2021 NHL Draft

[CaptWelly]

3 hours ago, 26NCounting said:

The buyout was also a result of this lack of production.  I still think everyone deserves a second chance, this doesn't mean I like the pick however.  There were soo many more talented players available

Patrick Kane had acquisitions of sexual assault years ago along with other things ..........but is a star player which actually shouldn't matter  but I'm sure most any team would be happy with Kane. 

[jennifer_rocket]

On 7/26/2021 at 2:49 PM, RCAF48 said:

He hasn't even played Major junior or even junior A hockey yet. The scouting report says his edge work is poor, he makes poor decisions on the ice and his defensive positional play is atrocious......but may have potential enough to be a NHL player........doesn't sound much like a NHL top 4 D in 1 to 3 years but MB does like a bargain. 

The women in my family think he showed himself to be an immature Ahole. I agree. The culture of ignoring sexual malfeasance in hockey is disgusting, how many more years are we going to put up with this crap? In my little corner of Ontario there have been numerous incidents in the past 3 years involving coaches abusing players and players on two junior teams have been accused of abusing minor teenage girls!  Numerous coaches at the junior A level and above in Canada have abused kids for years and it was often ignored with only 4 or 5 facing charges. It even occurs at the NHL level. Sexual hazing is also still occurring but at least minor hockey is trying to put an end to it. This boy's transgression might seem minor to some but it is indicative of a much larger problem in hockey. We can't just talk about respecting others, we have to actually do it. It is not that hard. Drafting him in the first round tells me that my Hockey team does not respect their female fans.

IMO drafting this boy in the first round this year was the wrong thing to do. The NHL acted as the facilitator in doing the wrong thing and the Montreal Canadiens happily played along. Waiting a year would showed the victim that the crime was not completely ignored. It may also have helped the immature boy realize that his actions have real consequences and not given the league such a self inflicted wound. 

The people defending this draft choice are entitled to their opinion as I am to mine and while I don't agree with them I did take their views on the subject under advisement.

Love this post. Well said, RCAF.

[BigTed3]

1 hour ago, CaptWelly said:

Patrick Kane had acquisitions of sexual assault years ago along with other things ..........but is a star player which actually shouldn't matter  but I'm sure most any team would be happy with Kane. 

I don't recall off the top of my head but in this case, did the accuser end up admitting here that she made some/all of this up? Maybe I'm remembering wrong, but have this in my head that this is why the case was dropped. All that said, my personal stance is that it shouldn't matter whether you're an NHL star or a 4th liner or an everyday person. The same rules should apply.

[richard464]

On 7/26/2021 at 2:49 PM, RCAF48 said:

He hasn't even played Major junior or even junior A hockey yet. The scouting report says his edge work is poor, he makes poor decisions on the ice and his defensive positional play is atrocious......but may have potential enough to be a NHL player........doesn't sound much like a NHL top 4 D in 1 to 3 years but MB does like a bargain. 

The women in my family think he showed himself to be an immature Ahole. I agree. The culture of ignoring sexual malfeasance in hockey is disgusting, how many more years are we going to put up with this crap? In my little corner of Ontario there have been numerous incidents in the past 3 years involving coaches abusing players and players on two junior teams have been accused of abusing minor teenage girls!  Numerous coaches at the junior A level and above in Canada have abused kids for years and it was often ignored with only 4 or 5 facing charges. It even occurs at the NHL level. Sexual hazing is also still occurring but at least minor hockey is trying to put an end to it. This boy's transgression might seem minor to some but it is indicative of a much larger problem in hockey. We can't just talk about respecting others, we have to actually do it. It is not that hard. Drafting him in the first round tells me that my Hockey team does not respect their female fans.

IMO drafting this boy in the first round this year was the wrong thing to do. The NHL acted as the facilitator in doing the wrong thing and the Montreal Canadiens happily played along. Waiting a year would showed the victim that the crime was not completely ignored. It may also have helped the immature boy realize that his actions have real consequences and not given the league such a self inflicted wound. 

