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Who should be the next GM?  

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  1. 1. Who should be the next GM?



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I'm not even going to bother putting Marc Bergevin's name in the list of options, because it's very clear he deserves to be fired. If he goes, there haven't been too many legitimate candidates mentioned (because no, idiots like Pierre McGuire and tv analysts with no management experience like Vincent Damphousse don't deserve to be considered). But of the ones we've heard of, who do you hope to see take over? We're not asking who you think will get the job, we're asking who you would give the job to if it were your decision.

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The other one I've heard is Martin Brodeur, which isn't crazy considering he's an assistant GM with a half-decent team.

Brisebois is the obvious choice, especially considering Tampa's success. While you never know how an assistant GM will perform in the main seat, I think he'd be a great choice.

No way do I want Roy, I'd take Brodeur first if we want to go that route.

I was intrigued by Timmins last time, but given how bad our development has been the past few years (his main area of expertise) I don't really see a strong case for him.

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12 minutes ago, Graeme-1 said:

Brisebois is the obvious choice, especially considering Tampa's success. While you never know how an assistant GM will perform in the main seat, I think he'd be a great choice.

This.  I mean Bergevin seemed like a great choice after being assistant GM in Chicago (and i still think he did mostly the right things the first few years but then he left his brain down in the foxhole) but on paper Brisebois looks like the guy.

 

Brodeur is interesting. Not sure how he'd do. Larry Robinson is someone ive always thought would make a great GM. Smart, methodical - but i know he's mostly only ever coached/been a consultant.  He doesnt speak french well either.

If we stepped outside of our french language requirement, a guy like Paul Fenton could be a very interesting prospect.  He is Poile's right hand man in Nashville and its tough to say how much influence he has had over building that team.  He's certainly learned from one of the best. 

Dean Lombardi is probably the best non-employed candidate right now. Great track records building both the sharks and the Kings but again, no speak la Francais I believe.  Not sure he can build a modern team either, never given the chance since the league has changed... 

 

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I think the main thing is that we need to get out from the type of candidate who is an ex-player and a GM who thinks the right way to play the game is the way it was played in the 90's. This is no longer a game about who can block shots or tough out injuries or give a rallying speech twice a year before the big game. We need someone who gets the modern game.

I honestly don't know enough about Brisebois to make that judgment about him. As was pointed out, because he's an assistant GM, we don't know much about his own decision-making. He seems to be highly-respected in the hockey community, but I wonder how much that means after Bergevin. I honestly wouldn't be disappointed to get Brisebois, albeit I'd continue to have doubts about whether he was the best candidate or simply the best Francophone candidate. Likewise, Fenton could be interesting because of how he's viewed as a smart hockey person, but I don't know enough.

I think Brodeur could due to get more experience first, and Roy is one big giant no for me.

So why Timmins? Yes, the player development has been sub-par but it's hard to know how much of that is poor drafting and how much is poor development. I'd be inclined to believe it's the latter, given that SL is an awful coach and given that we've had more success with players who haven't gone through the AHL (Galchenyuk, Mete, Lehkonen, etc.). We also know that TT has publicly stated which picks he's been in disagreement with, and he's usually been able to rationalize the choices (e.g. I wasn't in favor of going after McCarron but Bergevin wanted to get bigger up front or Gainey was enamored by bringing a Francophone into the mix even if it was a bit of a reach or so on)... so either he legitimately didn't agree with going after things like size and Francophones over skill or at the very least, he's able to identify these as learning points and learn from these mistakes. And before we say it's clear that guys like Leblanc and McCarron and so on haven't worked out as expected, it's also clear Bergevin hasn't learned from past mistakes, so it'd be refreshing to see a guy who gets where things went wrong. I also think going to Timmins would help the transition. The new guy is going to be on the spot pretty quickly for an important draft where we have lots of top picks. He's going to have to make decisions about coaching staffs here and in Laval. I think TT might be better positioned to make informed decisions in those areas. He's a guy I'd like to give a chance to.

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24 minutes ago, maas_art said:

I know he's not francophone, but does he speak french at all?

