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We did start this off with the whole team playing better 'team' defense. It seems whenever we start winning and especially putting up goals we start to loosen up defensively. It's probably a little human nature to want to open up and score (more fun to play). That's understandable. I've definitely noticed that when we play a better "team" defense meaning the forwards are playing deeper in our own zone helping out the d and giving outs for quick short in zone passes one ,then two quick passes then move up the ice we win games and look really good doing it. It seems though after winning a couple and scoring more the team (forwards mostly ) start to stretch the zone leaving or moving up ice to quickly and the d having to try to stretch the passes more we have missed passes more icings more breakdowns and give away. When our forwards play to high in the zone the other teams d piches and we aren't able to clear our zone. The d need to have outlets and support when the other teams are pressing and forecheck hard.   

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4 hours ago, richard464 said:

Ottawa has a real good team there. They work very hard every shift and are very well coached! Despite the fact that Mr. Price was well below average last night there were a number of other problems that came into play last night. Our defence was terrible and forwards like KK, Suzuki, Leky and Drouin were not in the game. You could tell by the very first goal that Price was not sharp. He made a few good saves during the game but the goals he let in were not great goals for a $10M/yr goalie. Allen is playing much bettert than Price right now and he should be our go to guy. Price has played this way for two years now with the exception of the bubble playoffs last year he has been less than average. Mr. Bergevin was very demonstative in the box last night and the walls are closing in on him. He was not a happy camper. Evertime we managed to tie the game his milion dollar man let in another stinker to break the momentum.

This week starts a schedule of four games per week and if last night's performance is maintained our season is over. As posted many times we never know which team is going to show up. The first four minutes short handed to start the game just set the pace for the entire game as we chased it all night. The power play could have made a difference last night but it has also fizzled out over the past three games. With the upcoming brutal schedule there is no time to sort this out as I am sure practices will be nothing more than morning skates do to the fatigue factor.

Thanks for the synopsis richard464. Even though I wanted to watch the game, it sounds like I didn't miss much. Your evaluation,  sounds spot on.

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4 hours ago, Regis22 said:

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2021/4/4/22366240/blaming-carey-price-is-the-easy-way-out-canadiens-senators-takeaways-habs

 

Blaming Carey Price is the easy way out

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The Canadiens lost a game they should have won, but it shouldn’t be on the goaltender.

this is not about blaming carey , bottom line he has been average at best, i have seen him let in more weak goals this year then all the other years put together , bottom line he is not 25/30 years old anymore. he was great at one time, sadly no longer great anymore, 

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2 hours ago, rkgoalie said:

this is not about blaming carey , bottom line he has been average at best, i have seen him let in more weak goals this year then all the other years put together , bottom line he is not 25/30 years old anymore. he was great at one time, sadly no longer great anymore, 

Right. It's not that the loss was Carey's fault. But when you're paid 10+M, you're expected to steal games. And you're expected to do that on a regular basis. Can you imagine if Crosby or McDavid or Kane were being paid 10M and all they did was play like Phil Danault and just give their team sound defensive hockey? Those guys are paid to win games and be stars. Carey can't be an average goalie, we can get that for 4M AAV. At 10.5M, we're down money against the cap that we otherwise could have used to spend on a top-pairing LHD. It's not just Carey vs. Allen, it's would you rather have Carey as your #1 goalie and Ouellet in your line-up or Allen as your #1 and a guy like Werenski playing for you?

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3 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Right. It's not that the loss was Carey's fault. But when you're paid 10+M, you're expected to steal games. And you're expected to do that on a regular basis. Can you imagine if Crosby or McDavid or Kane were being paid 10M and all they did was play like Phil Danault and just give their team sound defensive hockey? Those guys are paid to win games and be stars. Carey can't be an average goalie, we can get that for 4M AAV. At 10.5M, we're down money against the cap that we otherwise could have used to spend on a top-pairing LHD. It's not just Carey vs. Allen, it's would you rather have Carey as your #1 goalie and Ouellet in your line-up or Allen as your #1 and a guy like Werenski playing for you?

Here is the thing though, MB doesn't see our LD as a weakness. He knows he needs an upgrade sure but he doesn't see it as costing us wins. Otherwise he doesn't trade for and sign Chiarot and Edmundson to back to back 3.5 Mil deals. Instead he goes out and spends 7 Mil 9n a true top pairing LHD. Also he wouldn't have OS Aho at 8.5 Mil he would have gone after a D man there as well. My feeling is this MB either doesn't believe the LHD is costing us wins OR he believes that we only need 1 elite D man on each top 4 pairing and he thinks he has that with Weber and Petry. Hell it could even be a combination of both. So moving Price doesn't guarantee that MB gets a true top pairing D man but does guarantee that we weaken our goaltending situation.

