kinot-2 Posted March 14, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, kinot-2 said: No goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 No goal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Kicked in. No goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, BigTed3 said: If MB wanted to build around Weber/Price, he needed to have committed to a better core 3 years ago. Now, Weber looks washed up and Price is far from being the star he once was. You can't build around them any more, it's too late. Indeed. But as long as MB is GM, he'll keep trying to build around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Drop back pass with no goalie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARBORSPORT Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, H_T_L said: Drop back pass with no goalie. really smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Doesn't get any easier with the Jets up next. Night guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Well. Losing 5/6 periods (I suppose I'll call this period a draw) against Calgary is pretty embarrassing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 At least Winnipeg is gonna win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARBORSPORT Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 huge sucking sound coming from my tv................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Just now, jennifer_rocket said: At least Winnipeg is gonna win. Don't count the refs out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, jennifer_rocket said: At least Winnipeg is gonna win. Now it's pretty much done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, H_T_L said: Don't count the refs out yet. The refs just gave Toronto a bench minor to give Winnipeg a 5-on-3 PP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_T_L Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Just now, jennifer_rocket said: The refs just gave Toronto a bench minor to give Winnipeg a 5-on-3 PP! Rare sight seeing the Leafs down 2 guys. Haven't seen that in ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennifer_rocket Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 minute ago, H_T_L said: Rare sight seeing the Leafs down 2 guys. Haven't seen that in ages. I don't think NHL officials are biased against any team, I just think they're generally bad at their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCAF48 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, jennifer_rocket said: I don't think NHL officials are biased against any team, I just think they're generally bad at their job. Based on tonight's play a lot of our players are qualified to be NHL refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARBORSPORT Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 14 minutes ago, RCAF48 said: Based on tonight's play a lot of our players are qualified to be NHL refs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard464 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 46 minutes ago, BigTed3 said: Habs have played terrible. That said, refs missed an automatic high stick that JK took to face in the 2nd, another one Danault took in the 3rd, and then the no call when Suzuki got leveled from behind that should have been a major. That's 9 minutes of PP time we didn't get for automatic/obvious penalties. Doesn't take into account the inconsistencies on missed calls on both teams for other things. But I have to believe momentum and potentially the score would be drastically different with 9 minutes of additional PP time for us... a lot of people will say we can't blame the refs when Habs play poorly, but teams play poorly and win all the time. It makes a difference in the standings at the end of the day. There must be a better word than "terrible" to describe this exhibition tonight & Thurs! The comment re the penalties is accurate however tonight that would not have made a difference. We played the last 3:20 of the game 6 on 5 and we had 3 shots on net? I wonder which plane the team that played in Vancouver last Sat got on? It sure as hell wasn't the one that landed in Calgary! Price was in a shooting gallery tonight and if it wasn't for him the score would have been double what it was. We talk a lot about the poor play of Weber & Chiarot. What about Suzuki, Danault, Lekonen, Kulak, Armia, Mete,even Gallagher was brutal tonight. These guys could not complete two passes in a row tonight! Well next up is the Jets and they showed everyone just how much better they are than the Leafs tonight. They are destined for the top spot in this division. Much better team than Toronto. DD will not be the coach next season and Molson has to provide a bus ticket for MB. DD is too soft. We need a Sutter type coach that expects nothing but the best from everyone on the bench every night. I was thinking we need some healthy scratches but who would we replace them with? This team is lost right now. Who knows maybe the plane with the team that left Vancouver will show up in Winny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiLla Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 Simply not good enough. Still wondering why I keep watching mediocre hockey in the middle of the night. Even after all those moves we're still a middling team that probably qualifies for the playoffs, yet has no real chance at winning anything meaningful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caperns61 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 12 hours ago, BigTed3 said: The PP is clearly better. Price has been better, albeit I don't think that has anything to do with coaching. I think in general we have played a touch better than just before Julien got fired but clearly not as well as the start of the season when we were dominating nightly. I think it comes down as usual to the fact our defence corps is brutal. We have Petry and we have some depth parts. Chiarot is 3rd pairing. Edmundson 3rd pairing. Kulak 3rd pairing. Mete not NHL-worthy. Romanov learning but ideally 3rd pairing for now. Weber has played like he should be on the 3rd pairing too. Not sure it matters who the coach is when your GM doesn't give you the puck-moving top 4 D men you need to win games. You keep alluding to this. But that is not really the answer, it would help. The problem is still down the middle. Danualt, has been a dud this year. He is just a good 3rd line centerman. Suzuki looks like he has fallen of the cliff, actually over the last number of games it looks like he is too slow for the game. KK, I love him but still chasing the game. Looks good on the faceoff recently Right now based on goals scored at the NHL level: Suzuki % over 82 games is 15 goals. base on 98 NHL games JK % over 82 games is 12 goals, based on 148 NHL games Danualt % over 82 games is 12 goals last 3 seasons, 231 games. JK and Suzuki are still young so there is hope for them. As much as we look better down the middle in a long time. We are still struggling at that position. 