jennifer_rocket Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 20 hours ago, booboo_mtl said: These "trade me right f***** now" players are kind of getting old. Roslovic, Laine, Dubois, Bennett and now Mete. I don't see MB as being the type to bend any demands or requests so I'm very surprised Mete is in the line up tonight. Agreed. Mete's Vancouver post-game comments, saying he didn't want to talk about it, sounded pretty awkward. Even if he has requested a trade, I wouldn't bother dealing him. What are we gonna get back? A mid-round draft pick? We have enough of those already. Practice with the team, wait your turn, and you will play when someone is injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted February 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 52 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said: Agreed. Mete's Vancouver post-game comments, saying he didn't want to talk about it, sounded pretty awkward. Even if he has requested a trade, I wouldn't bother dealing him. What are we gonna get back? A mid-round draft pick? We have enough of those already. Practice with the team, wait your turn, and you will play when someone is injured. There's no way i would trade away this depth at the moment unless it's an upgrade on what we have. He can sit and wait his turn as far as i'm concerned. He's under contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electron58 Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said: Agreed. Mete's Vancouver post-game comments, saying he didn't want to talk about it, sounded pretty awkward. Even if he has requested a trade, I wouldn't bother dealing him. What are we gonna get back? A mid-round draft pick? We have enough of those already. Practice with the team, wait your turn, and you will play when someone is injured. This pretty well confirms the obvious. Mete did infact ask for a trade. He had his chance to deny it, and he did not. We would have to get a player back, at least his equal. Probably a defenseman, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 2 hours ago, H_T_L said: There's no way i would trade away this depth at the moment unless it's an upgrade on what we have. He can sit and wait his turn as far as i'm concerned. He's under contract. Agreed. He's getting paid. He can work hard in practice and wait for his chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booboo_mtl Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 3 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said: Agreed. Mete's Vancouver post-game comments, saying he didn't want to talk about it, sounded pretty awkward. Even if he has requested a trade, I wouldn't bother dealing him. What are we gonna get back? A mid-round draft pick? We have enough of those already. Practice with the team, wait your turn, and you will play when someone is injured. Extremely awkward. I didn't see the game but the highlights I did see sure made him look out of place. Value must have dropped some after that viewing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted February 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 54 minutes ago, booboo_mtl said: Extremely awkward. I didn't see the game but the highlights I did see sure made him look out of place. Value must have dropped some after that viewing I didn't think he was horrible. The first goal was a result of an odd man rush ( I think Romanov was pinching ). The second goal, he did lose his man, but other then that i thought he played an OK game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted February 2, 2021 Report Share Posted February 2, 2021 4 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said: Mete's Vancouver post-game comments, saying he didn't want to talk about it, sounded pretty awkward. in fairness, Mete always sounds pretty awkward on camera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 Never been much of a Mete fan he was a breath of fresh air when he first arrived because we had no Lhd to speak of now that we have guys who can play he should be gone in my view he is a spare part the fact that we are talking about him makes him a liability. if we get another Dman fine if we don't fine we have some young guys who can take up the slackof our #7 Dman! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreegking Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 He should ask for a trade. I would. Good for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26NCounting Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 I know we are winning and very happy for our team don't get me wrong BUT........ Is it just me or does PD look absolutely lost out there? I wouldn't even say he is playing his usual outstanding D game, it's not like he is hindering the team and maybe everyone else is playing so well his mistakes are just standing out more. But I will say it again I would certainly look at moving him and sliding Evans into his spot. Also with regards to Mete, man he is trying too hard and it's causing him to make a lot of little mistakes. I get he wants to be in the line up but he needs to sit back and make the best of his opportunities. Last night he was running around like a lost puppy dog in his own end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 5 hours ago, 26NCounting said: Is it just me or does PD look absolutely lost out there? I wouldn't even say he is playing his usual outstanding D game, it's not like he is hindering the team and maybe everyone else is playing so well his mistakes are just standing out more. But I will say it again I would certainly look at moving him and sliding Evans into his spot. Yeah i agree. I dont remember ever seeing him look like this. Even when he was first called up I remember thinking "wow this guy just knows where to be" but this year, so far, his positioning has been terrible and when he is in a position to make a play he seems to bobble or misplay everything. its very odd. Hopefully he's just having a temporary thing & will be back to normal soon because right now he's not looking like the player we all know. I would have said before that Evans wasnt ready to take over for PD but right now? Evans looks like PD did when he first broke into the league and PD looks like... i dont know what. 5 hours ago, 26NCounting said: Also with regards to Mete, man he is trying too hard and it's causing