Very minimal, I believe. Not enough to converse or hold a presser, as far as I know... I don't really care. Look at what we've had to put up with just to hire Francophones. Time to make a choice that favors success instead of politics.

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I like Roy despite the history. He is passionate to win, he will leave instead of go against his beliefs and would make sure anyone he hired is accountable from players to coaches. When he didn't like the direction Colorado was going he left.   His passion may distract the media long enough to keep him off their back. I would be surprised if he could be here long term without burning out, but other than that it would add some excitement to what has been a horribly boring hockey team. Julien and Bergevin are beginning to make Therrien look like a genius which I find extremely hard to believe. With Roy we'd living on a razors edge instead of falling off of one and I could get used to his face after a loss:5155:

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1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Very minimal, I believe. Not enough to converse or hold a presser, as far as I know... I don't really care. Look at what we've had to put up with just to hire Francophones. Time to make a choice that favors success instead of politics.

No i totally dont either, just know that it will be a stumbling block.

 

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7 hours ago, maas_art said:

No i totally dont either, just know that it will be a stumbling block.

 

Absolutely. But if you look at the mediocrity that the team has gotten from the likes of Bergevin, Therrien, Tremblay, Carbonneau, Lefebvre, Daigneault, Lacroix, and even Julien this time around, you have to wonder at what point they'll realize the Francophone thing is killing their chances of winning. At what point does Geoff Molson say to himself that we're bordering on 30 years of failure and that something has to change? He can't just say to himself that his GM is Brisebois or Roy or Damphousse or that his coach is Hartley or Roy or Carbonneau again... this team has pegged itself in a corner for a long time. I was for the Julien hire. I was against the Therrien hire. I am strongly against Lefebvre and Daigneault and Lacroix. I believe Bergevin should have lost his job a while ago. I would not be upset if Brisebois were hired as GM, but I also prefer to see Timmins given the shot. I thought Desharnais was overused and should have been traded. I really like what Danault and Hudon bring to the table. Bottom line for me is that there are Francophones who do their jobs well and who should be hired/retained and there are others who are awful and shouldn't. I'm not making those judgments based on language. The Habs are though. They stick it out with Francophones because they have limited other options. They reach for Francophone players in the draft and via trade at times.

Look at the ticket sales and interest in the Habs dwindling. If Molson wants to turn this around, he's got to lower ticket prices, be more fan friendly, fire Bergevin, and put in place a general manager who's in tune with today's style of NHL game and not just an ex-player dinosaur who is trying to construct a team to play a game that doesn't exist any more.

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Couldn’t agree more with what Big Ted wrote above. I live 2.5 hours away, and have been on the season ticket waiting list since 2009. Recently I received notice that next season my wait will be over, and the two tickets in the Reds will be available. Truly struggling with what to do: we’re talking over $8,000 for the two seats (20 game partial season ticket holder). When you figure in gas, food, lodging, etc, probably add another $2500-$4000 on top of that. At this point, with this GM in charge of the Titanic, I just can’t pull the trigger. My plan is to wait to see what transpires between now and Summer, and make the decision at that point. Not sure if I can delay my purchase at that point, but I refuse to support this current regime. 

M

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On 2018-02-27 at 6:55 AM, Canine64 said:

Couldn’t agree more with what Big Ted wrote above. I live 2.5 hours away, and have been on the season ticket waiting list since 2009. Recently I received notice that next season my wait will be over, and the two tickets in the Reds will be available. Truly struggling with what to do: we’re talking over $8,000 for the two seats (20 game partial season ticket holder). When you figure in gas, food, lodging, etc, probably add another $2500-$4000 on top of that. At this point, with this GM in charge of the Titanic, I just can’t pull the trigger. My plan is to wait to see what transpires between now and Summer, and make the decision at that point. Not sure if I can delay my purchase at that point, but I refuse to support this current regime. 

M

Buy low ?

 

 

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  • 2 weeks later...

Carolina has interviewed a number of candidates and has reportedly contacted Julien Brisebois and Paul Fenton (two guys we might/should have been interested in)... here go the Habs seeing more opportunity slip away because they're too stubborn to kick people who are bad at their jobs to the curb.

