid at all.  Good thing you're willing to throw Galchenyuk under the bus when all the snipers (other than maybe Gallagher is doing well though.

[CANADIENS27]

Another blown third period lead and four straight losses.  

 

 

[Habs=stanleycup]

HIO Show

 

[Ravadak]

On ‎2018‎-‎03‎-‎10 at 3:28 PM, Regis22 said:

I don't think a 4 th liner,  should be critiquing what's wrong with this team when there 's ALOT of things wrong

What about that 30 goal sniper MAX ??

What about MAx, he is paid 400000 dollars less then Galchenyk, has had 4 straight 30 plus goal seasons, and by far a better player on the defensive side of the puck. IS he having a bad season yep dam tootin he is...

18 hours ago, Disillusioned1 said:

You know, I was wondering why it was 19, not 15 or 20.  Then I looked at the game log and figured out why.  In any case, in the last 19 games Gallagher had 6 goals, Pacioretty had 5 goals, Drouin had 3 and Galchenyuk had 4.  Now of course, if we narrowed the range to 15 games then Pacioretty only has 1 goal.  By making it 19 games you added 4 more to his total.  Very convenient.

But you're right about one thing.  Delauriers is not paid to score.  With this team he shouldn't be paid at all.  Good thing you're willing to throw Galchenyuk under the bus when all the snipers (other than maybe Gallagher is doing well though.

Would it make you happier if I said 20 or 25 or 30? How about 68 games, 9 even strength goals,  WOW....Certainly a good young player to build around, NOT,  oh and by the way Deslauriers who gets paid 750 thousand has 7 even strength goals in only 44 games. Same old with Galchenyk, needs tp play with better players, needs to be given more icetime how do you expect him to play with less skilled players like shaw and lekonen and drouin and hudon and plaks and o an on and on, when he does nothing changes, who cares if he is a minus gazillion RIGHT at least he can score Well 4 goals is 20 games is not scoiring and not what you pay someone 4.9 million for :).  9 even strength goals in 68 game is not scoring is not someone  you pay 4.9 million to.

[ChiLla]

Ryan Johansen has 10 EVG.

Wayne Simmonds has 9 EVG.

Bo Horvat has 9 EVG.

Sam Reinhart has 10 EVG.

Ryan O'Reilly has 8 EVG.

Filip Forsberg has 8 EVG.

Kyle Okposo  has 7 EVG.

Nolan Patrick has 7 EVG.

Kyle Turris has 6 EVG.

Dylan Larkin has 6 EVG.

 

Galchenyuk needs to be better, no doubt about it, but he keeps interesting company as far as EVG. After all those years in the league, I think it's safe to say that there won't be much development anymore, he just is what he is. They don't see him at center, even though we don't have anybody else, so he's a 50 point LW.

The question is, how much worse would we be with him at center? It's not like Drouin has been an upgrade on Galchenyuk in any way but the latter has at least managed to score 30 in that role. Since centers are naturally worth more than wingers in this league, I once again don't understand the thought process here. We pay a steep price to acquire a very talented natural LW and convert him to center where he just isn't playing very well, while we already have a very talented scoring center who we converted to wing because his defense sucks.

Since Galchenyuk will eventually be traded anyway, wouldn't it have been smarter to simply let him play center and keep Drouin at wing? As a purely offensive center, Galchenyuk would certainly be worth more as a trade chip, while Drouin would have likely produced better numbers as well. Now we have a 50-point LW and a #1 center who may not even reach 40 points on the season, yay.

[Disillusioned1]

On 3/11/2018 at 3:31 PM, Ravadak said:

What about MAx, he is paid 400000 dollars less then Galchenyk, has had 4 straight 30 plus goal seasons, and by far a better player on the defensive side of the puck. IS he having a bad season yep dam tootin he is...

Would it make you happier if I said 20 or 25 or 30? How about 68 games, 9 even strength goals,  WOW....Certainly a good young player to build around, NOT,  oh and by the way Deslauriers who gets paid 750 thousand has 7 even strength goals in only 44 games. Same old with Galchenyk, needs tp play with better players, needs to be given more icetime how do you expect him to play with less skilled players like shaw and lekonen and drouin and hudon and plaks and o an on and on, when he does nothing changes, who cares if he is a minus gazillion RIGHT at least he can score Well 4 goals is 20 games is not scoiring and not what you pay someone 4.9 million for :).  9 even strength goals in 68 game is not scoring is not someone  you pay 4.9 million to.