him to make a lot of little mistakes. I get he wants to be in the line up but he needs to sit back and make the best of his opportunities. Last night he was running around like a lost puppy dog in his own end I know MB said that Mete didnt ask for a trade and that he's not trading him but honestly right now i think it might not be the worst idea, assuming we can get a decent player or pick back for him. He needs a reset and there's just no real place for him on the lineup. I dont mind having him as a reserve but you need to be able to step in & play well (like Kulak) not try too much. Reminds me a lot of how Hudon used to play when called up. "Just keep it simple!" id scream at the tv but Hudon (understandably) wanted to impress & ended up doing too much. Mete seems to be heading down that road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramcharger440 Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, maas_art said: Yeah i agree. I dont remember ever seeing him look like this. Even when he was first called up I remember thinking "wow this guy just knows where to be" but this year, so far, his positioning has been terrible and when he is in a position to make a play he seems to bobble or misplay everything. its very odd. Hopefully he's just having a temporary thing & will be back to normal soon because right now he's not looking like the player we all know. I would have said before that Evans wasnt ready to take over for PD but right now? Evans looks like PD did when he first broke into the league and PD looks like... i dont know what. I know MB said that Mete didnt ask for a trade and that he's not trading him but honestly right now i think it might not be the worst idea, assuming we can get a decent player or pick back for him. He needs a reset and there's just no real place for him on the lineup. I dont mind having him as a reserve but you need to be able to step in & play well (like Kulak) not try too much. Reminds me a lot of how Hudon used to play when called up. "Just keep it simple!" id scream at the tv but Hudon (understandably) wanted to impress & ended up doing too much. Mete seems to be heading down that road. Yep i agree with all of this. both of these players are vets no excuse for the way they are playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsisme Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 25 minutes ago, maas_art said: Yeah i agree. I dont remember ever seeing him look like this. Even when he was first called up I remember thinking "wow this guy just knows where to be" but this year, so far, his positioning has been terrible and when he is in a position to make a play he seems to bobble or misplay everything. its very odd. Hopefully he's just having a temporary thing & will be back to normal soon because right now he's not looking like the player we all know. I would have said before that Evans wasnt ready to take over for PD but right now? Evans looks like PD did when he first broke into the league and PD looks like... i dont know what. I'm just glad he rejected the contract offer we made. I hope that's not still on the table Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 I haven't noticed anything wrong with Danault's game so far. He's just slumping. I'm sure he will rebound and have a stellar season for us. I do think he made a mistake not accepting Bergevin's supposed extension offer... And I guess time will tell how things work out for Danault on his next contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 1 hour ago, habsisme said: I'm just glad he rejected the contract offer we made. I hope that's not still on the table Danault's playing badly right now, although I will say I thought he was better last game (getting to the net more, getting some high-danger chances, etc.). That said, I don't think he's as bad as he's been playing and I still see value in him as a middle-6 center. I also think he still has substantial trade value (if you were to deal him to a contender at the deadline, I think you would easily get a 1st rounder a a blue chip prospect, as GM's love two-way centers and many view him in as a poor man's Patrice Bergeron or Ryan O'Reilly). For this season, he's a guy you get on cheap contract that you can easily tuck under the cap at the deadline and he's young enough that you can look at extending him and keeping him around. So I think the market will be there, and it's the same reasons MB probably wants to keep him. We're looking at a guy a lot like Lars Eller was at the time he got traded, with Danault maybe having a bit more offensive upside but less strength/size than Eller. Eller has been remarkably valuable for Washington and any team getting Danault would also get good value for several years. So in my view, now is absolutely the time to go back to Danault and try to negotiate with him while he's questioning his own value a bit. Doesn't mean you're going to be able to significantly undercut him, but I think he might see a 5M AAV as a decent compromise and that he's really not performing consistently despite keeping his favored linemates... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maas_art Posted February 3, 2021 Report Share Posted February 3, 2021 49 minutes ago, BigTed3 said: Danault's playing badly right now, although I will say I thought he was better last game (getting to the net more, getting some high-danger chances, etc.). That said, I don't think he's as bad as he's been playing and I still see value in him as a middle-6 center. I also think he still has substantial trade value (if you were to deal him to a contender at the deadline, I think you would easily get a 1st rounder a a blue chip prospect, as GM's love two-way centers and many view him in as a poor man's Patrice Bergeron or Ryan O'Reilly). For this season, he's a guy you get on cheap contract that you can easily tuck under the cap at the deadline and he's young enough that you can look at extending him and keeping him around. So I think the market will be there, and it's the same reasons MB probably wants to keep him. We're looking at a guy a lot like Lars Eller was at the time he got traded, with Danault maybe having a bit more offensive upside but less strength/size than Eller. Eller has been remarkably valuable for Washington and any team getting Danault would also get good value for several years. So in my view, now