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2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Carolina has interviewed a number of candidates and has reportedly contacted Julien Brisebois and Paul Fenton (two guys we might/should have been interested in)... here go the Habs seeing more opportunity slip away because they're too stubborn to kick people who are bad at their jobs to the curb.

Molson has been drinking too much of his own potion IMO. His own GM has got him memorized.

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4 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Carolina has interviewed a number of candidates and has reportedly contacted Julien Brisebois and Paul Fenton (two guys we might/should have been interested in)... here go the Habs seeing more opportunity slip away because they're too stubborn to kick people who are bad at their jobs to the curb.

TB has said they will not grant access to brisebois during the season and i imagine a number of teams like Nashville would be the same, so while carolina may have enquired, i dont think they'd be allowed to negotiate just yet.

having said that, i completely agree, the sooner you make it known you're looking, the more options would open up before the draft. if we're replacing bergevin we're going about it the wrong way. if we're not replacing bergevin...well thats even worse.

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FWIW, Jack Todd in The Gazette now saying fans are exaggerating their reaction to Bergevin but that oh yeah, he should be fired... so even Todd is on board as saying Bergevin has been so bad at his job that he should go. Todd questions how Molson reviewed Bergevin's work in season and decided that despite the downward spiral over the past 4 years, he still deserves to keep his job. Bottom line is that this thing derailed with the Price injury and the egos that decided trading Subban was the answer, and the ship hasn't been righted since.

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9 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

FWIW, Jack Todd in The Gazette now saying fans are exaggerating their reaction to Bergevin but that oh yeah, he should be fired... so even Todd is on board as saying Bergevin has been so bad at his job that he should go. Todd questions how Molson reviewed Bergevin's work in season and decided that despite the downward spiral over the past 4 years, he still deserves to keep his job. Bottom line is that this thing derailed with the Price injury and the egos that decided trading Subban was the answer, and the ship hasn't been righted since.

I read the very same sweet article by the great Habs fans admonisher Jack Todd; who seems to have been somehow given great wisdom from above that our lowly selves as fans, and our own common sense and opinions are irrelevant. He has made it his special mission it seems, to want to make us understand that he has some kind of special link to the understandings of Habs management; the greater workings and the bigger picture etc.etc.

We are losers, we continue to be losers and we will keep being losers as long as the current management stays in place. :blink:

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It's almost baffling that Molson can sit idly by and watch this team suffer under the failed management. From a money standpoint, I don't think Molson wants to pay for 2 Gm's and three coaches. The new GM would most certainly fire Julien and bring in his own team. I wonder how long that will stand if he really starts losing money. Maybe he won't fire Bergevin because of MB's connection with Tavares agent and he's in dream land. He thinks Bergevin will land Tavares and maybe the habs drop so far in the standings that they get the #1 pick. A team of Tavares, Dahlin, Price, Galchenyuk, Drouin, and whatever can be received in a Pacioretty trade, Gallager, Scherbak, Rychel, Juulsen, Mete, and Reilly could probably do some real damage.   Weber I feel should be traded, so I didn't include him. The rest of the roster I think can be changed. I don't believe the habs management has any true foresight and I'm just being optimistic, but I'm hoping this is the only reason that makes sense. 

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On 3/20/2018 at 11:48 PM, ThinkOutsidethebox said:

It's almost baffling that Molson can sit idly by and watch this team suffer under the failed management. From a money standpoint, I don't think Molson wants to pay for 2 Gm's and three coaches. 

Well the thing is though, revenue wise they are doing poorly this year.  Still profitable but not by usual Montreal Canadiens standards. Plus there have been no playoff revenues 2 of the last 3 years (and only a small amount last year).  So you have to think that if they can bring in a new team that can generate lots of interest and, more importantly, get us winning again, then the cost of increased profits should well exceed the cost of paying management to sit at home. 

 

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Methinks Timmins would be a very good GM. He's been with the Habs since '02- 03, and he knows how to evaluate talent. I really don't think there would be any Foxhole. 

JM2C

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