The people defending this draft choice are entitled to their opinion as I am to mine and while I don't agree with them I did take their views on the subject under advisement. 

 

This was a huge mistake by Bergevin. Not sure what the attraction was here for this player but the fact that MB went after him even though he pulled himself from the proceedings is a terrible decision on behalf of the franchise. Logan made the right move by removing himself and then MB shines a very negative light on the situation by drafting him? This young man made a serious mistake and will carry that on his shoulders for some time. But more importantly the young lady has been thrown into the spotlight once again by this choice. It is a tough road for any drafted player to make an NHL team.This young man will carry this situation forward with him along with the may hurdles already in place and the young lady will a major part of that. Very bad decision!

If I were Molson this would be enough for me to end all ties with Bergevin. The franchise just finished a fairy tale journey through the playoffs and in doing so picked up a lot of fans that had ignored this franchise over the years. Then this takes place and covers the franchise with a very black cloud. This young player is talented but was he worth all of the negativity and outrage now being created. I am sure from his point of view he was not in favour of this and Montreal has now put both he and the young lady into a situation they would both rather not be in. I feel sorry for both of them. He made a mistake and he has to own that by making ammends to the young lady and her family as well as his family and all those directly affected by this choice he made two years ago. He made the right choice originally and Montreal made the wrong choice!

I wish them both the best moving forward. 

[richard464]

On 7/26/2021 at 2:49 PM, RCAF48 said:

He hasn't even played Major junior or even junior A hockey yet. The scouting report says his edge work is poor, he makes poor decisions on the ice and his defensive positional play is atrocious......but may have potential enough to be a NHL player........doesn't sound much like a NHL top 4 D in 1 to 3 years but MB does like a bargain. 

The women in my family think he showed himself to be an immature Ahole. I agree. The culture of ignoring sexual malfeasance in hockey is disgusting, how many more years are we going to put up with this crap? In my little corner of Ontario there have been numerous incidents in the past 3 years involving coaches abusing players and players on two junior teams have been accused of abusing minor teenage girls!  Numerous coaches at the junior A level and above in Canada have abused kids for years and it was often ignored with only 4 or 5 facing charges. It even occurs at the NHL level. Sexual hazing is also still occurring but at least minor hockey is trying to put an end to it. This boy's transgression might seem minor to some but it is indicative of a much larger problem in hockey. We can't just talk about respecting others, we have to actually do it. It is not that hard. Drafting him in the first round tells me that my Hockey team does not respect their female fans.

IMO drafting this boy in the first round this year was the wrong thing to do. The NHL acted as the facilitator in doing the wrong thing and the Montreal Canadiens happily played along. Waiting a year would showed the victim that the crime was not completely ignored. It may also have helped the immature boy realize that his actions have real consequences and not given the league such a self inflicted wound. 

The people defending this draft choice are entitled to their opinion as I am to mine and while I don't agree with them I did take their views on the subject under advisement. 

 

Great post RCAF!!! Very well written!

[maas_art]

1 hour ago, richard464 said:

If I were Molson this would be enough for me to end all ties with Bergevin.

According to Timmins, Molson was consulted prior to the selection and gave his blessings. 

[jennifer_rocket]

24 minutes ago, maas_art said:

According to Timmins, Molson was consulted prior to the selection and gave his blessings. 

Oh, I'm sure he was. There's no way the organization makes that pick without Molson knowing in advance. I wonder if he wishes he had done things differently now. Not from any sort of altruistic perspective, but from a business one.

[CaptWelly]

19 minutes ago, maas_art said:

According to Timmins, Molson was consulted prior to the selection and gave his blessings. 

Unfortunately "sexting" is very common place today. If anyone really thinks that pictures that are shared between two consenting individuals aren't shown to their friends then they're just being naïve. Yes it was wrong absolutely and it was a mistake. Male and female have both done similar things at spring break and parties and dares. We now live in the age of cell phone cameras and video monitors everywhere. He didn't attack someone. In Europe they have nudity in some of the local news papers also and kids drink at an early age. Non accepted here in north America of course. I'm not condoning what he did. Should his life be changed forever for a mistake as a kid? Not given another chance? I will 100% say I'm glad we didn't have cell phones when I grew up and people weren't so judgmental.  

