State of the Habs

[BigTed3]

There seems to be more youth and skill in the line-up than in recent years. I don't know that Therrien would have gone with Hudon or DLR over the likes of Martinsen or Holland or so on. I don't know that he would have given Mete first-pairing opportunity.

If I look at the roster, I think a lot of the players here are here based on merit. The two question marks in this regard are

1. Montoya... Lindgren clearly outplayed him at camp. Lindgren has also shown he was pretty stellar over the past 12-18 months since joining the organization. Montoya had a good year last season as a back-up, and I think he kept his job based on that. That being said, I think the interesting decision will come if Carey gets hurt again. I'd be curious to know if the starting job then goes to Montoya or if Lindgren not only gets recalled but takes the starter's role until Carey's healthy. Montoya might be the better professional back-up, but Lindgren is IMO the better fill-in starter.

2. The bottom end of the defence. I don't think there's any question about Weber or Petry being here, and Mete has clearly earned a decent look. Benn is fine in his third-pairing role, and Schlemko by all accounts is a good depth guy too. Alzner is not a top 4 player but he's an NHL-caliber D man. The questions really come down to whether Davidson, Morrow, and Streit deserve to be on the team. I don't think any of those players won jobs so much as they were handed them because of a lack of viable competition as well as the circumstances of their contracts. For my money, Gelinas out-performed all three guys by quite a bit, and Jerabek also played better than them. Except that Gelinas was here on a PTO and Jerabek is waiver-exempt, and that's why we saw those decisions. Streit is in my view the biggest weakness on our team right now. It's hard to hide a bad defender in the line-up, and he might end up costing us goals and games. I'd much rather have gone

Mete-Weber

Schlemko-Petry

Gelinas-Benn

Jerabek and one of Morrow or Davidson

Otherwise, this team was built as well as could be, given the poor construction of the defence that Marc Bergevin left Claude Julien to deal with. I think the forwards will be surprisingly good, and the defence will be disappointingly awful this year unless changes are made. But I guess we'll see...

 

[maas_art]

5 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

There seems to be more youth and skill in the line-up than in recent years. I don't know that Therrien would have gone with Hudon or DLR over the likes of Martinsen or Holland or so on. I don't know that he would have given Mete first-pairing opportunity.

If I look at the roster, I think a lot of the players here are here based on merit. The two question marks in this regard are

1. Montoya... Lindgren clearly outplayed him at camp. Lindgren has also shown he was pretty stellar over the past 12-18 months since joining the organization. Montoya had a good year last season as a back-up, and I think he kept his job based on that. That being said, I think the interesting decision will come if Carey gets hurt again. I'd be curious to know if the starting job then goes to Montoya or if Lindgren not only gets recalled but takes the starter's role until Carey's healthy. Montoya might be the better professional back-up, but Lindgren is IMO the better fill-in starter.

2. The bottom end of the defence. I don't think there's any question about Weber or Petry being here, and Mete has clearly earned a decent look. Benn is fine in his third-pairing role, and Schlemko by all accounts is a good depth guy too. Alzner is not a top 4 player but he's an NHL-caliber D man. The questions really come down to whether Davidson, Morrow, and Streit deserve to be on the team. I don't think any of those players won jobs so much as they were handed them because of a lack of viable competition as well as the circumstances of their contracts. For my money, Gelinas out-performed all three guys by quite a bit, and Jerabek also played better than them. Except that Gelinas was here on a PTO and Jerabek is waiver-exempt, and that's why we saw those decisions. Streit is in my view the biggest weakness on our team right now. It's hard to hide a bad defender in the line-up, and he might end up costing us goals and games. I'd much rather have gone

Mete-Weber

Schlemko-Petry

Gelinas-Benn

Jerabek and one of Morrow or Davidson

Otherwise, this team was built as well as could be, given the poor construction of the defence that Marc Bergevin left Claude Julien to deal with. I think the forwards will be surprisingly good, and the defence will be disappointingly awful this year unless changes are made. But I guess we'll see...

 

Good assessments all around.  My thoughts:

- On montoya/lindgren - honestly i think the decision to go with Monty over Lindgren is more to do with the fact that CL needs playing time & he will get it in the minors, he wont get it behind price.