9 goals from our 3 centerman this year, near impossible to win games with that type of production, This team struggles are not about because of a puck moving deeman. We have of one of the best in the game this season in Petry. We are still stuggling because we are still not good enough up the middle. Ask teams like Vancouver Hughes, Nashville Josi, Columbus Werenski, San Josa, Brent Burns, Karlson, Ottawa Chabot, Buffalo Dahlin, Arisona, OE-Larsonn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTed3 Posted March 14, 2021 Report Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, caperns61 said: You keep alluding to this. But that is not really the answer, it would help. The problem is still down the middle. Danualt, has been a dud this year. He is just a good 3rd line centerman. Suzuki looks like he has fallen of the cliff, actually over the last number of games it looks like he is too slow for the game. KK, I love him but still chasing the game. Looks good on the faceoff recently Right now based on goals scored at the NHL level: Suzuki % over 82 games is 15 goals. base on 98 NHL games JK % over 82 games is 12 goals, based on 148 NHL games Danualt % over 82 games is 12 goals last 3 seasons, 231 games. JK and Suzuki are still young so there is hope for them. As much as we look better down the middle in a long time. We are still struggling at that position. 9 goals from our 3 centerman this year, near impossible to win games with that type of production, This team struggles are not about because of a puck moving deeman. We have of one of the best in the game this season in Petry. We are still stuggling because we are still not good enough up the middle. Ask teams like Vancouver Hughes, Nashville Josi, Columbus Werenski, San Josa, Brent Burns, Karlson, Ottawa Chabot, Buffalo Dahlin, Arisona, OE-Larsonn I agree with you. I wrote about the same thing in the State of the Habs thread this morning. The Habs need help at LHD but they also need help at center and at RHD. I think there are too many holes for MB to fill and win with the existing core. The difference between C and LHD is that we have two guys in Suzuki and Kotkaniemi who are already here and can potentially be better and solve the issue in the next 1-2 years. At LHD, the only guy here is Romanov. The rest of our prospect pool (Norlinder, Guhle, Harris, Struble, etc.) is still several years away from having any type of impact. It's fine if MB wants to say his window to win now is gone and that we need to be patient and wait for those players, but clearly Suzuki and JK are not ready to lead a team to win now and clearly the left side of our D is a huge weakness. We just don't have the horses at positions we were supposed to be strong at (goalie, RHD, winger) to carry the deficiencies seen elsewhere. I do still think Suzuki or Kotkaniemi or both can end up being 70-80 point players, but they're not there yet. They may or may not get there. I still think we can win a Cup with those two as our top centers down the line, but we would need to be significantly improved elsewhere to make that happen. I don't think we can win with our current D corps. I think even if you traded a package involving one of Suzuki or Kotkaniemi to acquire Eichel or Malkin or Monahan or so on, we wouldn't be good enough to win. But I think if you acquired a Werenski, it fixes a lot more problems in the line-up. There's less stress and wear and tear on Weber and Petry. There's less demand for Kulak, Chiarot, or Romanov to be playing above their heads. There's less pressure on the goalies. There's no need to play Mete. There are better breakouts and chances created for your forwards. The PP works better. And a D man like Werenski is on the ice for 25+ minutes a night. Even if we had gone out to get a Noah Dobson or Jake Bean or Matt Dumba a couple of years ago, we'd be better off today trying to fill out our D corps. I've said this many times that I didn't think we could win right away without trading futures to better our line-up if we were building around the likes of Weber and Price; and if we didn't think we were a realistic contender, then we should have moved on from our veterans 2-3 years ago while they had more value. Price and Weber 3 years ago would have fetched you top young players like Byram or Timmins from Colorado, Bean or Necar from Carolina, Thomas or Dunn from St. Louis, or so on. Those ships have all sailed, and I'm not sure Price or Weber get you that quality of youngster any more. So it brings us back to the same question: can the Habs win now with their current roster? And I don't mean just win enough to make the playoffs, I mean are they a top 5 team in the league with realistic aspirations of a Cup? The answer is no. The next question is what they need to add to make themselves a legit contender, and I think the answer is that if they want to win in the next 2 years, they need a top-pairing PMD for the left side of the D AND they need an elite center AND they need some help at right D. Is that realistic for Bergevin to go out and get? I think the answer is no. If you want to add an Eichel and a Werenski and a Dumba to your line-up, for example, I think it's costing you pretty much all of Suzuki, Guhle, Norlinder, Caufield, and 2-3 first rounders. That's the cost of becoming elite for the next 2-3 years. What's become more realistic is waiting to see if Suzuki and JK can up their games (and I think both will continue to get better) and seeing what Caufield and Ylonen and Harris and Norlinder bring. But that's going to take time, and it makes no sense hanging on to Price and Weber and Tatar waiting for those guys. MB has missed yet another window. 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