[BigTed3]

Molson says they will not invite Mailloux to rookie camp or training camp any more and that he will have to earn his spot in the organization by improving as a human... sounds like he's spewing crap to try and wash over a PR nightmare. If they really felt this way, they wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

[BigTed3]

2 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Molson says they will not invite Mailloux to rookie camp or training camp any more and that he will have to earn his spot in the organization by improving as a human... sounds like he's spewing crap to try and wash over a PR nightmare. If they really felt this way, they wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

GM already getting torn up on social media for releasing this right as free agency starts as well. Very clear attempt from Mtl to try and bury this news among everything else going on. Zero sign they actually care about what they did. Simply an attempt to brush everything under the rug.

[Regis22]

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2021/07/multiple-teams-pissed-off-at-canadiens.html

Multiple Teams ?*???? Off at Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin

The Seattle Kraken expansion draft isn't a fan favorite for everyone and one executive who is apparently making a mockery of the process is Montreal Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin. Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet is reporting teams across the league are pissed off at Bergevin over his handling of the Shea Weber and Carey Price injury news.

To this point, Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin has not commented on either Price’s situation or Shea Weber’s. That’s not unusual for him. In my experience, when asked about injuries, Bergevin won’t comment until he has clarity, and he prefers to do it in either a media conference or on the Canadiens’ social platforms. It’s happened a few times, and he’s consistent with that. However, the Kraken have to submit their picks by Wednesday morning, to be revealed that night. (If it’s true some of the players are going to be unveiled by disembarking from float planes, I can’t wait to see it.) Price is not expected to see doctors until after that deadline.

Because Seattle is supposed to get a full medical picture of all exposed players, this isn’t going over well. Other teams are boiling, complaining the Canadiens are using Price and Weber to make a mockery of the expansion process. - Elliotte Friedman, Sportsnet

 

Bergevin is rather mum when it comes to his player's injuries, and that's ok. But given all teams are supposed to be handing over medical records of players who the Kraken are interested in; these two aren't slated for medical attention until after the deadline. 

A cheeky move from a very savvy, well dressed executive who doesn't give two ????? about the Kraken. And you know what, that's ok.

[Regis22]

Molsons Letter

 

MONTREAL - Canadiens Owner, President and CEO, Geoff Molson, has issued the following letter on the team's decision to draft Logan Mailloux.

Message to everyone impacted by our decision:

I want to share with you my perspective on our decision to select Logan Mailloux in the 2021 NHL Draft. This decision, made in the context of the Draft, turned out to be instantaneously very offensive to many of you.

I understand that you expect more from us and we let you down. The Montreal Canadiens are more than a hockey team. Logan's actions do not reflect the values of our organization and I apologize for the pain this selection has caused. 

First and foremost, regarding the young woman who is the victim, I want to say that we do not minimize what she has had to, and continues to have to, live through. No one, especially not an 18-year-old, should have to suffer through a traumatic experience like this. We are there to support her and her family and respect their privacy.

Our selection of Logan was never intended to be disrespectful towards her or her family, or more generally towards women or other victims of similar situations. Our decision was not intended, in any shape or form, to be an endorsement of the culture of violence against women.  

Logan is a young man who committed a serious transgression. He is genuinely remorseful about the pain he has caused. He is committed to becoming a better person and we will work with him through this process.  

At this stage, it is only our actions that will speak louder than our words.

1. Over the course of the next few months, we will develop in conjunction with local experts, a comprehensive plan to raise awareness and educate young men and young women about this serious issue. We will use our platform and our resources to turn a decision that hurt many people into one that brings meaningful and impactful change.

2. We will support and oversee Logan's commitment to becoming a better person.

3. We have asked Logan not to participate in our rookie or main training camp this fall. Being a player in the NHL is a privilege that is earned - not a right that is granted. As the year progresses, we will reassess Logan's readiness to be part of our organization.

