Should we be shopping Gallagher?

[H_T_L]

Call me crazy, but his value has to be as high as it can get. Just think how many teams would love to add a high energy pest that can also score, going into the playoffs. How many more years can we expect from him with the abuse he takes on a daily basis? I love the guy, but i don't see  his body holding up in the long term, and this may be the best time to part with him. Would you do it for a guaranteed 1st rounder and another couple A prospects? May seem like a lot but he is on a decent value contract with term. Personally, i can see the asking price being this at minimum and possibly more. Thoughts?

[kinot-2]

10 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

Call me crazy, but his value has to be as high as it can get. Just think how many teams would love to add a high energy pest that can also score, going into the playoffs. How many more years can we expect from him with the abuse he takes on a daily basis? I love the guy, but i don't see  his body holding up in the long term, and this may be the best time to part with him. Would you do it for a guaranteed 1st rounder and another couple A prospects? May seem like a lot but he is on a decent value contract with term. Personally, i can see the asking price being this at minimum and possibly more. Thoughts?

Ok,,,,, "you're crazy!!".

Seriously, would you want to defend against him? Yes, we could get a nice package for him, but he's one of the very few on this team who plays hard. 

 

[FireHabs]

A big no!

[H_T_L]

18 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

Ok,,,,, "you're crazy!!".

Seriously, would you want to defend against him? Yes, we could get a nice package for him, but he's one of the very few on this team who plays hard. 

 

Preferably out West. LOL 

The fact he plays like that is what makes him attractive. Unlike Shaw,,, he plays with intensity EVERY game and not just playoffs.

I have reservations about him being able to put out like this for much longer. His value may never be higher. MB's already in the doghouse for his PK trade. May as well rip the bandaid off and let him bleed out. 

[H_T_L]

8 minutes ago, FireHabs said:

A big no!

Is he untouchable in your eyes or would you want something more?

[FireHabs]

Untouchable, we need somebody with a will to play for the team (Habs).  I also think Pleks will be back next year.

[H_T_L]

Just now, FireHabs said:

Untouchable, we need somebody with a will to play for the team (Habs).  I also think Pleks will be back next year.

Fair enough. This is likely a career year for him. I'll be surprised to see him match or surpass this years effort. My feelings are that it will be a couple years, at least, before we're a playoff team again. Hate to see us waste his prime years with a team likely going nowhere. I see talk of Max's value who's currently having a poor season and it makes you think about what Gally's worth would be if he were on the market this year. Obviously he's not a UFA, so we don't hear any talk of being a deadline pickup.

[BigTed3]

1. I would listen to trade offers for any player.

2. The players I would be most hesitant to trade are the ones whose value I think will increase over time. Hudon. Lehkonen. Mete. Juulsen. Lindgren. Scherbak. All guys who are probably going to get better than they are now, and you'd probably only want to trade them if another team is dealing for them based on their potential.

3. With Plekanec gone and Pacioretty possibly going soon, Paul Byron becomes your oldest forward at 28, with everyone else 26 or under. Which is fine, maybe even good. The forward group as a whole is set up to be able to be able to be successful for another 5 years. On top of the guys I listed above, players like Drouin, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Shaw, Carr, and Danault can all be useful for several years. So I don't feel a pressing need to trade Gallagher in the way I think we should be pressing to trade Weber before he falls off the cliff. Gallagher can still fit into a master plan to be good in the near future.

4. That said, I agree with the concept (and have said this before myself too) that Gallagher isn't likely to give you any more than he's already given you. I think his performance has pretty much peaked. I also worry about his style of play and whether that will cost him health-wise as he gets a bit older. So the short answer is that I don't think we should be shopping Gallagher but I would definitely be curious to negotiate with any team that came calling about him. He's a consistent player on a friendly contract and he's coming off a great season. I would think his trade value would be quite high right now.

 

[Windoe]

Its an option that has to be looked at, and teams are undoubtedly calling for him. 

Its just a question of can we get something back that fills one of our three big needs or not. 

I'd have to think that on his own he could fill the #2C spot.

And combined with Pacioretty, we should be able to get a decent #1C.  

[FireHabs]

All that being said, who are we going to have as a real Montreal Canadiens player?  I know with the salary cap things changed but I would still like to hang on to a play for more than a couple of years that way you wouldn't have to say who is that guy playing tonight.  What ever happened to a team staying together for awhile?

[BigTed3]

3 minutes ago, FireHabs said:

All that being said, who are we going to have as a real Montreal Canadiens player?  I know with the salary cap things changed but I would still like to hang on to a play for more than a couple of years that way you wouldn't have to say who is that guy playing tonight.  What ever happened to a team staying together for awhile?

Ask Marc Begrevin why he traded away Subban and failed to address his team's biggest need for a top 2 center when he had a great core in its prime (Price, Subban, Petry, Pacioretty, Plekanec, Markov, Gallagher, etc.). Ask MB why he let guys like Subban and Radulov go when they were the glue that held this team together.