- I think Alzner will be better than you think (he's said a few times he's having trouble adapting to CJ's  zone-defense system but i think it will come) although like you, i think i would rank Schlemko ahead of Alzner - BUT - i think Alzner/Petry and  Schlemko/Benn gives us 2 balances pairs.   Gelinas wasnt given an NHL contract so I doubt we'll see him with us (would have to go through waivers? can we even give him one now?)

My only hope is that streit is quickly knocked out of the top 6 by Schlemko, Jerabek or Davidson. 

 

[BigTed3]

4 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Good assessments all around.  My thoughts:

- On montoya/lindgren - honestly i think the decision to go with Monty over Lindgren is more to do with the fact that CL needs playing time & he will get it in the minors, he wont get it behind price.

- I think Alzner will be better than you think (he's said a few times he's having trouble adapting to CJ's  zone-defense system but i think it will come) although like you, i think i would rank Schlemko ahead of Alzner - BUT - i think Alzner/Petry and  Schlemko/Benn gives us 2 balances pairs.   Gelinas wasnt given an NHL contract so I doubt we'll see him with us (would have to go through waivers? can we even give him one now?)

My only hope is that streit is quickly knocked out of the top 6 by Schlemko, Jerabek or Davidson. 

 

I'm concerned about Alzner because I think he's going to be given more responsibility than he can handle. He's been a negative Corsi player 3 of the last 4 years and a negative relative Corsi player all of the last 4, including a -6.77 last year (for the non-analytics crowd, this means his possession stats were bad and they were even worse when you compare them to the rest of the team he played on). Alzner has played on some dominant Caps team with lots of offensive firepower, and yet he's still managed to be playing defence more than offence. How's he going to fare on a less-skilled team like the Habs?

We saw last year how great Petry was with Markov and how awful he looked next to Emelin. Is Alzner closer to Markov or Emelin? A lot closer to #74 in my view. I just don't know that that'll work well with him next to Petry, and frankly, Alzner's hero chart suggests he's a third-pairing guy and no more. I think it'll be a mistake to ask Alzner-Petry to play 22 minutes a night. We're weak on the left, but of what we have, our best hopes would be Mete and Schlemko for the top two pairings, and Alzner, Gelinas, or Jerabek for the 3rd pairing.

[Regis22]

Ill give them 20 games to see what we really got

My first impressions are

CP  is going to be CP , if he gets hurt this team will be awful

The D is worse than last year and the forwards are about the same

CJ can only do so much with what he has to work with . I look at Babcock in TO , Babcock looks great now that he has some great players to work with .

CJ doesn't have much to work on the D

 

[BigTed3]

6 hours ago, Regis22 said:

Ill give them 20 games to see what we really got

My first impressions are

CP  is going to be CP , if he gets hurt this team will be awful

The D is worse than last year and the forwards are about the same

CJ can only do so much with what he has to work with . I look at Babcock in TO , Babcock looks great now that he has some great players to work with .

CJ doesn't have much to work on the D

 

D is worse, but forwards are better. Drouin is a superior talent to Radulov IMO, and a player who can play well down the middle will usually have more impact than a winger. I think Lehkonen is better than he was to start last year, and for a coach to actually play Hudon and play him in the top 6-9 is miles ahead of what we got last season. Hemsky isn't blowing anyone away but as a 4th line player, there's more offensive potential with him and DLR there than there was last season with the likes of Ott and King. I think the test will come if we run into key injuries, because we lack any kind of replacement depth in Laval.

D is another story... far worse than last year. Petry and Weber are fine but a year older. Benn looks worse. And what we have on the left, outside of Mete, looks like a downgrade on Markov and Beaulieu.

[Habs=stanleycup]

5 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

D is worse, but forwards are better. Drouin is a superior talent to Radulov IMO, and a player who can play well down the middle will usually have more impact than a winger. I think Lehkonen is better than he was to start last year, and for a coach to actually play Hudon and play him in the top 6-9 is miles ahead of what we got last season. Hemsky isn't blowing anyone away but as a 4th line player, there's more offensive potential with him and DLR there than there was last season with the likes of Ott and King. I think the test will come if we run into key injuries, because we lack any kind of replacement depth in Laval.

D is another story... far worse than last year. Petry and Weber are fine but a year older. Benn looks worse. And what we have on the left, outside of Mete, looks like a downgrade on Markov and Beaulieu.

I view our problems quite differently as you know, I think we suffer horribly up front. The problem is that losing Radulov and replacing him with Drouin was not the answer IMO. We should have kept Radulov AND added Drouin thereby making our offence much stronger. Radulov got us almost a point per game last season.

