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[campabee82]

Just now, caperns61 said:

lots of players have higher ceiling does not mean a hill of beans. who ever gets the job done that is what you want. he has been in the bottom ten in goaltending last season and this season something has to give. if he is going to give up 5 and 6 goals a game why play him. i dont care what you pay him or what his ceilig is. he has not step up once this season. time to sit a bit and figure things out. 

 

Did you not see the first 2 goals on him NO goalie in the world alive, dead or not born yet could have made either save. Mete didn't even stretch out to make the pass harder on the first one just allowed it to go right through his feet, if he lays out the pass never makes it. The second off the face off was actually a shot that Price was in the process of going down to stop and the Sabre intercepted and was allowed to walk around him.

[kinot-2]

Post game, Carey said: "I did not play well tonight". 

[campabee82]

3 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

Post game, Carey said: "I did not play well tonight". 

I get that and like I said I didn't see the second or most of the third was just pointing out that IT'S NOT ALL on  Carey as everyone is saying those first 2 were definitely on the D and I still say Peca tipped the OT winner. 

[kinot-2]

I'd give Carey 10 more starts, and if he's still the same, then the coaches/management has a problem. 

[campabee82]

11 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

I get that and like I said I didn't see the second or most of the third was just pointing out that IT'S NOT ALL on  Carey as everyone is saying those first 2 were definitely on the D and I still say Peca tipped the OT winner. 

Check out the 1:16 Mark of the video below to determine for yourself if Peca tipped the puck sure looks like it to me. Also note that both Reilly and Lehkonen gave up on the play before it left the Sabres end.

https://www.nhl.com/video/ristolainen-wins-it-in-ot/t-277350912/c-62738903

[kinot-2]

22 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

Check out the 1:16 Mark of the video below to determine for yourself if Peca tipped the puck sure looks like it to me. Also note that both Reilly and Lehkonen gave up on the play before it left the Sabres end.

https://www.nhl.com/video/ristolainen-wins-it-in-ot/t-277350912/c-62738903

However, IMO, Carey should have come out more and cut down the angle. 

[campabee82]

14 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

However, IMO, Carey should have come out more and cut down the angle. 

Very true but with the tip I am not convinced that would have made a difference. I would say it may have increased his chances of making the stop by maybe 5-10 percent as being closer to the shot means less time to pick up the shot off the stick, and either way that was a laser beam of a shot. So he may have made the save being closer but he may not even have been able to react to it being closer to it. Peca IMO did the right thing as all he was trying to do was deflect it out of play, but also have to trust your goalie will make that save so maybe the better play would have been to allow the shot, but we can debate all night on what the right play was on both players, should Peca have left the shot for Price should Price have come out more. Really there is probably no right answer as we will never know what would have made the difference. My point was the shot did not appear to be as soft a goal as everyone seems to think it was, as IMO from the video it appears that Peca tipped it. So I am not as willing to blame Price entirely. As I said I also do not blame Peca for trying to break up the play either, just a result of the circumstances.

[kinot-2]

1 minute ago, campabee82 said:

Very true but with the tip I am not convinced that would have made a difference. I would say it may have increased his chances of making the stop by maybe 5-10 percent as being closer to the shot means less time to pick up the shot off the stick, and either way that was a laser beam of a shot. So he may have made the save being closer bit he may not even have been able to react to it being closer to it. Peca IMO did the right thing as all he was trying to do was deflect it out of play, but also have to trust your goalie will make that save so maybe the better play would have been to allow the shot, but we can debate all night on what the right play was on both players, should Peca have left the shot for Price should Price have come out more. Really there is probably no right answer as we will never know what would have made the difference. My point was the shot did not appear to be as soft a goal as everyone seems to think it was, as IMO from the video it appears that Peca tipped it. So I am not as willing to blame Price entirely. As I said I also do not blame Peca for trying to break up the play either, just a result of the circumstances.

I watched Peca on the back-check and IMO, he did everything right, but He might have tipped it,,, Carey might have come out more, but when Letkonen took that SOG from a bad angle and missed, everyone knew that the puck would come around the boards, and give the Sabres an opportunity for a rush up the ice. 

JM2C, but when your in OT, any SOG should be shot from about 30-45 degrees directly in from of the goalie, so if you miss, it's not as bad as ringing it around the boards from a 60-75 degree angle.

[campabee82]

12 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

JM2C, but when your in OT, any SOG should be shot from about 30-45 degrees directly in from of the goalie, so if you miss, it's not as bad as ringing it around the boards from a 60-75 degree angle.

Totally agree with the fact that it was a bad shot selection and wasn't trying to blame Peca at all like I said he was just trying to break up the play, IMO though him and Lehkonen shouldn't have been on the ice. I also believe that's what made Reilly make the decision to rush with the puck instead of moving it up to the forwards, cause everyone knows if it had been Gally and Danault or Tatar and Drouin or Kotkaniemi and Shaw or any other combination of our top 6 forwards out there on that play he would not have carried it all the way up the ice like that he would have passed ahead and been in good defensive position and if not that would have been on him for jumping up unnecessarily. So IMO bad coaching and circumstances led to the OT winner, really no Player other than Lehkonen for the shot location was really to blame for the goal.

[kinot-2]

2 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

Totally agree with the fact that it was a bad shot selection and wasn't trying to blame Peca at all like I said he was just trying to break up the play, IMO though him and Lehkonen shouldn't have been on the ice. I also believe that's what made Reilly make the decision to rush with the puck instead of moving it up to the forwards, cause everyone knows if it had been Gally and Danault or Tatar and Drouin or Kotkaniemi and Shaw or any other combination of our top 6 forwards out there on that play he would not have carried it all the way up the ice like that he would have passed ahead and been in good defensive position and if not that would have been on him for jumping up unnecessarily. 

