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14 minutes ago, tony5775 said:

Regardless of rebuild or retool. It is time to move away from Price. This whole team has been decided around him for many years. If they do not act now his value will drop considerably as he get more fed up with the losses. His appearance at the all star game is very undeserved but shows the league still believes in him.  I personally would not move Max or Weber. Would get rid of Plekanec and Byron at the deadline, they will have some value. Jerabec should be signed to an extension already. The rest of the defense could be moved  at any return.   

1: We must remove our current GM, BEFORE we do anything else with our roster IMO.

2: As Chris Nilan has often stated; for a true rebuild to happen, EVERYONE must be on the trading block, no exceptions.

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3 hours ago, tony5775 said:

 Jerabec should be signed to an extension already. The rest of the defense could be moved  at any return.   

I admit this year's D is awful but you get rid of the majority of the current guys , who replaces them ? ANother set of UFA  AHL'ers ?

This team is in a bind because the young prospects , players they had on D they got rid of and Im not aware of anyone on the farm that can help them

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58 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

I admit this year's D is awful but you get rid of the majority of the current guys , who replaces them ? ANother set of UFA  AHL'ers ?

This team is in a bind because the young prospects , players they had on D they got rid of and Im not aware of anyone on the farm that can help them

I think Juulsen will get a shot next year. If we make zero trades (which would be a huge error), then we go into next year with Weber, Petry, and Juulsen down the right side and Mete and Jerabek as your 2nd and 3rd pairing lefties. But there remains a huge hole on the left side of the first pairing. Before we do anything else, we need a little addition by subtraction by getting rid of Alzner, Schlemko, and Morrow and converting Benn into a 6/7 guy alternating with Jerabek or Juulsen.

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12 hours ago, Regis22 said:

Well I guess that takes Montreal out of the discussion since MB doesn't have a cue what he's doing

Tavares: I want to play for a team that's doing everything it can to win

 

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/tavares-i-want-to-play-for-a-team-that-s-doing-everything-it-can-to-win~1313626

Also, with the team reportedly shopping a player like Pacioretty (which I am in favor of), why would Tavares choose here? We're not going to compete in the next few years. I'm sure Tavares wants to be somewhere that is better managed and ready to make a run in the next 1-2 years. I don't think he would believe that's us. Can't even really say we have the best goaltender to entice players either.

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On 1/25/2018 at 3:07 PM, maas_art said:

Normally I would think a retool is not a valid option but in our case we have a solid young core and a group of very enticing vets so we're actually a lot closer than you might think.  I do NOT believe Marc Bergevin is the guy to lead the retool though.  If we fire him and hire someone more forward thinking (Julien Brisebois perhaps?) you make a few key moves & see where it takes you.

 

You try your best to hold on to:

- Drouin, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Mete, Lehkonen, Danault, Sherbak, Hudon, Juulsen

You try your best to trade:

- Weber, Pacioretty, Plekanec, Alzner, Schlenko, Price (maybe)

and you listen to offers on

Shaw,  Byron, Petry, Benn, etc.

 

You make those key moves and see if you cant land a guy like Tavares or Carlson. 

This team  is turned around in a hurry. No need for a lengthy rebuild. 

Old post, but still interesting. I agree with your strategy but not your conclusion.

The list of young players does look pretty good, but I wonder how much of that is observation bias - most teams have their list of "promising young players". While we should see some improvement from them, it's just hard to imagine you get rid of guys like Weber, Pacioretty, etc. and make the team better as a reslt. It would be a whole different story if we had a strong farm system, or if this was the NFL where you primarily drafted players ready to make an immediate impact.  I'd also argue that being willing to trade any player over 25 amounts to a rebuild more than a retool.

So I don't blow the whole team up, but if we trade Pacioretty and Weber (not to mention Price) I suspect we're in for a few bottom feeding years either way. Even with the veterans, I have trouble seeing many playoff experiences in our near future.

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losing Radulov and Markov (to me) has made ALL the difference this year, over-paying Price was a second mistake.

it took us a while to get someone like Rads, because everyone knows we have tried many others, and then, there he was, .. gone.

retool then could have stared trading Max (and then some) for a decent center.

now it means not only a few good center men, (an issue that MB has left completely open), and a first line D, in a defense that he totally ripped apart.

Our GAA (even Price) is laughable, yet we pay a royal Price for it. (though he is good, without defense, logically, his numbers show).

I`m not sure Montreal is capable. and I`m afraid that it all starts at the top. it`s nice to see the young guns play, but even the now settled young guns, Drouin, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, are still (productively) no higher than any other second liner in the league.

and I ask you, do we really have first-line defense men?, or did we get Weber in time to witness his decline to a good second liner?

truth is, .. we stink, .. and I wonder what in heaven they are going to do about it.

retool or rebuild, both will take time, and I`m not sure this management can handle either. even as champs in the east, we looked ridiculous playing the west,

we need smarter management, people that really know the game, and the players that play there. so I prefer retool, because we do have some skill, but again, with this management, I`m not sure we`ll get either done in the years MB has left.

 

let`s trade max & management, for management in Vegas, Nashville, Boston, etc. ;)

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On 3/22/2018 at 4:55 AM, RuudNuij said:

 

and I ask you, do we really have first-line defense men?, or did we get Weber in time to witness his decline to a good second liner?

Weber was in decline before we got him.    His numbers the year before were bolstered by playing with Josi.     I'm trying to find an article I read about it around the time of the trade ... Preds were essentially laughing at us taking Weber off their hands.

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