Of course it remains to be seen how things go as the season develops but I remain skeptical. My opinion is that we have too weak an offence and that is the first priority which needs to be addressed.

[BigTed3]

3 minutes ago, Habs=stanleycup said:

I view our problems quite differently as you know, I think we suffer horribly up front. The problem is that losing Radulov and replacing him with Drouin was not the answer IMO. We should have kept Radulov AND added Drouin thereby making our offence much stronger. Radulov got us almost a point per game last season.

Of course it remains to be seen how things go as the season develops but I remain skeptical. My opinion is that we have too weak an offence and that is the first priority which needs to be addressed.

I like our forward group better than last year. We've lost Radulov, Desharnais, Flynn, Andrighetto, King, Ott, Martinsen, etc. but we've added Drouin, Hudon, DLR, and Hemsky. I don't know if Drouin will prove to be a long-term solution as a viable 1C, but it's something we've been looking for for a long long time and that's not easy to fill. Lehkonen is more experienced. Gallagher will hopefully be able to stay healthy. There's a lot to feel better about this year than last. Sure, it would have been better to keep Radulov and add Drouin, but even though that didn't happen, I still find the forward group better this year than last.

I think the real problem remains the D. A lot of good team re-launch their attack via the defence. How many times in recent years did we see Markov or Subban spring-board the counter-attack with great breakout passes? How many times in the past have we seen a great offensive defenceman like Souray or MAB or Markov be the difference in making a powerplay functional? We have some decent D men in Petry, Weber, and Mete, but half our defence is slow, immobile, and pretty bad at getting on loose pucks and creating offence. I think if you fix the left side of the D, you can create more attack that way.

[maas_art]

46 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

I like our forward group better than last year. We've lost Radulov, Desharnais, Flynn, Andrighetto, King, Ott, Martinsen, etc. but we've added Drouin, Hudon, DLR, and Hemsky. I don't know if Drouin will prove to be a long-term solution as a viable 1C, but it's something we've been looking for for a long long time and that's not easy to fill. Lehkonen is more experienced. Gallagher will hopefully be able to stay healthy. There's a lot to feel better about this year than last. Sure, it would have been better to keep Radulov and add Drouin, but even though that didn't happen, I still find the forward group better this year than last.

I think the real problem remains the D. A lot of good team re-launch their attack via the defence. How many times in recent years did we see Markov or Subban spring-board the counter-attack with great breakout passes? How many times in the past have we seen a great offensive defenceman like Souray or MAB or Markov be the difference in making a powerplay functional? We have some decent D men in Petry, Weber, and Mete, but half our defence is slow, immobile, and pretty bad at getting on loose pucks and creating offence. I think if you fix the left side of the D, you can create more attack that way.

I agree.  

I think up front we're not only better but with Julien we will actually see talent used fairly and properly. The one exception being Galchenyuk - I am not sure why CJ wont use him differently although you wonder if there's an underlying problem that we are not privy to (or if CJ has all been told he'll be traded so 'dont get too used to him.')  Otherwise though, I love what CJ is doing so far up font.

On the backend things are worrisome.  As Ive said in other threads, Im willing to rack some of it up to unfamiliarity with the zone-based system julien is employing but even still some (Benn and Alzner especially) look lost.  

One thing that Julien has shown is that he doesnt really care about contracts.  If schlemko comes in & forms a great pair with Petry I think its entirely possible that CJ moves Alzner to the 3rd pairing.  We shall see.  Right now I only have faith in one of our pairings and 1/2 of that grouping is younger than some shirts I own. 

[Regis22]

56 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

I like our forward group better than last year. We've lost Radulov, Desharnais, Flynn, Andrighetto, King, Ott, Martinsen, etc. but we've added Drouin, Hudon, DLR, and Hemsky. 

Radulov for Drouin  .

IMO The guys lost were  non factors . They didn't play much or when they did they didn't contribute much . So to me they are a wash

And the guys added besides Drouin are non factors .......unless Hudon can surprise everyone . Playing Hemsky on the 3rd or 4the line is probably a waste  and JDL should be TP's replacement next year unless MB signs TP to a 4 yr extension.

The D I thought was slow last year and I think its worse this year

Like I mentioned 20 games and we'll see what we got

 

 

 

 

[Habs=stanleycup]

2 hours ago, maas_art said:

I agree.  