We gave Logan a second chance but in doing so, we failed to properly assess the impact of our decision on the victim and on anyone who have suffered in similar circumstances. Once again, I want to apologize to everyone impacted by our decision. 

I repeat, our actions will speak louder than our words. We will work to continue proving we are an organization this community and our fans can be proud of. 

Lastly, I want to thank everyone that provided their feedback on this situation, including our partners and sponsors, so that this mistake becomes an opportunity to grow and raise awareness. 

Geoff Molson
Owner, President and Chief Executive Officer
Groupe CH

[H_T_L]

Full out damage control by Molson. Just about every fan out there knew this was a problem choice, but for whatever reason, it just went over the heads of Hab management. Mind boggling how they could have so badly misread the situation. Who's running this show??

[ChiLla]

6 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

Full out damage control by Molson. Just about every fan out there knew this was a problem choice, but for whatever reason, it just went over the heads of Hab management. Mind boggling how they could have so badly misread the situation. Who's running this show??

Pitiful that evidently no one involved in the decision was able to see the potential repercussions in this day and age.

[arpem-can]

3 hours ago, Regis22 said:

Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet is reporting teams across the league are pissed off at Bergevin over his handling of the Shea Weber and Carey Price injury news.

where were the pissed-off teams across the league when Tampa was 18 mill over the cap and then reactivated when the play-offs started ?

[Windoe]

Pretty sure this is our D for the regular season:

Edmundson-Petry
Chiarot-Savard
Romanov-Wideman/Kulak

and IF, big IF, we make the playoffs, our D for the playoffs will be:

Romanov-Weber
Edmundson-Petry
Chiarot-Savard

[Windoe]

Right now we've got 13.3m open in cap, and after signing Lehks and KK we'll still have a nice big chunk of cap available.

I think plan #1 is an Eichel trade after the UFA period settles down and the market softens Buffalo's asking price.

Eichel helps us make the playoffs, then we bring a healthy Weber back in for another playoff run and we learn just how important Danault was or was not.

  

[kinot-2]

1 hour ago, ChiLla said:

Pitiful that evidently no one involved in the decision was able to see the potential repercussions in this day and age.

There should be a poll up to see if members agree with MB's draft choice or not. 

I, for one, agree with his choice. It's not like the kid will be playing for the Habs in the next 2 years or so. He could turn out to be a flop, or he could turn out to be very good. 

[BigTed3]

2 hours ago, ChiLla said:

Pitiful that evidently no one involved in the decision was able to see the potential repercussions in this day and age.

But then you look today and see Carolina sign Deangelo AFTER seeing the wrath the Habs got for their draft pick.

1. Why is no one making a bigger deal out of this move too?

2. Deangelo is probably a bigger scumbag and yet still got a job right away after being released. So does no one in the league have any morals?

[ramcharger440]

Just now, BigTed3 said:

But then you look today and see Carolina sign Deangelo AFTER seeing the wrath the Habs got for their draft pick.

1. Why is no one making a bigger deal out of this move too?

2. Deangelo is probably a bigger scumbag and yet still got a job right away after being released. So does no one in the league have any morals?

The mob is unhappy part of being a Habs fan!

[Regis22]

3 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

So does no one in the league have any morals?

That is professional sports for you . 
The most important thing for teams is if thst player can help them win then they overlook the indescretions 

[Manatee-X]

5 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Molson says they will not invite Mailloux to rookie camp or training camp any more and that he will have to earn his spot in the organization by improving as a human... sounds like he's spewing crap to try and wash over a PR nightmare. If they really felt this way, they wouldn't have drafted him in the first place.

Yeah, they're just dropping ball after ball on this one.

They made a bad choice in terms of human decency when they drafted him.  Now they're adding to it by making a bad hockey choice by supposedly keeping him from training camp.  And the usefulness that we're getting out of our first round draft pick is... what exactly?