I think the Pacioretty/Weber/Price being your core ship has sailed. Now you build around guys like JD, AG, Lehkonen, Hudon, Scherbak, Danault, Mete, Juulsen, Lindgren, etc. Maybe BG is part of that. Maybe Shaw and Carr. We have a decent number of younger players who could be here a long time. We just need to let go of the idea that the older players are still the focus of the team. If MB realized he needed to trade Max, Carey, and Shea, we'd be gold.

[Windoe]

10 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Ask Marc Begrevin why he traded away Subban and failed to address his team's biggest need for a top 2 center when he had a great core in its prime (Price, Subban, Petry, Pacioretty, Plekanec, Markov, Gallagher, etc.). Ask MB why he let guys like Subban and Radulov go when they were the glue that held this team together.

I think the Pacioretty/Weber/Price being your core ship has sailed. Now you build around guys like JD, AG, Lehkonen, Hudon, Scherbak, Danault, Mete, Juulsen, Lindgren, etc. Maybe BG is part of that. Maybe Shaw and Carr. We have a decent number of younger players who could be here a long time. We just need to let go of the idea that the older players are still the focus of the team. If MB realized he needed to trade Max, Carey, and Shea, we'd be gold.

1st paragraph - LOL

2nd paragraph - Exactly

[habsisme]

I'm not against trading him but I wouldn't shop him either. I think he can be part of the future core, one of the teams veterans and the captain. 

[maas_art]

49 minutes ago, habsisme said:

I'm not against trading him but I wouldn't shop him either. I think he can be part of the future core, one of the teams veterans and the captain. 

This is my feeling too.  Ive been on the fence about BG for a while because, as Ted mentions, I think he may have peaked and most players his size do not play for long (Fleury and St Louis are exceptions, not the norm).  He probably can bring back more now in a trade than he will ever be able to in the future.

That said, he's still young, he is tenacious and he's that rare blend (for this team anyway) of skill AND grit. 

So i probably wouldnt be shopping in and I definitely wouldnt be adding him as a throw in to any deal but if a team pitched a strong need to me, Id definitely listen.  If Arizona coveted him so highly they would trade OEL for him, for example, id listen intently. 

[jennifer_rocket]

I would be fine if Gallagher was traded. As a few people have mentioned, his value is likely as high as it will ever be. If someone made an offer that looked good for the team, I would pull the trigger.

[H_T_L]

3 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I would be fine if Gallagher was traded. As a few people have mentioned, his value is likely as high as it will ever be. If someone made an offer that looked good for the team, I would pull the trigger.

It certainly would have to be a decent offer. As I've mentioned,,,, I think we've seen the best of Gally. I don't expect his play to fall off a cliff but it likely will decline going forward. If i'm GM,  i'd put his name out there from now until draft day.

[maas_art]

4 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I would be fine if Gallagher was traded. As a few people have mentioned, his value is likely as high as it will ever be. If someone made an offer that looked good for the team, I would pull the trigger.

 

45 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

It certainly would have to be a decent offer. As I've mentioned,,,, I think we've seen the best of Gally. I don't expect his play to fall off a cliff but it likely will decline going forward. If i'm GM,  i'd put his name out there from now until draft day.

Not saying it would happen (although it would honestly probably help both teams) but would you do RNH 1 for 1 for Gallagher? What if we had to include a 2nd rounder or something?

[H_T_L]

5 minutes ago, maas_art said:

 

Not saying it would happen (although it would honestly probably help both teams) but would you do RNH 1 for 1 for Gallagher? What if we had to include a 2nd rounder or something?

I think i'd bite on that deal. It clearly fills a hole at Center . We have four 2nd round picks. Losing one wouldn't be too tragic but i'd push for something lower like a 3rd.

[BigTed3]

18 minutes ago, maas_art said:

 

Not saying it would happen (although it would honestly probably help both teams) but would you do RNH 1 for 1 for Gallagher? What if we had to include a 2nd rounder or something?

1 for 1, yes. Gallagher and RNH are probably similar players in terms of the value they bring to their teams, so I think that's fair. Some might argue RNH is more valuable because he's a center, but Gallagher has been more consistent over his career IMO. There's also the pedigree component, where some might over-value RNH because he was a previous #1 overall pick.

That being said, I would consider throwing in a pick just because we're so desperate to find legit centers and we have a surplus of wingers, albeit you could say the inverse is true about Edmonton. Like HTL, though, I think adding in a 3rd or 4th rounder is fair and probably not more than that. Edmonton would be getting greedy if they want more.

[habs_93]

Yes. Aggressively.

[jeff33]

Absolutely.

We have been very guilty of overvaluing and being overly sentimental about our players.

I think pleks deserved multiple selke nominations, and is one of the most underrated players of his era. But we should have traded him when we extended him. And we are still talking about bringing him back again next year.

Patch had a couple of big seasons here, but I have been calling for a trade since 2 years ago. And now its too late to get proper value and we are gonna end up unhappy with the return, or god forbid even resign the guy.

Gallagher is a little sparkplug and its easy to be a fan.He has bounced back from brutal hand injuries way better than I thought he would....but at the end of the day he is an extremely undersized player who cannot play the way he does for too much longer and be effective, and even at peak production he is a 40-50 point guy. 

We need to start being a LOT more forward thinking and aggressive in how we make our moves.