I think up front we're not only better but with Julien we will actually see talent used fairly and properly. The one exception being Galchenyuk - I am not sure why CJ wont use him differently although you wonder if there's an underlying problem that we are not privy to (or if CJ has all been told he'll be traded so 'dont get too used to him.')  Otherwise though, I love what CJ is doing so far up font.

On the backend things are worrisome.  As Ive said in other threads, Im willing to rack some of it up to unfamiliarity with the zone-based system julien is employing but even still some (Benn and Alzner especially) look lost.  

One thing that Julien has shown is that he doesnt really care about contracts.  If schlemko comes in & forms a great pair with Petry I think its entirely possible that CJ moves Alzner to the 3rd pairing.  We shall see.  Right now I only have faith in one of our pairings and 1/2 of that grouping is younger than some shirts I own. 

Agreed that CJ is a superior coach here but he can only work with what he has. As others have mentioned here, Babcock looks like a hero due the team his GM has provided for him. it`s like comparing filet mignon to a can of kam IMO.

[BigTed3]

3 hours ago, maas_art said:

I agree.  

I think up front we're not only better but with Julien we will actually see talent used fairly and properly. The one exception being Galchenyuk - I am not sure why CJ wont use him differently although you wonder if there's an underlying problem that we are not privy to (or if CJ has all been told he'll be traded so 'dont get too used to him.')  Otherwise though, I love what CJ is doing so far up font.

On the backend things are worrisome.  As Ive said in other threads, Im willing to rack some of it up to unfamiliarity with the zone-based system julien is employing but even still some (Benn and Alzner especially) look lost.  

One thing that Julien has shown is that he doesnt really care about contracts.  If schlemko comes in & forms a great pair with Petry I think its entirely possible that CJ moves Alzner to the 3rd pairing.  We shall see.  Right now I only have faith in one of our pairings and 1/2 of that grouping is younger than some shirts I own. 

The Galchenyuk ordeal is bizarre, unless you put it into context of the Subban ordeal... under Bergevin, it's clear the organization just doesn't like players with personality who don't toe the company line. There's no consideration for their talent level, it's all about attitude, and I think the Habs just don't like Galchenyuk, just as they didn't like Subban and DSP and Beaulieu and Thomas and Kristo and Tinordi and Kassian and so on... most of those moves were made for off-ice/personality issues, not for what they contributed to the team's on-ice product. In any case, I think it still helps us to use Galchenyuk appropriately. He's a player, like Pacioretty and Kovalev, where you put up with slumps and nights off because what they bring when they're on is so hard to replace.

[BigTed3]

3 hours ago, Regis22 said:

Radulov for Drouin  .

IMO The guys lost were  non factors . They didn't play much or when they did they didn't contribute much . So to me they are a wash

And the guys added besides Drouin are non factors .......unless Hudon can surprise everyone . Playing Hemsky on the 3rd or 4the line is probably a waste  and JDL should be TP's replacement next year unless MB signs TP to a 4 yr extension.

The D I thought was slow last year and I think its worse this year

Like I mentioned 20 games and we'll see what we got

 

Drouin > Radulov

Hemsky > King

Hudon > Desharnais

DLR > Ott

Sure, the changes outside of Drouin are minor, but we have guys in place now who are skill players. There's no more goons like Parros, Laraque, Mike Brown, or Ott. There's no more players who can't score a goal for the life of them like Flynn and King or who can't keep up with the pace of play. From top to bottom, we now have 12 guys who can skate well and who are capable of scoring to some degree. Lots of teams would kill to have Byron and Hemsky on their 4th lines, and it's refreshing to see that we're finally rewarding skill and offence up front instead of feeling like we have to play a 4th line based on just how heavy they are or how many penalties they take. This is the new NHL. So each individual change may be small, but the philosophy is different, the emphasis is on speed and skill and goals, and overall, it's simply a better group than we had a year ago. As I said, the D is the opposite, it's worse, and I personally believe you build your team's strength through the back end, so it's a problem. And so I'm not sure the team overall is better because of how bad the D is built. But if I'm looking at the forwards in isolation, they're better, and I'm not sure how someone can argue that Ott/King/Martinsen/Desharnais/Flynn was even comparable. Addition by subtraction, perhaps. Coaching is better, goaltending is not an issue, but the D will be the major thing that weighs us down.

