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Rank these players in order of how you would vote for them for the following awards based on their half-way performance:

 

Hart:

- Nikita Kucherov

- Alex Ovechkin

- Nathan MacKinnon

- John Tavares

 

Vezina:

- Pekka Rinne

- Connor Hellebucyk

- Tuukka Rask

- Andrei Vasilevskiy

 

Norris:

- Victor Hedman

- P.K. Subban

- Drew Doughty

- John Klingberg

 

Calder:

- Mathew Barzal

- Charlie McAvoy

- Brock Boeser

- Yanni Gourde

 

 

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14 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Rank these players in order of how you would vote for them for the following awards based on their half-way performance:

 

Hart:

- Nikita Kucherov

- Alex Ovechkin

- Nathan MacKinnon

- John Tavares

 

Vezina:

- Pekka Rinne

- Connor Hellebucyk

- Tuukka Rask

- Andrei Vasilevskiy

 

Norris:

- Victor Hedman

- P.K. Subban

- Drew Doughty

- John Klingberg

 

Calder:

- Mathew Barzal

- Charlie McAvoy

- Brock Boeser

- Yanni Gourde

 

 

Hart: MacKinnon, Tavares, Ovechkin,Kucherov

Vezina: Vasilevskiy, Hellebucyk,Rask,Rinne

Norris: Hedman, Doughty, Klingberg, Subban

Calder: Barzal, McAvoy, Gourde,Boeser

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Hart:,,,,JT,,,,Kucherov,,,,,,,,,,,,, OV,,,,,,,,,,,,,,MacKinnon 

Vezina: Vasilevskiy,,,,,,,Hellebuyck,,,,Rinne,,,,Rask

Norris:   Klingberg,,,,,,,,,,,,,Doughty,,,, Subban, ,,,,,,,,,,,,Hedman

Calder:,,,,,,, Boeser,,,,,,,,,,McAvoy,,,,,,,, Barzal, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Gourde

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On 1/27/2018 at 8:21 PM, BigTed3 said:

Rank these players in order of how you would vote for them for the following awards based on their half-way performance:

 

Hart:

- Nikita Kucherov  (2)

- Alex Ovechkin (3)

- Nathan MacKinnon (4)

- John Tavares (5)

-Bergeron (1) 

Vezina:

- Pekka Rinne (2)

- Connor Hellybuck (1) 

- Tuukka Rask (2)

- Andrei Vasilevskiy (4)

 

Norris:

- Victor Hedman (3)

- P.K. Subban (2)

- Drew Doughty (4)

- John Klingberg (1)

 

Calder:

- Mathew Barzal (1)

- Charlie McAvoy (3)

- Brock Boeser (2)

- Yanni Gourde (4) 

 

 

My response in parentheses, I added Bergeron to the Hart list because he'd get my #1 vote so far. 

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Here are your results, again based on a 5-3-2-1 point system, with 1st place votes in parentheses.

Hart:

This was a pretty tight race, with MacKinnon narrowly edging out Kucherov. It's a toss-up as to which of these 4 guys has had the best season, but as far as being most valuable to their team, hard to argue with MacKinnon elavating a mediocre Colorado roster.

- Nathan MacKinnon 21 pts (3)

- Nikita Kucherov 19 pts (2)

- John Tavares 16 pts (1)

- Alex Ovechkin 10 pts (0)

 

Vezina:

Another tight two-horse race, with those two goalies clearly the favorites to pull away. I think there's some hesitation since the top candidates are not the perennial favorites, but these are the guys having the best years.

- Andrei Vasilevskiy 24 pts (4)

- Connor Hellebucyk 20 pts (2)

- Pekka Rinne 12 pts(0)

- Tuukka Rask 10 pts (0)

 

Norris:

Another tight race. It's interesting that the two guys hockey GM's tend to rave about (Hedman and Doughty) finished well back, whereas the two guys GM's love less because they see them as risk takers are the guys we liked. I didn't throw Karlsson in here because he simply hasn't been as good this season nor has his team had much success, but he could join the race by season's end.

- John Klingberg 22 pts (3)

- P.K. Subban 19 pts (2)

- Victor Hedman 13 pts (1)

- Drew Doughty 12 pts(0)

 

Calder:

This seems to be the easiest race to call. Just about everyone had Gourde near the bottom and Barzal at the top. And while Boeser and McAvoy are having great seasons, Barzal has been dominant and exciting to watch as well. If voters get this right, this shouldn't be close.

- Mathew Barzal 27 pts (5)

- Brock Boeser 17 pts (1)

- Charlie McAvoy 15 pts (0)

- Yanni Gourde 7 pts (0)

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Subban with another goal tonight now leads all NHL D men not only in Goals but also the combined stat of Goals + 1st Assists. He's easily got to be the leading candidate for the Norris, if not for prejudice against his personality and style. If voters looked at just what the guy is doing on the ice, they'd stop talking about Hedman being the front-runner.

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49 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Subban with another goal tonight now leads all NHL D men not only in Goals but also the combined stat of Goals + 1st Assists. He's easily got to be the leading candidate for the Norris, if not for prejudice against his personality and style. If voters looked at just what the guy is doing on the ice, they'd stop talking about Hedman being the front-runner.

finished with 2. could anybody in their right mind possibly say anything other than we got absolutely taken to the cleaners in that deal? and thats NOW....notnext year or the year after like many were saying.

what, weber is gonna go out next year and be a norris candidate?

we gave away one of the best players in the league for pretty much nothing. its enough to make you cry

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Weber was put in a bad spot . He came here the 1st year and had no one to play with and the 2 nd yr  MB decided to rip up the D and it was even worse

Montreal has a habit of making that one trade that sets them back and takes years to recuperate

 

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13 hours ago, jeff33 said:

we gave away one of the best players in the league for pretty much nothing. its enough to make you cry

But... but... positioning! And no more turnovers at the blue line. And Shea's like really big.

