campabee82 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: First off, are there any players that may be able to play center? I'm thinking Hudon for one and watching Agostino play and want to control the puck, I wonder if he could do it. Frankly I wonder if Domi could be more effective coming of the wing splitting up Drouin and Domi has to be tried... and IMHO the way to do it would be to have 4 lines that are rotated almost equally... with the exception of the power play and penalty kill of course. I'd try this... Domi-Danault-Gallagher Tatar-Kotkaniemi-Armia Drouin-Hudon-Lehkonen Byron-Chaput-Agostino Deslaurier, Peca I understand the thought process here but Danault is not a 1st line center. My thought was similar to others as we could literally through out any combination of Tatar, Gallagher, Domi, Drouin, Kotkaniemi, Hudon, Lehkonen, Byron, Danault and Shaw when healthy and have 2 or 3 very solid lines. The key will be to find that magical combination that pushes the habs to the next level which is winning a playoff series. So consider this shake up Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi-Gallagher Drouin-Domi-Tatar Byron-Danault-Hudon Agostino-Chaput-Armia I think the duo's that have been working can work again with just minor tweaks at a time that's why I proposed keeping both Drouin-Domi and Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi together inserting Gallager and Tatar on their wings provides net front presence for both lines and the Third line is fast and defensively responsible with both Byron and Hudon possibly adding depth scoring across a third line. Agostino-Chaput can be paired with any of the remaining forwards to create that 4th line energy we love to see from them but I went with Armia cause I think if he is on that line his points would see a significant increase. On a side note when Shaw gets back I would have a trade set to go so that waiving anyone wouldn't be required. As for the D we need to waive/Trade Alzner fast so that CJ doesn't have the option of inserting him EVER again. Mete-Weber Kulak-Petry Reilly-Juulsen Benn 1st PP Domi-Kotkaniemi-Gallagher Hudon-Reilly 2nd PP Drouin-Danault-Tatar Kulak-Weber The first PP then has 2 Players to drive the net and establish pressure JK as puck distributor he also has that wickedly deceptive wrist shot and Hudon and Reilly to help move the puck around and get shots on net. The second will maintain pressure as Drouin is good at gaining entry if lost and moving the puck Kulak can recover if the puck gets away Weber has the Bomb Tatar will drive the net and Danault just simply wins draws consistently getting possession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 8 hours ago, campabee82 said: I understand the thought process here but Danault is not a 1st line center. My thought was similar to others as we could literally through out any combination of Tatar, Gallagher, Domi, Drouin, Kotkaniemi, Hudon, Lehkonen, Byron, Danault and Shaw when healthy and have 2 or 3 very solid lines. The key will be to find that magical combination that pushes the habs to the next level which is winning a playoff series. So consider this shake up Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi-Gallagher; Drouin-Domi-Tatar; Byron-Danault-Hudon; Agostino-Chaput-Armia I think the duo's that have been working can work again with just minor tweaks at a time that's why I proposed keeping both Drouin-Domi and Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi together inserting Gallager and Tatar on their wings provides net front presence for both lines and the Third line is fast and defensively responsible with both Byron and Hudon possibly adding depth scoring across a third line. Agostino-Chaput can be paired with any of the remaining forwards to create that 4th line energy we love to see from them but I went with Armia cause I think if he is on that line his points would see a significant increase. On a side note when Shaw gets back I would have a trade set to go so that waiving anyone wouldn't be required. As for the D we need to waive/Trade Alzner fast so that CJ doesn't have the option of inserting him EVER again. Mete-Weber; Kulak-Petry; Reilly-Juulsen; Benn 1st PP: Domi-Kotkaniemi-Gallagher; Hudon-Reilly; 2nd PP: Drouin-Danault-Tatar; Kulak-Weber The first PP then has 2 Players to drive the net and establish pressure JK as puck distributor he also has that wickedly deceptive wrist shot and Hudon and Reilly to help move the puck around and get shots on net. The second will maintain pressure as Drouin is good at gaining entry if lost and moving the puck Kulak can recover if the puck gets away Weber has the Bomb Tatar will drive the net and Danault just simply wins draws consistently getting possession. I see your reluctance, as with many others it seems, to separate Domi and Drouin. The point of the exercise I undertook was to enable the separation of the two. IMHO, Domi like Drouin before him is not the answer as a defacto #1 center. As, and if, we wait