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7 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Right. It's not that the loss was Carey's fault. But when you're paid 10+M, you're expected to steal games. And you're expected to do that on a regular basis. Can you imagine if Crosby or McDavid or Kane were being paid 10M and all they did was play like Phil Danault and just give their team sound defensive hockey? Those guys are paid to win games and be stars. Carey can't be an average goalie, we can get that for 4M AAV. At 10.5M, we're down money against the cap that we otherwise could have used to spend on a top-pairing LHD. It's not just Carey vs. Allen, it's would you rather have Carey as your #1 goalie and Ouellet in your line-up or Allen as your #1 and a guy like Werenski playing for you?

Maybe it's not Carey's fault, and rarely, is it just the goalies fault. But as you note, BigTed3, for 10+ million, the least Bergevin should get, is a consistently A+++ effort. With all the soft goals that CP lets in, it does kinda negate the herculean saves. Which I think border on luck, anyway. I think that is what Jake brings. He consistenly gives you a good chance at winning.  No highs & no lows. We don't want to overplay JA, but we don't want to overplay CP either, when he is not getting it done. And the Team shouldn't walk on egg shells, every time CP's name is brought up.

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Out of 58 goaltenders who have played more than 10 games, Carey ranks 39th in save percentage, 17th in wins, 23rd in GAA, and 18th in goals against. That's pretty darn bad for the highest paid goaltender in the league. That's... ummm... not good. Blame Carey, don't blame Carey. Whatever. He's not been good enough.

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The Canadiens announced Monday morning that defenceman Otto Leskinen has been recalled from the AHL’s Laval Rocket to join the team’s taxi squad.

In 23 games with the Rocket this season, Leskinen has 1-13-14 totals and is plus-13. The undrafted 24-year-old from Finland signed with the Canadiens as a free agent on May 7, 2019. 

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5 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Out of 58 goaltenders who have played more than 10 games, Carey ranks 39th in save percentage, 17th in wins, 23rd in GAA, and 18th in goals against. That's pretty darn bad for the highest paid goaltender in the league. That's... ummm... not good. Blame Carey, don't blame Carey. Whatever. He's not been good enough.

Good research.  jennifer_rocket. I figured someone would dig up the stats. It's not favouring Carey, that's for sure. So,  what does CP bring? Intangibles? Well, they better be pretty good, although, it really does look like we CAN back into the playoffs. I'm thinking it's probably Ottawa we have to worry about. Do they have enough time,  though?

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56 minutes ago, electron58 said:

Good research.  jennifer_rocket. I figured someone would dig up the stats. It's not favouring Carey, that's for sure. So,  what does CP bring? Intangibles? Well, they better be pretty good, although, it really does look like we CAN back into the playoffs. I'm thinking it's probably Ottawa we have to worry about. Do they have enough time,  though?

Ottawa would need to play 800 hockey the rest of the way and hope we don't do much better then 500. Safe bet that they're toast

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52 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

Ottawa would need to play 800 hockey the rest of the way and hope we don't do much better then 500. Safe bet that they're toast

Because they won't play 800? or we won't play 500? If we play 500, we back in. But, they play us a few more times. And we don't play Vancouver,  any more. Although,  maybe nobody does.  I 'll try to be optimistic. 

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7 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Out of 58 goaltenders who have played more than 10 games, Carey ranks 39th in save percentage, 17th in wins, 23rd in GAA, and 18th in goals against. That's pretty darn bad for the highest paid goaltender in the league. That's... ummm... not good. Blame Carey, don't blame Carey. Whatever. He's not been good enough.

10 games includes a lot of 1B goalies and backups. If you search for goalies with over 20 GP you will see Carey's Sv% is 18th out of 27 (mid pack) with a .902 and GAA is 10th with a 2.70. while these numbers are not great he is still beating the likes of Demko, Jarry, Binnington, Anderson, Blackwood, Markstrom, Gibson and Greiss in GAA and Markstrom, Gibson, Anderson and Greiss in Sv%. 

