Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 would it be fair to say that other teams' wannabees have dominated the Habs wannabees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 1 hour ago, maas_art said: IT IS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 35 minutes ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: would it be fair to say that other teams' wannabees have dominated the Habs wannabees? Definitely. Our wannabes have, for the most part, been pretty bad. Our Vets look more interested in easing into game shape and that makes for a team that is very unlikely to win (m)any preseason games. We're so used to Therrien getting the boys so pumped up to play (even meaningless games) that we forget the preseason is really about conditioning and 'seeing what we've got.' In the past Therrien would be cheerleading while Julien is clearly trying to work out some scenarios and options that may or may not be seen in the regular season. Having said that, it sure looks to me like we've still got glaring holes that $8.5m in cash cant really fill. I would hope that MB is working the phones to try to find some missing pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs_93 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I'm willing to accept the "it's new systems" excuse for a good portion of the offensive problems so far in the preseason. The defence is not good, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 14 minutes ago, habs_93 said: I'm willing to accept the "it's new systems" excuse for a good portion of the offensive problems so far in the preseason. The defence is not good, however. Oh i definitely dont disagree. Considering what we had just a year or 2 ago, we've taken several steps back - but - i think that CJ will be able to set up a defensive zone-coverage system that will at least make us competitive (especially with Carey behind it all). I am not convinced it will work in the playoffs though when you face the same team/coach every 2 nights and they figure out a way to exploit our d corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyWaterMoose Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 The previous two years, the Habs came out of the gates banging on all cylinders with incredible win streaks. Then reality set in. The wheels fell off and the team was not very good or even Therrible. Many fans on here stated early on that during the winning that they'll take the "wait and see" approach to get excited and only after 20 games will they decide if the team was legit or not. In the same way I'm going to take the "wait and see" approach. I would much rather them flounder out of the gate and work through adversity if it means that they are a stronger team later in the season when it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff33 Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 40 minutes ago, MuddyWaterMoose said: The previous two years, the Habs came out of the gates banging on all cylinders with incredible win streaks. Then reality set in. The wheels fell off and the team was not very good or even Therrible. Many fans on here stated early on that during the winning that they'll take the "wait and see" approach to get excited and only after 20 games will they decide if the team was legit or not. In the same way I'm going to take the "wait and see" approach. I would much rather them flounder out of the gate and work through adversity if it means that they are a stronger team later in the season when it matters. we would have missed the playoffs if we didnt have that win streak last year this year...if we start off on a cold streak , we arent making the playoffs. this is a .500 team. I dont need to wait and see to know that. I think its gonna be win one lose one all year, and depending on how the 3 of 5's shake out will determine if we are a playoff team or not. personally, i see us losing 3 of 5 more often than winning it, so I would not be shocked at all if this team misses the playoffs even without a bad cold streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 2 hours ago, jeff33 said: we would have missed the playoffs if we didnt have that win streak last year this year...if we start off on a cold streak , we arent making the playoffs. this is a .500 team. I dont need to wait and see to know that. I think its gonna be win one lose one all year, and depending on how the 3 of 5's shake out will determine if we are a playoff team or not. personally, i see us losing 3 of 5 more often than winning it, so I would not be shocked at all if this team misses the playoffs even without a bad cold streak. I feel the whole season is gonna be a bad cold streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuddyWaterMoose Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 20 hours ago, jeff33 said: we would have missed the playoffs if we didnt have that win streak last year this year...if we start off on a cold streak , we arent making the playoffs. this is a .500 team. I dont need to wait and see to know that. I think its gonna be win one lose one all year, and depending on how the 3 of 5's shake out will determine if we are a playoff team or not. personally, i see us losing 3 of 5 more often than winning it, so I would not be shocked at all if this team misses the playoffs even without a bad cold streak. So when things are going well and the team is winning, well, we can't really know for sure if that's an anomaly and we better wait and see until enough evidence is in. BUT, when the team is looking bad, in the preseason, we know for sure the team is bad. No amount of coaching, system, healthy roster, or mid season acquisitions could change the fate of this team. Their destined to miss the post season. Well...great then. I guess that saves me from watching this season and all of a sudden I'll have a lot of spare time on my hands. Doom and gloom. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff33 Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, MuddyWaterMoose said: So when things are going well and the team is winning, well, we can't really know for sure if that's an anomaly and we better wait and see until enough evidence is in. BUT, when the team is looking bad, in the preseason, we know for sure the team is bad. No amount of coaching, system, healthy roster, or mid season acquisitions could change the fate of this team. Their destined to miss the post season. Well...great then. I guess that saves me from watching this season and all of a sudden I'll have a lot of spare time on my hands. Doom and gloom. lol I was doom and gloom 2 years ago, when we still had subban and eller, who I consider much better players than shaw and weber. The last 2 years have shown exactly what this core of players is. A mediocre .500 team that can't score. I'm not basing my opinion on 6 pre season games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 1 hour ago, MuddyWaterMoose said: Doom and gloom. lol Sure does seem like there's a lot around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/analysis/2017/9/29/16377930/has-brandon-davidson-played-himself-out-montreal-canadiens-lineup-defence-roster-pre-season Has Brandon Davidson played himself out of the Montreal Canadiens’ lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted September 29, 2017 Report Share Posted September 29, 2017 according to MB the D is fine http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/what-the-puck-canadiens-pre-season-has-been-a-total-disaster What the Puck: Canadiens' pre-season has been a total disaster The defence situation is dire. For a GM who was a defenceman and always kept saying you can’t have too many defencemen, Bergevin seemed to lose control of his D situation during the summer. At one point, he seemed to be losing defencemen on a daily basis, as Mikhail Sergachev, Alexei Emelin, Nathan Beaulieu and Andrei Markov all exited the organization. And the replacements have been — how do I put this politely? — underwhelming. Mark Streit, Joe Morrow, Brandon Davidson, Éric Gélinas and Jordie Benn haven’t exactly been stealing the limelight. Karl Alzner and Jeff Petry will presumably be decent as the second pairing and Jakub Jerabek has been okay. But the consensus is this D squad is the weakest the Habs have had in years and Price will likely be seeing a lot of rubber this year Ready for another news flash? The Canadiens also still have the toughest time scoring goals. Drouin is looking mighty fine and Patches will score a bunch, including a handful of empty-netters, but that’s about it. Alex Galchenyuk looks just about as lost as he did at the end of last season and the key problem — the lack of strength down the middle — remains just as problematic. On L’Antichambre Thursday night, as last year’s and mBergevin showcased his trademark humour, insisting yet again that this D corps is at least as good aybe even better. That’s a joke and most everyone knows that. The reality is, on paper and on the ice in the pre-season, this a weaker team than last season’s. And at the risk of igniting a social-media firestorm, I feel it’s my duty to remind you that last season’s squad won a grand total of two playoff games against a middling New York Rangers team. What’s on Netflix tonight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habs1952 Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 3 hours ago, Regis22 said: What’s on Netflix tonight? Prison Break!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East_Coast_Juggalo_13 Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 15 hours ago, habs1952 said: Prison Break!!! I'm a fan of the show: Nashville, myself. Both on Netflix and on the ice. I still feel he's built this team to purposely tank in hopes of landing his next great Francophone hope, Joe Veleno. The elite number one centre that he'll end up ruining due to poor player development. Look at the tire fire Galchenyuk has become. I would've hired Robinson when the oppourtunity presented itself, as well as Yannick Perreault to help develop prospects down the middle. It's sad when our best hope is Bergevin gets fired by December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldag Posted September 30, 2017 Report Share Posted September 30, 2017 7 hours