 

 

[habs1952]

If we're gonna be dealing with the Galchenyuk issue all season we should just get it over with and trade him for a player(s) who can help us. He's gonna need to go before any value he has is nonexistent. 

[Habs=stanleycup]

Just now, habs1952 said:

If we're gonna be dealing with the Galchenyuk issue all season we should just get it over with and trade him for a player(s) who can help us. He's gonna need to go before any value he has is nonexistent. 

Yup, why not trade him for someone worth it right NOW, because he`s going nowhere fast with our team. Repeat of last year.

[eldag]

5 hours ago, Habs=stanleycup said:

I view our problems quite differently as you know, I think we suffer horribly up front. The problem is that losing Radulov and replacing him with Drouin was not the answer IMO. We should have kept Radulov AND added Drouin thereby making our offence much stronger. Radulov got us almost a point per game last season.

Of course it remains to be seen how things go as the season develops but I remain skeptical. My opinion is that we have too weak an offence and that is the first priority which needs to be addressed.

Good post .... until Drouin proves worthwhile over an entire season it is hard to call him a superior addition to Radulov after one game. Rads brought it every night when he was in the line-up and although he is probably gifted with superior talent ... that is not Drouin's reputation. We'll see ...

I don't believe it was in the best interests of the team to give Rads the money and term he wanted so I don't quibble with his loss ... we should have been in rebuilding mode anyway. Losing Sergychev for Drouin was not a great move IMHO but it's done now ... another Bergevin legacy moment. The current defence is another Bergevin classic among many and this team is going nowhere soon as long as the fans are willing to shell out more and more $$$ to watch what will be dished out this year .....

We should keep a close eye on the top draft prospects as they progress this year because we should get a top 4 or 5 pick with any luck. Here's hoping Bergevin won't be making the pick .....

 

[ramcharger440]

1 hour ago, eldag said:

Good post .... until Drouin proves worthwhile over an entire season it is hard to call him a superior addition to Radulov after one game. Rads brought it every night when he was in the line-up and although he is probably gifted with superior talent ... that is not Drouin's reputation. We'll see ...

I don't believe it was in the best interests of the team to give Rads the money and term he wanted so I don't quibble with his loss ... we should have been in rebuilding mode anyway. Losing Sergychev for Drouin was not a great move IMHO but it's done now ... another Bergevin legacy moment. The current defence is another Bergevin classic among many and this team is going nowhere soon as long as the fans are willing to shell out more and more $$$ to watch what will be dished out this year .....

We should keep a close eye on the top draft prospects as they progress this year because we should get a top 4 or 5 pick with any luck. Here's hoping Bergevin won't be making the pick .....

 

Hmmm, Rads did not bring it every night he brought it many nights but there were a few lean stretches too.he is also much older and has i think less value to the team as i find Drouin is more flexible as he can play many roles for us. to get him for a prospect was a good deal in my mind we won that trade hands down. now would i have liked to keep Rads and Sergy sure but lets face it Rads wanted the cash and guys like Drouin cost big.

[eldag]

2 hours ago, ramcharger440 said:

Hmmm, Rads did not bring it every night he brought it many nights but there were a few lean stretches too.he is also much older and has i think less value to the team as i find Drouin is more flexible as he can play many roles for us. to get him for a prospect was a good deal in my mind we won that trade hands down. now would i have liked to keep Rads and Sergy sure but lets face it Rads wanted the cash and guys like Drouin cost big.

You are certainly entitled to disagree ... as I said the team was probably right to pass on Rad's term and $$$ demands but there is a difference between bringing it every night and scoring every night. If you are arguing that he was not a heart and soul guy when on the ice I think you are wrong ... I don't believe he took many nights off when on the ice. You also have lofty expectations for Drouin's "many roles" for this team after one game. I hope you are right ... many I think would be happy if he played one role well. As for acquiring Drouin for a prospect ... it wasn't just a prospect ... it was our #1 prospect who happens to be a defenseman and labelled by many as a can't miss prospect .... traded from a team that has precious few 1) Prospects and 2) Defensemen

This team had many other options to trade for Drouin if you want to talk about aging assets who were soon or already very expensive. With or without Drouin this roster is a loser IMHO and as the season plays out ... we will see if my expectation is accurate.  