On 3/11/2018 at 3:31 PM, Ravadak said:

What about MAx, he is paid 400000 dollars less then Galchenyk, has had 4 straight 30 plus goal seasons, and by far a better player on the defensive side of the puck. IS he having a bad season yep dam tootin he is...

Would it make you happier if I said 20 or 25 or 30? How about 68 games, 9 even strength goals,  WOW....Certainly a good young player to build around, NOT,  oh and by the way Deslauriers who gets paid 750 thousand has 7 even strength goals in only 44 games. Same old with Galchenyk, needs tp play with better players, needs to be given more icetime how do you expect him to play with less skilled players like shaw and lekonen and drouin and hudon and plaks and o an on and on, when he does nothing changes, who cares if he is a minus gazillion RIGHT at least he can score Well 4 goals is 20 games is not scoiring and not what you pay someone 4.9 million for :).  9 even strength goals in 68 game is not scoring is not someone  you pay 4.9 million to.

ChiLla has addressed it pretty well but I'll play.  How many games did Desharnais play at C without scoring a goal?  What about Plekanec?  McCarron?  Byron?  Ott?  Drouin?  Even when Galchenyuk was putting up points he wasn't put at C.  What about defensive side which you previously mentioned?  Other than Plekanec, which one of those who got to play at C was clear cut better?  Desharnais was so bad he got about zero defensive zone starts but was still first line centre.  What about face-offs?  It's actually kind of funny.  The guy we had who actually was pretty good a possessions, defensive play, face-off and was cheap to boot we traded away.  Remember Lars Eller?  We sure could use him right about now.

And I can't believe you keep a straight face while complaining about Galchenyuk's line mates or time on the power play.  Almost right up until this time last year he was literally play 14 to 15 minutes a game with whichever plugger Bergevin managed to sign.

Then you talk about his contract.  Oh so it was Galchenyuk's contract that bothered you?  I'll play again.  What did Jonathan Drouin do to deserve his six year 33 million dollar contract?  Is he out-producing Galchenyuk?  Why out?  Not only is he not out-producing, he's never even played centre before.  But we traded for him (gave up a top shelf prospect to boot) and plugged him as first line centre.  So we had everybody play centres except Galchenyuk and Hudon, who incidentally are centres.  Yeah that sure makes a lot of sense.  Like I said, it has nothing to do with Galchenyuk producing well, but everything to do with nobody on this team producing well, but you singling him out only.

The question right now is not whether Galchenyuk is first line centre.  He isn't.  If we bothered to develop him maybe he could have been.  But he isn't.  My question is, given what we have, why does anybody else on this team deserve to be the first line centre over him.  Like it or not he's the second leading scorer on this miserable team and has been consistently there for the past two or three years.  So once again, why is Drouin playing ahead of him?  If he's bad defensively why wasn't sheltered like Desharnais was.  Why was DesLauriers signed at all?  Because who needs a top line centre or top paring D, we're all set as long as we have our fourth line plugger signed.  Can't risk him walking in the summer.

[HabsAlways]

1 minute ago, Disillusioned1 said:

ChiLla has addressed it pretty well but I'll play. 

There's no arguing with Ravadak, he has an unhealthy obsession with bashing Galchenyuk.

[habby67]

So Jack Too tells us to relax eh.....

 

Give it a break? I am 50, spoiled to see my beloved Habs win many times during my childhood. I knew it in 80, that things were about to change, it was just a feeling I had. First blunder, they drafted Wickenheiser, instead of Savard. There are too many too list afterwards, a ridiculously long list of lopsided deals which did result in serviceable returns, but at what cost. Listen Jacky boy, got lots of respect for your work and your knowledge but it isn't 1980 and we lose out to Minnesota and our run of 4 cups is over, and we are burning down the Forum because of it. It's 2018 where we have suffered a long, long, long, time witnessing mistakes, puzzling moves, mind blowing disasters and failures. How many times since 80 have we been a contender, a real contender? Thank god for the surprise cups but I can only recall one year we should have won but met a better team in Calgary in 89. Have we recovered from the Roy trade? A hastily orchestrated deal because of an ego trip? So pardon us if we show a little bit of reluctance when it comes to Molson giving MB a stamp of approval. Enough is enough.