ago, East_Coast_Juggalo_13 said: I'm a fan of the show: Nashville, myself. Both on Netflix and on the ice. I still feel he's built this team to purposely tank in hopes of landing his next great Francophone hope, Joe Veleno. The elite number one centre that he'll end up ruining due to poor player development. Look at the tire fire Galchenyuk has become. I would've hired Robinson when the oppourtunity presented itself, as well as Yannick Perreault to help develop prospects down the middle. It's sad when our best hope is Bergevin gets fired by December. I postulated back in the late spring that Molson had stumbled across a plan so simple and yet almost fool proof so as to constitute evil genius ...... Molson surmised that if he announced that the team was in full rebuild mode he would be pilloried by the downtrodden denizens of the ding dong Centre and the calls would go out to begin boiling the tar and plucking the chickens. He would also be faced with having to fire his beleaguered General Manager who has generally managed this team into the ground. A rebuild was indeed the right thing to do at the right time to do it (this spring) notwithstanding those few pathetic souls who remain deluded with the notion that this team can contend for a playoff spot. Molson knew the fans would chafe at the sound of the "R" word so he hatched a plan so cunning and stealthy that he engineered his disappearance from the hockey landscape in Montreal without a trace or warning so as to avoid having to give further explanation to the ink stained wretches of the media. He reasoned, you see, that to begin the necessary tear down of his erstwhile squad, all he had to do was tell Bergevin to "carry on" with the usual preparations for the season and the rest of the puzzle would slowly fall into place due to this general manager's inability to marshal a two man parade let alone a National Hockey League franchise. The resulting menagerie of the team's gaffes over the summer have been recorded add nauseum on these pages including losing Bo, Sergychev, Markov, and Emelin followed by trying to orchestrate a transaction to get Emelin BACK albeit he was the one D man whose absence would be missed the least , or so we thought until Mr. Alzner came along. Of course the strategy proved not to be fool proof as Bergevin did the only thing that would allow people to differentiate between him and an inert object and that was to re-up Carey Price at a contract value so diamond encrusted and resplendent that it handcuffs this franchise to this 30 year old injury-prone goalie for the next nine years. When the new contract kicks in next season guess who has the second highest cap hit in the NHL behind Connor McDavid? Yup ... our $10.5MM goalie. Actually .. he will be tied with Toews and Kane and just ahead of Kopitar. Now .. I like Carey and he is a great goalie but you know what .... he should not have demanded that much money from the Canadiens because he knows that as a goalie ... there is no precedent for that size of contract as a percentage of the team's Cap that would show a team being able to win with that much money spent on a goaltender. I realize it was probably like taking candy from a baby to get that contract from Bergevin but the end result is that the rebuild is severely hampered by this boat anchor of a deal on our payroll. The other problem of course was Mr. Weber and his bloated contract value which will also be unmovable once another season of deteriorating play is in the books. Molson took a powder so that Bergevin could take the heat as Molson figured why fire the guy and pay him to NOT generally manage the same way I am paying Mike NOT to coach ..... The problem left is that the heat is only on simmer as the limp Habs bumble through preseason getting sand kicked in their faces however as the losing continues into the regular season the heat will be turned up and should reach full BROIL around the All Star break when Montreal will be out of the playoff race and the howling really starts ...... BON APETIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 The Montreal Canadiens might have their first-line center position figured out after all. Head coach Claude Julien said he was impressed with Jonathan Drouin's play in the Canadiens' final preseason game - a 9-2 win over the Ottawa Senators - and feels he could slot in at center. "I see a player who definitely can play center in this league," Julien told reporters, according to Sportsnet's Eric Engels. Drouin centered the club's top line alongside Max Pacioretty and Brendan Gallagher on Saturday night and tallied three assists in the process. Julien was also complimentary of his play on the opposite side of the puck, and appears to have shut down any thoughts of Alex Galchenyuk moving to the center ice position. The lone criticism for Drouin could be in the faceoff circle. He won just 40 percent of his faceoffs Saturday despite entering the game with a success rate of 46.7 percent in his other two preseason contests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Montreal Canadiens might have their first-line center position figured out