[Capital Habs Fan]

3 hours ago, H_T_L said:

Full out damage control by Molson. Just about every fan out there knew this was a problem choice, but for whatever reason, it just went over the heads of Hab management. Mind boggling how they could have so badly misread the situation. Who's running this show??

Billion dollar business organizations do not become such organizations by not realizing the ramifications of the decisions they make. As soon as Mr. Mailloux came up on their radar they began planning the PR campaign that they would need if they picked him.

They picked him because they believed he was the best player available, he could address a long-term organizational need and they believed that he would not be available when their next pick arrived.

Nothing of what I have seen since they picked him has surprised me.

The media jumped all over it because it was something that could drive traffic to their news organizations websites during what has been and continues to be a dreadfully boring hockey off-season. "If it bleed it leads" and this story was tailor made for sports media. The Outrage brigade on social media also jumped all over it. Although some of these people are genuine in their outrage I would guess that many more are outraged because they learned a long time ago that outrage results in more likes and follows on social media than measured and rational debate. Which is why if you want such debates you avoid social media. 

Some team sponsors have made noises about pulling their sponsorship but I have not heard of any who have actually done so. I will save you the suspense, none of them will because the Habs are a major revenue driver for their companies and they will not be willing to give that up. So their statements of concern are about as sincere as Hannibal Lecter announcing he is becoming a vegan.

The statements by the Canadiens have followed a set process. The first initial statements of MB soon after the selection. It was written long before the selection was made. Then the wording and the timing of the release of the statement by Mr. Molson this afternoon was planned down to the minute. Nothing about it was a mistake or accident. I would also point out that the target audience of Mr. Molson's statement was not the media or the Outrage brigade on social media. Both will condemn the organization regardless of what they say or do. The audience was the vast majority of the fanbase who are concerned by the pick but who are not foaming at the mouth with outrage. A little mea culpa will go along way in convincing them that the Organization has learned a valuable lesson and it will not happen again, at least not until the next time it does. Mr. Molson's statement was also designed to give team sponsors political cover for not pulling their sponsorship.

There is only one sure outcome for this controversy. The young woman harmed by Mr. Mailloux will be forgotten. The controversy will die down as the media and social media find something else to become outraged about. Mr. Mailloux will become the Top 4 defenceman that the Canadiens saw when they selected him at which point those who have been calling for his head this summer will be singing his praises, maybe mentioning in passing that little trouble he had as a teenager. Or he will be another Michael O'Byrne who will disappear and be forgotten along with his victim.

[Regis22]

2 hours ago, arpem-can said:

where were the pissed-off teams across the league when Tampa was 18 mill over the cap and then reactivated when the play-offs started ?

Only the teams that list to Tampa in the playoffs were upset😂

[maas_art]

4 hours ago, H_T_L said:

Full out damage control by Molson. Just about every fan out there knew this was a problem choice, but for whatever reason, it just went over the heads of Hab management. Mind boggling how they could have so badly misread the situation. Who's running this show??

In fairness, I dont think it went over their heads. I think they were fully aware it was going to be a controversial choice. I think they felt like saying things like "were going to help make him a better person" would do the trick but didnt realize just how loud the public outcry was going to be. 

The idea of not inviting him to camp etc is a good start but it should have been done immediately upon drafting him (I mean they shoudlnt have drafted him to begin with but...)  All this stuff, like setting up a program etc feels like an afterthought and, while its all good stuff, it doesnt look like great PR. 

 

2 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

There should be a poll up to see if members agree with MB's draft choice or not. 

I, for one, agree with his choice. It's not like the kid will be playing for the Habs in the next 2 years or so. He could turn out to be a flop, or he could turn out to be very good. 

Ive seen a few of these polls on twitter & similar. The problem is that there's no real grey area.    I dislike the choice because i think it went against what should have been done but at the same time, I think they can turn this into a teachable moment & make good happen from it.  So while im not in love with the pick, I also am not going to crucify the team....yet.   Lets see what they do going forward.   Not inviting him to camp & thus taking away some of that "reward" is a start.