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3 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

10 games includes a lot of 1B goalies and backups. If you search for goalies with over 20 GP you will see Carey's Sv% is 18th out of 27 (mid pack) with a .902 and GAA is 10th with a 2.70. while these numbers are not great he is still beating the likes of Demko, Jarry, Binnington, Anderson, Blackwood, Markstrom, Gibson and Greiss in GAA and Markstrom, Gibson, Anderson and Greiss in Sv%. 

Looking at that goalie list, most of them play on weaker teams.  When those teams were better, their percentages were also better. We believe, that CP is playing on a better team. Or is he?

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2 minutes ago, electron58 said:

Looking at that goalie list, most of them play on weaker teams.  When those teams were better, their percentages were also better. We believe, that CP is playing on a better team. Or is he?

Freddie Anderson ins not playing on a weaker team and while others on the list are on weaker teams Montreal is not a strong team by any stretch of the imagination. We are a middle of the pack team as well so Prices numbers are actually better or on par with how the team is playing.

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10 hours ago, jennifer_rocket said:

Out of 58 goaltenders who have played more than 10 games, Carey ranks 39th in save percentage, 17th in wins, 23rd in GAA, and 18th in goals against. That's pretty darn bad for the highest paid goaltender in the league. That's... ummm... not good. Blame Carey, don't blame Carey. Whatever. He's not been good enough.

And if Price were making 3.5M a year, that'd be acceptable. But when you're making 10+M, it's not only what you are or are not bringing to the table, it's what else the team can't afford to fit under the cap. If Price were making 3.5M, we could afford another 8M player instead of having Price at 10.5M and a bottom-feeder at 1M.

Every team has 2 goalies and 4 centers. If Price is 39th in save percentage, then it means 62% of goalies are doing better than him. If we used that same framework and applied it to centers, it would be like saying Crosby or McDavid were the 78th best centers in the game (ie playing at the level of a middle-of-the-pack 3rd liner). Essentially, imagine we were paying Philip Danault 10.5M a season and then ask if Danault was under-performing. That's what Price is giving us this season. He's being paid as the #1 goalie in the league and he's giving us the equivalent of a struggling 3rd line center. It doesn't really matter whether others are doing their jobs or not, the point is that Price at 10.5M needs to be making up for other holes in your line-up and he isn't.

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4 hours ago, electron58 said:

Because they won't play 800? or we won't play 500? If we play 500, we back in. But, they play us a few more times. And we don't play Vancouver,  any more. Although,  maybe nobody does.  I 'll try to be optimistic. 

Another nail in their coffin tonight. Maybe they can catch the Oilers.:ph34r:

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NIce comeback tonight. Big game from Byron, Staal Perry and Anderson. Tough to critique Bergevin's moves right now. As for Carey, he needs to stand up when it counts and his playoff performance will say a lot about how quickly Primeau becomes part of the solution. Amazing how bad we can look against the Sens and how good we can look tonight. Including Petry who had a nice bounce back game. 

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7 hours ago, electron58 said:

Ducharme says Carey Price is getting checked out. "We don't think it's anything serious, but he's getting checked out."

Did anybody notice anything?

He looked a little uncomfortable late but thats about it.

According to the Habs' twitter feed, Price is not going to Toronto - Lindgren will backup Allen and Primeau will go on the taxi squad.

If you believe HEOTP, it might just be a minor issue they want to let him heal up:

"It is likely that with another game at home on Thursday that the Canadiens are allowing Price to rest before starting the next game and avoid the back-to-back with travel."

 

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4 minutes ago, maas_art said:

He looked a little uncomfortable late but thats about it.

According to the Habs' twitter feed, Price is not going to Toronto - Lindgren will backup Allen and Primeau will go on the taxi squad.

If you believe HEOTP, it might just be a minor issue they want to let him heal up:

"It is likely that with another game at home on Thursday that the Canadiens are allowing Price to rest before starting the next game and avoid the back-to-back with travel."

 

May have aggravated something when he slid across the net with that 2 pad stack.

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

He looked a little uncomfortable late but thats about it.

According to the Habs' twitter feed, Price is not going to Toronto - Lindgren will backup Allen and Primeau will go on the taxi squad.

If you believe HEOTP, it might just be a minor issue they want to let him heal up:

"It is likely that with another game at home on Thursday that the Canadiens are allowing Price to rest before starting the next game and avoid the back-to-back with travel."

 

He did leave practice early yesterday or Sunday as well but not sure that has anything to do with it. Hope it is not a groin pull as they take a long time to heal.

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