after all. Head coach Claude Julien said he was impressed with Jonathan Drouin's play in the Canadiens' final preseason game - a 9-2 win over the Ottawa Senators - and feels he could slot in at center. "I see a player who definitely can play center in this league," Julien told reporters, according to Sportsnet's Eric Engels. Drouin centered the club's top line alongside Max Pacioretty and Brendan Gallagher on Saturday night and tallied three assists in the process. Julien was also complimentary of his play on the opposite side of the puck, and appears to have shut down any thoughts of Alex Galchenyuk moving to the center ice position. The lone criticism for Drouin could be in the faceoff circle. He won just 40 percent of his faceoffs Saturday despite entering the game with a success rate of 46.7 percent in his other two preseason contests.
RyderRocks73 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 I thought Alex's only criticism was in the dot as well. For me it was. Not every high-flying center is a Bergeron, Kopitar, Lehtinen, Gainey. He wasn't notably bad defensively, he distributed the puck well, he took advantage of turnovers, and he can score. Tyler Seguin's still doing it. Eh, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs=stanleycup Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 If the Habs we saw in the last 2 pre-season games are the real deal then watch out. My questions are which ones are the anomalies? The six losses or the two wins? Was Ottawa having an off night last night or were we simply just too overwhelming with our offence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Habs=stanleycup said: If the Habs we saw in the last 2 pre-season games are the real deal then watch out. My questions are which ones are the anomalies? The six losses or the two wins? Was Ottawa having an off night last night or were we simply just too overwhelming with our offence Somewhere in the middle IMO. We're not that good and they're not that bad. Also note they were missing Karlson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyderRocks73 Posted October 1, 2017 Report Share Posted October 1, 2017 Think about the teams that were able to roll us over with 9/10 goals last year. Pittsburgh and Columbus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regis22 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 https://awinninghabit.com/2017/10/02/montreal-canadiens-alex-galchenyuk-rumors/ There may be some heated discussions going on between the Montreal Canadiens and the Colorado Avalanche involving Matt Duchene. Three days until the start of the regular for the Montreal Canadiens and there are already trade rumours going on. Of course it’s nothing new really, it involves the hot commodity of the NHL Matt Duchene. It’s no secret that the 26-year-old wants out of Colorado. There was a big chance that he could’ve been moved at last year’s trade deadline, but he wasn’t. Then there was a chance that he would be moved in the off-season, but he wasn’t. There’s been no shortage of teams that have inquired about the young center, but Joe Sakic‘s price is too high! ..................... At the end of the day, this isn’t Bob McKenzie or Elliotte Friedman leaking this news. It could very well just be talk and nothing else. However it’s still something that Montreal Canadiens fans should keep their eye on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kinot-2 Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 48 minutes ago, Regis22 said: https://awinninghabit.com/2017/10/02/montreal-canadiens-alex-galchenyuk-rumors/ There may be some heated discussions going on between the Montreal Canadiens and the Colorado Avalanche involving Matt Duchene. Three days until the start of the regular for the Montreal Canadiens and there are already trade rumours going on. Of course it’s nothing new really, it involves the hot commodity of the NHL Matt Duchene. It’s no secret that the 26-year-old wants out of Colorado. There was a big chance that he could’ve been moved at last year’s trade deadline, but he wasn’t. Then there was a chance that he would be moved in the off-season, but he wasn’t. There’s been no shortage of teams that have inquired about the young center, but Joe Sakic‘s price is too high! ..................... At the end of the day, this isn’t Bob McKenzie or Elliotte Friedman leaking this news. It could very well just be talk and nothing else. However it’s still something that Montreal Canadiens fans should keep their eye on I've read this on other sites, and IMO, it's a matter of who blinks first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyderRocks73 Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 51 minutes ago, kinot-2 said: I've read this on other sites, and IMO, it's a matter of who blinks first. Pacioretty Duchene Lehkonen Hudon Drouin Gallagher Danault Plekanec Shaw Byron De La Rose Hemsky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwlk Posted October 3, 2017 Report Share Posted October 3, 2017 hope its not us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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