When I first saw them on the ice, I thought "why are they on the ice". I blame coaching for that mistake. 

[campabee82]

Just now, kinot-2 said:

When I first saw them on the ice, I thought "why are they on the ice". I blame coaching for that mistake. 

I said the game was over when I saw them out there lol. I hate that our top 6 never even hit the ice in OT.  Like what is that. And the fact that the 4th line started the game, I didn't get that strategy either. We got lucky we didn't get scored on in the first minute. This was a badly coached game from start to finnish. 

[kinot-2]

1 minute ago, campabee82 said:

I said the game was over when I saw them out there lol. I hate that our top 6 never even hit the ice in OT.  Like what is that. And the fact that the 4th line started the game, I didn't get that strategy either. We got lucky we didn't get scored on in the first minute. This was a badly coached game from start to finnish. 

^^^^ This. 

[campabee82]

Before the game started I thought why is Shaw on the Drouin-Domi line however it turned out to not be as bad of a call as I thought it was. Didn't mind the forward lines tonight but the D pairings sucked again. But I have a theory. Maybe CJ is just simply trying to match a good player with a bad one see below.

Benn-Petry (hopes Petry can make up for Benn's mistakes and Benn is the 4th most experienced and most reliable out of Benn and Alzner so he can play more minutes)

Alzner-Reilly (hopes Reilly offsets Alzner and with reduced minutes Alzner isn't as much of an anchor)

Ouellett-Mete (least experienced and yet also neither has to offset the other.)

Maybe also hoping to show that both Alzner and Benn can be effective if played with the right type of player for trade interest.

[jennifer_rocket]

The defense was terrible. Yes.

But also...

Carey cannot allow 6 goals. I am sorry. I don't care how difficult some of those saves were to make. Some of them should have been stopped. He's allowed how many goals in his last four games? 19. That's terrible for a player who has the THIRD highest cap hit in the league at $10.5 million.

[campabee82]

30 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said:

The defense was terrible. Yes.

But also...

Carey cannot allow 6 goals. I am sorry. I don't care how difficult some of those saves were to make. Some of them should have been stopped. He's allowed how many goals in his last four games? 19. That's terrible for a player who has the THIRD highest cap hit in the league at $10.5 million.

Ok I saw the highlights of the goals that I missed last night and I will say that 2 of the 4 were stoppable. However the 2 on 1 was poorly played by Mete and no one could have stopped it. Also the one from the face off was basically a 2 on 0 down low so again poor defense and Carey had no chance. The second goal was definitely goalie interference and shouldn't have counted. And the OT goal was crap all around wrong players on the ice to begin with, Lehkonen missed an open shot on net by like 3 feet, Peca tipped the puck IMO (right play so no fault to Peca) but most of all Ristolainen should have been kicked out of the game earlier. So 4 of the 6 were no fault to Price really 2 were D breakdowns 1 was goalie interference and one was result of circumstances.

[jennifer_rocket]

43 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

Ok I saw the highlights of the goals that I missed last night and I will say that 2 of the 4 were stoppable. However the 2 on 1 was poorly played by Mete and no one could have stopped it. Also the one from the face off was basically a 2 on 0 down low so again poor defense and Carey had no chance. The second goal was definitely goalie interference and shouldn't have counted. And the OT goal was crap all around wrong players on the ice to begin with, Lehkonen missed an open shot on net by like 3 feet, Peca tipped the puck IMO (right play so no fault to Peca) but most of all Ristolainen should have been kicked out of the game earlier. So 4 of the 6 were no fault to Price really 2 were D breakdowns 1 was goalie interference and one was result of circumstances.

I agree with most of your assessment. Although the goaltender interference call... I thought it was poor rebound control by Carey that led to the goal. The OT goal should have been stopped. Re-directed or not by Peca, that's a stoppable shot... and one that someone who is earning $15 million in salary in the first year of his new contract should make.

[maas_art]

10 hours ago, campabee82 said:

I have a theory. Maybe CJ is just simply trying to match a good player with a bad one see below.

There's no question he's done that in the past (Boston & even some evidence of it here). And i get that.  Do you play your 2 worst defensmen together or do you split them up with good defensemen? The problem of doing the former is that even though they dont get many minutes, they are a train wreck when they are on.  If you do the latter, then you limit the negative impact they can cause but you increase the amount of time you are on the ice.  

 

[Noob616]

12 hours ago, campabee82 said:

I get that and like I said I didn't see the second or most of the third was just pointing out that IT'S NOT ALL on  Carey as everyone is saying those first 2 were definitely on the D and I still say Peca tipped the OT winner. 

Peca didn't touch it. Watch from 7:49 onwards, you can see Peca's stick never gets close to the puck when Ristolainen shoots. 
 

 

[ramcharger440]

Hey at least we can score......... imagine if we had a real PP!

[campabee82]

1 hour ago, Noob616 said:

Peca didn't touch it. Watch from 7:49 onwards, you can see Peca's stick never gets close to the puck when Ristolainen shoots. 
 

 

Thanks could not find that angle and all of the ones I saw were from either behind or the side and it appeared to me that he touched it. So then it was a weak goal but all of the other circumstances of the goal are still valid. Coach never should have left our 6 best forwards on the bench, Lehkonen should have hit the net with the shot it wasn't deflected, screened no one to shoot around, Price should have challenged more, and most importantly Ristolainen should have been out of the game. And now be looking at supplemental discipline.