 

 

[ChiLla]

2 hours ago, eldag said:

This team had many other options to trade for Drouin if you want to talk about aging assets who were soon or already very expensive. With or without Drouin this roster is a loser IMHO and as the season plays out ... we will see if my expectation is accurate. 

Not sure about that, who do you have in mind exactly?

IMO Tampa wasn't going to trade a 22-year old 3rd overall pick for aging assets, just like we shouldn't trade a 23-year old 3rd overall pick for aging assets. The trade itself was a good hockey trade for both sides IMO. We aren't in rebuilding mode yet, so Drouin has probably more value to us than Sergachev right now. If Drouin can truly play 1C, which remains to be seen, I'm actually ecstatic about the trade. Sure, losing Sergachev hurts, but when was the last time we had a legit 1C in Montreal? I'm really glad MB pulled the trigger on the deal, even more so after losing Radulov.

[habs1952]

7 hours ago, ChiLla said:

Not sure about that, who do you have in mind exactly?

IMO Tampa wasn't going to trade a 22-year old 3rd overall pick for aging assets, just like we shouldn't trade a 23-year old 3rd overall pick for aging assets. The trade itself was a good hockey trade for both sides IMO. We aren't in rebuilding mode yet, so Drouin has probably more value to us than Sergachev right now. If Drouin can truly play 1C, which remains to be seen, I'm actually ecstatic about the trade. Sure, losing Sergachev hurts, but when was the last time we had a legit 1C in Montreal? I'm really glad MB pulled the trigger on the deal, even more so after losing Radulov.

*8 or 9 "new" faces in the lineup sounds like rebuilding to me. 

[Habberwacky]

3 minutes ago, habs1952 said:

*8 or 9 "new" faces in the lineup sounds like rebuilding to me. 

Totally agree. Bergy spent the first few seasons finding veterans to plug holes and make us competitive. I think some of this involved the need to wait for some of our youth to develop. The argument that we do not develop players is not as clear with me because development means you wait until they are ready to accept the responsibility and play the game the way your team needs you to and some were clearly in over their heads and some still are. I like the fact we have this injection at this time and  think the defence will be revamped over the next two years as well. We will definitely avoid the long horrific losing records of some clubs who have done this wrong in the past. I would like to give Bergevin credit for this but think this is the result of quite a number of individuals within the organisation. There appears to be a vision for the player they want on the team and rightly or wrongly players  that can adapt to the system and buy in will be successful. It appears most of the youth have bought into that philosophy and are playing to stay in the NHL. The idea that we have to adjust to meet the needs of players we are paying large sums of money to so they will be happier and more productive does not sound like a good philosophy for building a team.

[Regis22]

Someone forgot to tell MB when he assembled his D

https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2017/10/06/nhl-letting-loose-its-goal-scorers-feschuk.html

Leafs defenceman Connor Carrick said the NHL’s push toward a more offensive game isn’t simply a function of the officials’ whistle. There’s an aggregation of small things piling up, including rosters stocked with younger (and more defensively raw) players, plus an ongoing trend that favours offensive-minded defencemen over the stay-at-home type.

“(Defencemen are) more mobile, they’re faster, there’s more talk about being able to create in transition,” Carrick said. “It’s good for the game

[habs1952]

1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

Someone forgot to tell MB when he assembled his D

https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2017/10/06/nhl-letting-loose-its-goal-scorers-feschuk.html

Leafs defenceman Connor Carrick said the NHL’s push toward a more offensive game isn’t simply a function of the officials’ whistle. There’s an aggregation of small things piling up, including rosters stocked with younger (and more defensively raw) players, plus an ongoing trend that favours offensive-minded defencemen over the stay-at-home type.

“(Defencemen are) more mobile, they’re faster, there’s more talk about being able to create in transition,” Carrick said. “It’s good for the game

oh, I'm sure someone told him but MB was just 

[Regis22]

LOL

TonyMarinaro       

Fix the D now before it’s too late. The D is not quick enough, not mobile enough and not good enough. Period

 

I think it is too late . Teams aren't giving away top D Men . When you have one , or 2 , you keep em .

 

[BigTed3]

Competent coach? Check.

Forwards with speed and skill? Check.

All-star goalie? Check.

NHL-caliber defence? ...

Defence?...

Defence?...

[jwlk]

1 hour ago, habs1952 said:

oh, I'm sure someone told him but MB was just 

i love this