We're losing hockey games at an alarming rate since that hot start last season, it's awesome that we're much tougher to play against though :rolleyes:

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13 hours ago, jeff33 said:

we gave away one of the best players in the league for pretty much nothing. its enough to make you cry

Well and thats the thing.  When Boston traded Joe Thornton they got back a package of players, none of whom were as good as JT but they "spread out the wealth" and actually made the bruins a better team.  Had we gotten some top prospects or even a couple of roster forwards then you could at least argue "ok, MB is going all in" and understand the trade, if not like it.  Instead we hated id then, hate it more now and still have zero understanding at all why MB felt the need to make it.  It was ludicrous in every way. 

13 hours ago, Regis22 said:

Weber was put in a bad spot . He came here the 1st year and had no one to play with and the 2 nd yr  MB decided to rip up the D and it was even worse

Montreal has a habit of making that one trade that sets them back and takes years to recuperate

Totally.  I feel bad for Weber. He seems like a nice guy and clearly gives his all but what a terrible position to be put in. If we had a legtimate #1 PMD  weber would probably look pretty good still.  

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18 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Well and thats the thing.  When Boston traded Joe Thornton they got back a package of players, none of whom were as good as JT but they "spread out the wealth" and actually made the bruins a better team.  Had we gotten some top prospects or even a couple of roster forwards then you could at least argue "ok, MB is going all in" and understand the trade, if not like it.  Instead we hated id then, hate it more now and still have zero understanding at all why MB felt the need to make it.  It was ludicrous in every way. 

Totally.  I feel bad for Weber. He seems like a nice guy and clearly gives his all but what a terrible position to be put in. If we had a legtimate #1 PMD  weber would probably look pretty good still.  

I always thought MB's reasoning was clear. MT hated PK with a passion and managed to poison MB's mind along the way, They rode that kid every chance they had, both privately and publicly. Every mistake was pointed out while others got the free ride.  The new contract negotiation was likely the last straw.  It boiled down to a choice between MT or PK, and heaven forbid, we couldn't have somebody on the team undermining one of the fox hole group. The answer was easy,,,, dump him ASAP.

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

I always thought MB's reasoning was clear. MT hated PK with a passion and managed to poison MB's mind along the way, They rode that kid every chance they had, both privately and publicly. Every mistake was pointed out while others got the free ride.  The new contract negotiation was likely the last straw.  It boiled down to a choice between MT or PK, and heaven forbid, we couldn't have somebody on the team undermining one of the fox hole group. The answer was easy,,,, dump him ASAP.

Right, but even if that was true, wouldnt a smart GM still have looked for the best deal?   Pronger is a guy who was notoriously in serious moral hot water a couple of times in his career & he was moved but never for nothing. The returns (while they didnt always work out) were at least fair market value at the time.  This was a dumb move, period.  

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44 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Right, but even if that was true, wouldnt a smart GM still have looked for the best deal?   Pronger is a guy who was notoriously in serious moral hot water a couple of times in his career & he was moved but never for nothing. The returns (while they didnt always work out) were at least fair market value at the time.  This was a dumb move, period.  

A large part of the problem was that they did their utmost to downplay his value in the press every chance they got. Hard to bargain from a position of strength when you tell the whole world the guy is garbage and a cancer on the team.  That in itself shoots down your theory of a smart GM. 

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

A large part of the problem was that they did their utmost to downplay his value in the press every chance they got. Hard to bargain from a position of strength when you tell the whole world the guy is garbage and a cancer on the team.  That in itself shoots down your theory of a smart GM. 

Good point.  I'll never forget the olympics (or just before) when MT and MB were going on and on about price but considered PK an afterthought.  No wonder Babcock & co barely used him. 

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The other sad part about Weber is that he's viewed as a great PP player (one of the few arguments you can make about him over Subban) and yet for whatever reason, the PP has been gold since Weber got injured, much better than without him. I think that might have a lot to do with getting Galchenyuk and Pacioretty in the right spots, but Petry has been very good in Weber's absence and IMO, there's more of a need for a puck-moving, smooth-skating D man than there is for Weber right now.

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24 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

The other sad part about Weber is that he's viewed as a great PP player (one of the few arguments you can make about him over Subban) and yet for whatever reason, the PP has been gold since Weber got injured, much better than without him. I think that might have a lot to do with getting Galchenyuk and Pacioretty in the right spots, but Petry has been very good in Weber's absence and IMO, there's more of a need for a puck-moving, smooth-skating D man than there is for Weber right now.

Totally.  This is a product of the team not understanding that 1 tool - even possibly the best canon in the league - vs. many tools is never the right option.  When we had weber in the lineup we just kept trying to feed him. Without him there we actually are passing, moving the puck & being more creative.  Teams cant defend 5 guys as well as 1. 

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4 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Totally.  This is a product of the team not understanding that 1 tool - even possibly the best canon in the league - vs. many tools is never the right option.  When we had weber in the lineup we just kept trying to feed him. Without him there we actually are passing, moving the puck & being more creative.  Teams cant defend 5 guys as well as 1. 

This. I think mainly a product of better/faster puck movement and more creative players, as you said. It's great to have a guy who can blast it too, but most goalies can stop shots they can see even if they're hard. What works is getting the D and goalie to move laterally and catching them out of position. AG on the right point has got a really quick release from there on his off-wing and that's been the key IMO.

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