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Do you agree with the Habs' choice to recall Michael McCarron  

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  1. 1. Do you agree with the Habs' choice to recall Michael McCarron

    • Yes, we need to know what he can do
    • No, it should have been Kerby Rychel or someone else


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7 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

both

Sure, but of the two, which one would you prefer to have seen recalled? Is it better to give Mac a shot at center since we have no centers? Or do you want to know what the new guy can do since we know less about him, even though we have tons of wingers ahead of him?

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If it's just for a cup of coffee,,, either one. but if they (management) want to see what what one has to offer for 5-10 games, I'll go with Rychel. IMO, SL ruined Mac, and that continued with the way MT handled him. 

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31 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

If it's just for a cup of coffee,,, either one. but if they (management) want to see what what one has to offer for 5-10 games, I'll go with Rychel. IMO, SL ruined Mac, and that continued with the way MT handled him. 

Agreed.  Rychel still has the chance to be an impact player (he was drafted later the first round the same year as Drouin, so he's still a pretty young player).  Unfortunately he's another LW but id still rather see what he can do & know just how expendable a guy like Pacioretty is, come summer time.  So far (on paper anyway, i havent seen any games) he's been lighting it up in Laval with what 5g and 7p in 8 games or something? 

 

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Interestingly, it sounds like they want Mac to be a defensive forward now. So they are bringing him up to see if his defensive game from the AHL translates to a defensive game in the NHL.  All good and fine but do we not already have lots of defensive bottom 6 forwards? Should we not be seeing what we have offensively available to us (ie Rychel) before we try to fix the roster this summer?

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2018/3/15/17071632/michael-mccarron-adapting-new-laval-rocket-role-positive-look-toward-nhl-future-st-johns-icecaps

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39 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Interestingly, it sounds like they want Mac to be a defensive forward now. So they are bringing him up to see if his defensive game from the AHL translates to a defensive game in the NHL.  All good and fine but do we not already have lots of defensive bottom 6 forwards? Should we not be seeing what we have offensively available to us (ie Rychel) before we try to fix the roster this summer?

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2018/3/15/17071632/michael-mccarron-adapting-new-laval-rocket-role-positive-look-toward-nhl-future-st-johns-icecaps

Call me stupid but I think Mac is too big to be a defensive forward.

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

Interestingly, it sounds like they want Mac to be a defensive forward now. So they are bringing him up to see if his defensive game from the AHL translates to a defensive game in the NHL.  All good and fine but do we not already have lots of defensive bottom 6 forwards? Should we not be seeing what we have offensively available to us (ie Rychel) before we try to fix the roster this summer?

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2018/3/15/17071632/michael-mccarron-adapting-new-laval-rocket-role-positive-look-toward-nhl-future-st-johns-icecaps

we are going to win a cup 1-0 come hell or high water

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1 hour ago, habs1952 said:

Call me stupid but I think Mac is too big to be a defensive forward.

Why would size have any impact?  I could see the arguement about his speed/skating but i dont see why being a bigger player would have any inherent impact on being good defensively or not. 

14 minutes ago, jeff33 said:

we are going to win a cup 1-0 come hell or high water

haha. seems like it eh?  Bergevin has definitely lost the plot. 

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2 hours ago, maas_art said:

Why would size have any impact?  I could see the arguement about his speed/skating but i dont see why being a bigger player would have any inherent impact on being good defensively or not. 

 

I guess I shoulda mentioned his speed and skating.

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1 hour ago, habs1952 said:

I guess I shoulda mentioned his speed and skating.

And thats potentially legit. His skating is not great (although improved).  Speed wise I think he's a bit better than he may look (big guys always look slow) but the thing that worries me more about him as a defensive player is vision.  There are 2 kinds of defensive players:  positional and speedy.  If you're a positional player you read the plays so well, you dont have to be fast, you're always in the right position.  If you're speedy, positioning isnt nearly as crucial because you can get back into the play.  

My worry is that MacCarron is neither.  I think he *might* have been ok as a north-south winger who just drives to the net but apparently we didnt want him to play the position and type of game he was clearly built for.  

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So yes, agreed that the right move for the organization would be to have recalled both guys.  Now is exactly the time to know what your young players can or cannot do, and we frankly don't need to gather more information on the likes of Froese or Deslauriers. Frankly, I'd rather see Mac and Rychel more than DLR too.

That said, I'm more curious to know what Rychel can do. We've seen mac a few times. He usually impresses in his first 2-3 games and then settles into a state where he performs less well... I'm more curious to know what Rychel brings, and I think our coaches need to learn more about him.

The argument has been made that the Habs could use another center... well that's fine, except that I'd rather see Rychel on wing and AG at center than AG at wing and Mac at center (and in fact, I view Mac as more of a RW than center to begin with). But coming back to the center position, Claude Julien today said that he doesn't necessarily see JD moving back to wing next year... he stated that Bergevin said under ideal conditions JD would be a winger, but that next season, we can't foresee ideal conditions being in place either (as if MB isn't really planning on doing anything to acquire a center). CJ went on to add that the Habs realize JD has had issues playing center but that he's young and the team has to be patient and give him time to learn the position. WHAT? Seriously, what? The organization gave AG maybe two 20-25 game runs at center, during which he scored at a much higher pace than JD has done. Both players have struggled defensively in that role. Both players have struggled in the face-off circle. So why does one guy get lambasted in the media and criticized to no end about his lack of ability at center and the other is given reprieve after reprieve and "a chance to learn the position." It's disgusting IMO. So Desharnais is given a long leash, and Drouin also gets one. But AG does not. Really hard to see anything here other than pure and frank discrimination, be it a dislike of AG or Russian players in general or else an over-willingness to defend and commit to French-Canadian players (which is also discrimination against others if that's the case).

So yeah, the smart move would have been AG to center and Rychel to wing. This whole play-around is yet another embarrassment in the way the Habs have treated their players and fans.

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1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

So yeah, the smart move would have been AG to center and Rychel to wing. This whole play-around is yet another embarrassment in the way the Habs have treated their players and fans.

Totally. Its why, if the plan is to fire MB (I dont think it is but just in case) then you do it NOW - even going with no GM in the interim - and let the coaches try stuff.  This year is a wash. Lets see what we've got.    Its not inconceivable that Rychel was totally buried in a system in Toronto that has much stronger forwards.  He wasnt one of the 4 best wingers there, but he could well be here. 

8 minutes ago, Habs=stanleycup said:

So they want a defensive forward who can`t score goals. We already let Plekanec go.

Pretty sure that if MB is back, Plekanec will be resigned this summer. 

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2 hours ago, maas_art said:

 Its not inconceivable that Rychel was totally buried in a system in Toronto that has much stronger forwards.  He wasnt one of the 4 best wingers there, but he could well be here. 

That's sad

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