[BigTed3]

5 minutes ago, habby67 said:

So Jack Too tells us to relax eh.....

 

Give it a break? I am 50, spoiled to see my beloved Habs win many times during my childhood. I knew it in 80, that things were about to change, it was just a feeling I had. First blunder, they drafted Wickenheiser, instead of Savard. There are too many too list afterwards, a ridiculously long list of lopsided deals which did result in serviceable returns, but at what cost. Listen Jacky boy, got lots of respect for your work and your knowledge but it isn't 1980 and we lose out to Minnesota and our run of 4 cups is over, and we are burning down the Forum because of it. It's 2018 where we have suffered a long, long, long, time witnessing mistakes, puzzling moves, mind blowing disasters and failures. How many times since 80 have we been a contender, a real contender? Thank god for the surprise cups but I can only recall one year we should have won but met a better team in Calgary in 89. Have we recovered from the Roy trade? A hastily orchestrated deal because of an ego trip? So pardon us if we show a little bit of reluctance when it comes to Molson giving MB a stamp of approval. Enough is enough.

What's changed?

The league stopped giving the Habs first crack at Quebec-born players.

Then the league expanded and did it over and over. So now, instead of a 1 in 6 or 1 in 12 or 1 in 12 chance of a Cup, you have a 1 in 31 chance (soon to be 1 in 32 or more). That's Bettman's greed and money-loving for you. Doesn't matter how little support or money is coming in from some of the franchises... the successful teams will pay for it.

Which brings us to revenue sharing, done to benefit the unloved Southern teams and make them competitive.

And the salary cap, which favors the teams with lower taxes in their respective states/provinces.

And the officiating, which seems to favor teams like the Bruins and Rangers... even according to players like Joe Thornton.

So there are a whole host of reasons, mainly related to Bettman's disdain for Canada and putting revenue ahead of fans, that have made it much harder to win a Cup.

 

[Ravadak]

15 hours ago, ChiLla said:

Ryan Johansen has 10 EVG.

Wayne Simmonds has 9 EVG.

Bo Horvat has 9 EVG.

Sam Reinhart has 10 EVG.

Ryan O'Reilly has 8 EVG.

Filip Forsberg has 8 EVG.

Kyle Okposo  has 7 EVG.

Nolan Patrick has 7 EVG.

Kyle Turris has 6 EVG.

Dylan Larkin has 6 EVG.

 

Player   G+/-

FILIP.FORSBERG               19

KYLE.TURRIS       12

BO.HORVAT       9

RYAN.JOHANSEN             8

NOLAN.PATRICK              3

SAM.REINHART                -2

RYAN.O'REILLY  -2

DYLAN.LARKIN  -8

WAYNE.SIMMONDS       -10

ALEX.GALCHENYUK         -13

Who is this on the bottom?

Player   CF% QoC

FILIP.FORSBERG               50.37

DYLAN.LARKIN  50.21

RYAN.O'REILLY  50.2

RYAN.JOHANSEN             50.18

SAM.REINHART                50.15

BO.HORVAT       50.04

KYLE.TURRIS       49.76

WAYNE.SIMMONDS       49.75

NOLAN.PATRICK              49.7

ALEX.GALCHENYUK         49.65

Who is this on the bottom?

 

Player   G

WILLIAM.KARLSSON       24

ANDERS.LEE       21

RICKARD.RAKELL              20

ERIC.STAAL         20

BRAYDEN.POINT              18

BROCK.BOESER 18

VIKTOR.ARVIDSSON       17

SEAN.COUTURIER            16

JASON.ZUCKER 16

NAZEM.KADRI   16

SEBASTIAN.AHO               16

NICK.SCHMALTZ               16

KEVIN.HAYES     16

EVGENY.DADONOV        16

We can always randomly point to other players who are playing as bad or who are playing better.  HIs numbers look pretty bad compared to the list above 

Just because Oreilly only has 8 evg and galchenyk has 9 I could care less. Oreilly not on our team.  I care that Galchenyk does not have 18 or 20 .

Again my biggest beef is he is one of the worst defensive forwards on the team. And his numbers offensively are not making up for how bad he is..

He made a sweet play the other night on his goal. He read the cross pass and got a stick in the lane which lead to him scoring. That is being aware on the defensive side of the puck. The goal was a bonus.  No one  expects him to be Bob Gainey. But if your not putting up 30 plus goals a year you better become better defensively.