for Kotkaniemi to develop, as seems to be the case, then Danault remains the best two-way center playing for the Habs right now (if Shaw was available he could be the next best bet perhaps). Curious that you do use Danault as the second PP center although you pencil him in as a 3rd. It is also interesting that you do not have Petry on either PP unit (? explain). At this point I do not believe mixing and matching players to form a power-play group is the way to go... I'd simply continue to roll the lines and d-pairings to maintain cohesive units throughout the games. In my suggestion I tried to spread out the talent, skill, experience and work ethic of the forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony5775 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 Domi and Drouin will be broke up tonight as the lines are. Step in the right direction. Drouin - Danault - Gallagher Lehkonen - Domi - Armia Tatar - Kotkaniemi - Byron Agostino - Chaput - Deslauriers Mete - Weber Reilly - Petry Kulak - Benn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff33 Posted January 12, 2019 Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 wow ,of all combinations possible we made the worst ones,nice julien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted January 12, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, jeff33 said: wow ,of all combinations possible we made the worst ones,nice julien Swap Domi and Danault and it wouldn't be bad... you'd keep Domi-Drouin together but give them the Gallagher sparkplug and that's line 1; JK's line becomes the clear 2, and Danault slides to 3. The problem is that CJ overvalues Danault's offensive ability when he is and should be the 3C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campabee82 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: I see your reluctance, as with many others it seems, to separate Domi and Drouin. The point of the exercise I undertook was to enable the separation of the two. IMHO, Domi like Drouin before him is not the answer as a defacto #1 center. As, and if, we wait for Kotkaniemi to develop, as seems to be the case, then Danault remains the best two-way center playing for the Habs right now (if Shaw was available he could be the next best bet perhaps). Curious that you do use Danault as the second PP center although you pencil him in as a 3rd. It is also interesting that you do not have Petry on either PP unit (? explain). At this point I do not believe mixing and matching players to form a power-play group is the way to go... I'd simply continue to roll the lines and d-pairings to maintain cohesive units throughout the games. In my suggestion I tried to spread out the talent, skill, experience and work ethic of the forwards. 1 it's not really Domi-Drouin that I was reluctant to separate it was more Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi and Agostino-Chaput bit I got what you were doing. 2 I have Danault on the 2nd PP cause our other 2 centers JK and Domi are on the first unit and I was trying to separate Domi Drouin a bit to see how they would do apart then if that works out we can make the change on a perminate basis 3 I had Reilly on the first unit cause he actually has the best PP numbers of our D. And Weber is on the 2nd unit so I didn't want the first pairing after the PP to have to be our 3rd pairing thus Petry not on the PP but if you wanted him slotted in you could take Hudon off the first unit slide Reilly over and put Petry on the right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony5775 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 8 hours ago, jeff33 said: wow ,of all combinations possible we made the worst ones,nice julien Those terrible lines got a 3-0 win. It was time for a change up. Wow what a great win. Shame an anything goes thread not on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff33 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 3 hours ago, tony5775 said: Those terrible lines got a 3-0 win. It was time for a change up. Wow what a great win. Shame an anything goes thread not on this site. I was all for a change, glad we won. if danault gets 2 assists every night cool. he wont. domi needs better wingers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 8 hours ago, jeff33 said: I was all for a change, glad we won. if danault gets 2 assists every night cool. he wont. domi needs better wingers IMO Domi, like Drouin, needs to play the wing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWelly Posted January 13, 2019 Report Share Posted January 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: IMO Domi, like Drouin, needs to play the wing... I actually like Domi at center. To be a good center you don't have to put up big numbers every night. I like his defensive awareness. He helps out down low and back checks, his coverage for a center is what it needs to be. I'd like to see him with Tatar (good skill set) and Gallagher (great worker) . I believe these would be good wingers for him to work off of. Keep Drioun with JK . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted January 14, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 10 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: IMO Domi, like Drouin, needs to play the wing... 4 hours ago, CaptWelly said: I actually like Domi at center. To be a good center you don't have to put up big numbers every night. I like his defensive awareness. He helps out down low and back checks, his coverage for a center is what it needs to be. I'd like to see him with Tatar (good skill set) and Gallagher (great worker) . I believe these would be good wingers for him to work off of. Keep Drioun with JK . I'm also happy with the job Domi has done as a center. At some point down the line, maybe Domi moves to wing if other young centers surpass him, but for now, he's the best center on the team and he's produced at both ends. The only thing I'd like to see is for him to stop taking dumb penalties. Any time he takes a hit or a slash or whatever it is, he loses all focus on the game and just goes nuts trying to run the guy who hit him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PuckPundit Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 The coach's favourites: Deslaurier, Danault, Agostino and Schlemko, will always get a slot regardless of effectiveness. That's why this team is always handicapped by poor coaching deployment. What's mind boggling is how an experienced coach like Julien cannot see the obvious that armchair fans like ourselves see during play on ice. My only conclusion is he stubbornly refuses to see the obvious, which is why his old school coaching methods have been left behind by the game's evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWelly Posted January 14, 2019 Report Share Posted January 14, 2019 19 hours ago, BigTed3 said: I'm also happy with the job Domi has done as a center. At some point down the line, maybe Domi moves to wing if other young centers surpass him, but for now, he's the best center on the team and he's produced at both ends. The only thing I'd like to see is for him to stop taking dumb penalties. Any time he takes a hit or a slash or whatever it is, he loses all focus on the game and just goes nuts trying to run the guy who hit him. I agree with that completely he can get off his game. We need him on the ice not in the box. I will say though for someone who is skilled and actually small he is tough and will stand up for himself which I do like. He just has to be smart about it and not let players get him off his game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted January 16, 2019 Report Share Posted January 16, 2019 With Byron suspended for three games and Shaw still injured, who draws in... Hudon or Peca? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted January 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Habs_Hockey_Nutz said: With Byron suspended for three games and Shaw still injured, who draws in... Hudon or Peca? You would hope Hudon draws into the top 9, since he's the only top 9 player we have not currently in the top 9. And you would also hope that Peca draws in for any one of the three current 4th liners we have, all of whom have been abysmal over the past couple of weeks. Chaput and Agostino really performed well when first called up, but they have become liabilities of late, and we don't need to further discuss how bad Deslauriers has been. Would be hard to believe the Habs could throw untalented players onto the 3rd line ahead of a skill player like Hudon, but anything is possible. With Byron out, I'd go Drouin-Domi-Gallagher Tatar-Kotkaniemi-Hudon Lehkonen-Danault-Armia Agostino-Peca-Chaput Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campabee82 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, BigTed3 said: You would hope Hudon draws into the top 9, since he's the only top 9 player we have not currently in the top 9. And you would also hope that Peca draws in for any one of the three current 4th liners we have, all of whom have been abysmal over the past couple of weeks. Chaput and Agostino really performed well when first called up, but they have become liabilities of late, and we don't need to further discuss how bad Deslauriers has been. Would be hard to believe the Habs could throw untalented players onto the 3rd line ahead of a skill player like Hudon, but anything is possible. With Byron out, I'd go Drouin-Domi-Gallagher Tatar-Kotkaniemi-Hudon Lehkonen-Danault-Armia Agostino-Peca-Chaput I agree but I may swap Peca and Chaput cause Peca isn't that great at center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted January 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, campabee82 said: I agree but I may swap Peca and Chaput cause Peca isn't that great at center. I think it's a toss-up. Chaput is stronger, but Peca is a better skater. If you look at face-offs, Chaput is at 51% for the year and Peca's at 49% but they're not that far off of each other. Looking at it another way, Chaput has won 6 more faceoffs than he has lost. Peca has lost 4 more than he has won. One game either way could swing those numbers in Peca's favor pretty quickly. Peca also won 57% of his draws with Tampa last year, which is an outstanding number, so I'm not overly concerned about his ability there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 We all know Peca will slot in next game with Byron out. For whatever reason, Hudon is at the bottom of the pecking order with CJ. The only question remaining is does he slot in the top 9 or does he move up Agostino? It won't be Chaput because he plays center and even CJ is not stupid enough to move up Dlo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