is absolutely the time to go back to Danault and try to negotiate with him while he's questioning his own value a bit. Doesn't mean you're going to be able to significantly undercut him, but I think he might see a 5M AAV as a decent compromise and that he's really not performing consistently despite keeping his favored linemates... This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HabsAlways Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 5 hours ago, BigTed3 said: So in my view, now is absolutely the time to go back to Danault and try to negotiate with him while he's questioning his own value a bit. Doesn't mean you're going to be able to significantly undercut him, but I think he might see a 5M AAV as a decent compromise and that he's really not performing consistently despite keeping his favored linemates... I think there's a bit of ego on Danault's part that the media kept pushing the story that he was the next Bergeron ... and defensively he might be as good, but offensively he's never going to a PPG player. So unless that ego has been burst, I don't think he signs for less than 6M AAV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booboo_mtl Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 51 minutes ago, HabsAlways said: I think there's a bit of ego on Danault's part that the media kept pushing the story that he was the next Bergeron ... and defensively he might be as good, but offensively he's never going to a PPG player. So unless that ego has been burst, I don't think he signs for less than 6M AAV. Personally, I don’t foresee any team paying him 6M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsisme Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 30 minutes ago, booboo_mtl said: Personally, I don’t foresee any team paying him 6M. I'm not sure we should sign hm for 5 either though. How much do we have to pay KK then and Suzuki next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARBORSPORT Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 my 2 cents......I'm not a big fan of Phil, imo he shouldn't be our #1 center......for the kind of $$ he wants??...he better start looking elsewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electron58 Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 hours ago, BigTed3 said: Danault's playing badly right now, although I will say I thought he was better last game (getting to the net more, getting some high-danger chances, etc.). That said, I don't think he's as bad as he's been playing and I still see value in him as a middle-6 center. I also think he still has substantial trade value (if you were to deal him to a contender at the deadline, I think you would easily get a 1st rounder a a blue chip prospect, as GM's love two-way centers and many view him in as a poor man's Patrice Bergeron or Ryan O'Reilly). For this season, he's a guy you get on cheap contract that you can easily tuck under the cap at the deadline and he's young enough that you can look at extending him and keeping him around. So I think the market will be there, and it's the same reasons MB probably wants to keep him. We're looking at a guy a lot like Lars Eller was at the time he got traded, with Danault maybe having a bit more offensive upside but less strength/size than Eller. Eller has been remarkably valuable for Washington and any team getting Danault would also get good value for several years. So in my view, now is absolutely the time to go back to Danault and try to negotiate with him while he's questioning his own value a bit. Doesn't mean you're going to be able to significantly undercut him, but I think he might see a 5M AAV as a decent compromise and that he's really not performing consistently despite keeping his favored linemates... That ship has sailed. I would not offer PD any more than $4M and no NMC. Thus, I believe that PD will take his chances on the open market, and lose. He definitely has not shown anything in the first 10 games, to warrant any more $. If Bergy can find the right fit, I say make the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electron58 Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 2 hours ago, booboo_mtl said: Personally, I don’t foresee any team paying him 6M. Definitely not. Look, we got Toffoli on a deal. Any other year, And Tofu gets $5M+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
electron58 Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 9 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said: I haven't noticed anything wrong with Danault's game so far. He's just slumping. I'm sure he will rebound and have a stellar season for us. I do think he made a mistake not accepting Bergevin's supposed extension offer... And I guess time will tell how things work out for Danault on his next contract. I believe that PD has been slumping because of bad on ice decisions. That contract has to be weighing in the back of his mind. He's #3 on the C depth chart, and honestly, and I've always spoken highly of Jake Evans, I'd be OK with JE replacing PD and bringing Poehling onto the 4rth line. I know that leaves us with little experience at the C position, but that's not taking into account, what we get for PD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windoe Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 Some talk about Getzlaf out there as a Habs playoff rental target with Perry: Tatar-Danault-Gallagher Drouin-Suzuki-Anderson Toffoli-Getzlaf-Perry Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi-Armia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsisme Posted February 4, 2021 Report Share Posted February 4, 2021 35 minutes ago, Windoe said: Some talk about Getzlaf out there as a Habs playoff rental target with Perry: Tatar-Danault-Gallagher Drouin-Suzuki-Anderson Toffoli-Getzlaf-Perry Lehkonen-Kotkaniemi-Armia I heard that too but barring injury, we already have a very good line up and we don't have the cap space to bring in anyone. Already we have Poehling, Perry, and Frolik on the taxi squad when no one is injured. It's clear to me that Perry has earned a spot on the line up but I don't see who we can sit to give him a spot. The only deadline deals I can envision is for defensive depth where salary is retained. I don't expect much movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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