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3 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

I think it's somewhat funny that 80% of the fanbase was able to predict three years ago that Therrien's system would crumble, Bergevin would screw up the Subban negotiations and end up alienating or trading him, and the Habs would struggle to win as soon as they weren't getting all-star goaltending. It was all entirely predictable. That Molson, Bergevin, and company couldn't see what all of us could is disturbing but also funny because of how obvious it was.

Unfortunately as stubborn as MB was in finally getting rid of MT, Molson is JUST as stubborn by holding onto his GM, MB as long as he has.

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Just now, BigTed3 said:

I think it's somewhat funny that 80% of the fanbase was able to predict three years ago that Therrien's system would crumble, Bergevin would screw up the Subban negotiations and end up alienating or trading him, and the Habs would struggle to win as soon as they weren't getting all-star goaltending. It was all entirely predictable. That Molson, Bergevin, and company couldn't see what all of us could is disturbing but also funny because of how obvious it was.

Yep. And I take no joy in it, and if I've pulled the "I told you so" routine, it's unbecoming and I regret it. But it's true. This isn't news. We pounded these points over and over. None of this knowledge was special or privileged. All you had to do was want to assess reality empirically.

And the organization still won't do it.

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How exactly did Chris Lee calculate a PP for Nashville? No penalties initially. Then Rinne punches Gallagher, Alzner goes after RInne, Pred grabs Alzner, Hab grabs Pred, etc... by my count Rinne was the first to deserve a penalty and then it's even up after that. So either it should be evens or we should be up a man.

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How exactly did Chris Lee calculate a PP for Nashville? No penalties initially. Then Rinne punches Gallagher, Alzner goes after RInne, Pred grabs Alzner, Hab grabs Pred, etc... by my count Rinne was the first to deserve a penalty and then it's even up after that. So either it should be evens or we should be up a man.

LOL.....like you really have to ask.   It's Chris Lee, for cryin' out loud. 

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3 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

How exactly did Chris Lee calculate a PP for Nashville? No penalties initially. Then Rinne punches Gallagher, Alzner goes after RInne, Pred grabs Alzner, Hab grabs Pred, etc... by my count Rinne was the first to deserve a penalty and then it's even up after that. So either it should be evens or we should be up a man.

Nope we should be punished as per usual.

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Just now, habs_93 said:

Yep. And I take no joy in it, and if I've pulled the "I told you so" routine, it's unbecoming and I regret it. But it's true. This isn't news. We pounded these points over and over. None of this knowledge was special or privileged. All you had to do was want to assess reality empirically.

And the organization still won't do it.

Yup. And it goes on... so many things that were obvious at the time they happened:

- Subban for Weber being a bad trade that shortened the Habs window AND made them worse right away

- Swapping out Eller for Shaw not working out well

- Shaw and Alzner being overpayments and bad contracts/moves

- Streit for Markov being a disaster

- Hudon deserving of a call up last year

- Beaulieu and Sergachev deals hurting us because of a lack of replacement, leaving our D slow and too unskilled

And many more... I'll give Bergevin the Paul Byron waiver pick-up, in that it was a move I really didn't think would work out as well as it did. I did think the Weise-Danault trade was a good move, but I'll also give Bergevin credit in that I didn't think Danault would be ready to be a 3C last year (unfortunately the Habs then went and promoted him to being a 1C, which was completely inappropriate). But otherwise, I feel like most of Bergevin's mistakes were clear mistakes when they happened and predictable.

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2 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Yup. And it goes on... so many things that were obvious at the time they happened:

- Subban for Weber being a bad trade that shortened the Habs window AND made them worse right away

- Swapping out Eller for Shaw not working out well

- Shaw and Alzner being overpayments and bad contracts/moves

- Streit for Markov being a disaster

- Hudon deserving of a call up last year

- Beaulieu and Sergachev deals hurting us because of a lack of replacement, leaving our D slow and too unskilled

And many more... I'll give Bergevin the Paul Byron waiver pick-up, in that it was a move I really didn't think would work out as well as it did. I did think the Weise-Danault trade was a good move, but I'll also give Bergevin credit in that I didn't think Danault would be ready to be a 3C last year (unfortunately the Habs then went and promoted him to being a 1C, which was completely inappropriate). But otherwise, I feel like most of Bergevin's mistakes were clear mistakes when they happened and predictable.

We should have been able to predict it all when we got the only guy in NHL history to throw the puck into his own net as our GM.  

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3 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Yup. And it goes on... so many things that were obvious at the time they happened:

- Subban for Weber being a bad trade that shortened the Habs window AND made them worse right away

- Swapping out Eller for Shaw not working out well

- Shaw and Alzner being overpayments and bad contracts/moves

- Streit for Markov being a disaster

- Hudon deserving of a call up last year

- Beaulieu and Sergachev deals hurting us because of a lack of replacement, leaving our D slow and too unskilled

And many more... I'll give Bergevin the Paul Byron waiver pick-up, in that it was a move I really didn't think would work out as well as it did. I did think the Weise-Danault trade was a good move, but I'll also give Bergevin credit in that I didn't think Danault would be ready to be a 3C last year (unfortunately the Habs then went and promoted him to being a 1C, which was completely inappropriate). But otherwise, I feel like most of Bergevin's mistakes were clear mistakes when they happened and predictable.

Only thing MB should be doing now is driving a Molson beer truck up in Nunavut.

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