campabee82 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 22 minutes ago, BigTed3 said: I think it's a toss-up. Chaput is stronger, but Peca is a better skater. If you look at face-offs, Chaput is at 51% for the year and Peca's at 49% but they're not that far off of each other. Looking at it another way, Chaput has won 6 more faceoffs than he has lost. Peca has lost 4 more than he has won. One game either way could swing those numbers in Peca's favor pretty quickly. Peca also won 57% of his draws with Tampa last year, which is an outstanding number, so I'm not overly concerned about his ability there. I just didn't realize they were that close so it doesn't matter then lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 With back-to-back games coming up, perhaps we will see Hudon AND Peca. Not that I am concerned. Hudon and Peca are pretty meaningless players in the grand scheme of Montreal' success or failure. Sure, call up Jake Evans and give him a game instead! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habs_Hockey_Nutz Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 11 hours ago, H_T_L said: We all know Peca will slot in next game with Byron out. For whatever reason, Hudon is at the bottom of the pecking order with CJ. The only question remaining is does he slot in the top 9 or does he move up Agostino? It won't be Chaput because he plays center and even CJ is not stupid enough to move up Dlo. I wouldn't doubt this may be what happens. IMO Peca may be the closest thing in terms of speed that compares to Byron. And he can play both wing and center apparently, which could be a plus in his favor. It also depends on which team they are facing when it comes to dressing Deslauriers... so regarding Ted's wanting to see both Peca and Hudon playing, it would be a long-shot. I still think Hudon can be a player if truly given a chance in the right circumstance... and if I'm not wrong he has played some center in the past I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 Nothing conclusive from today's practice A look at the forward lines and defense pairings featured at Thursday's morning skate at the Bell Sports Complex. Tatar - Domi - Lehkonen Drouin - Danault - Gallagher Hudon/Peca - Kotkaniemi - Armia Agostino - Chaput - Deslauriers Byron Mete - Weber Reilly - Petry Kulak - Benn Price Niemi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 hours ago, H_T_L said: Nothing conclusive from today's practice A look at the forward lines and defense pairings featured at Thursday's morning skate at the Bell Sports Complex. Tatar - Domi - Lehkonen Drouin - Danault - Gallagher Hudon/Peca - Kotkaniemi - Armia Agostino - Chaput - Deslauriers Byron Mete - Weber Reilly - Petry Kulak - Benn Price Niemi Finally happy with the defense (although id rather have Juulsen in for Benn, I understand they are working on things with him in Laval) but up front Id make some major adjustments. With Byron and Shaw out Id like to see: Tatar - Domi - Gallagher Drouin - Kotkaniemi - Lehkonen Hudon - Danault - Armia Agostino - Chaput - Peca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted January 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 ^^ Juulsen was hurt in the minors, not sure if he's back yet... and even when he is, probably needs some rehab time before a recall, so likely not a short-term option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsAlways Posted January 18, 2019 Report Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 hours ago, maas_art said: Finally happy with the defense (although id rather have Juulsen in for Benn, I understand they are working on things with him in Laval) but up front Id make some major adjustments. With Byron and Shaw out Id like to see: Tatar - Domi - Gallagher Drouin - Kotkaniemi - Lehkonen Hudon - Danault - Armia Agostino - Chaput - Peca That's overly optimistic for Julien Danault has 17pts in last 17 games ... so Domi and him will remain the top 2 centers ... and I don't think you'll see both Hudon and Peca come in We're likely to see : Tatar - Domi - Armia Drouin - Danault - Gallagher Agostino - Kotkaniemi - Lehkonen Peca/Hudon - Chaput - Deslauriers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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