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Montreal Canadiens: Jeff Petry Comments a Bad Look For Dominique Ducharme

“It’s the same things, over and over. We’re not playing as a team, we’re not playing as a group. It’s like you’re searching to find where people are. It seems like there’s no structure out there.” - Jeff Petry

“You watch it up top and there’s times where you’re scratching your head. It feels like everybody knows where we should be, but we’re not going to those places, we’re not making it easy for anybody on the ice except, most of the time, the other team.” - Jeff Petry, again.

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3 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

I don't feel that bad for Ducharme, to be honest. I don't hate him on a personal level or anything, but in professional sports, you earn your keep or you don't, and he hasn't. He's been grossly overmatched as a head coach and he's been unable to make any type of adjustments. Good on the guy for working his way up the ranks to NHL head coach, but he's clearly not ready. Hopefully for him, he takes this experience and learns something from it and earns another opportunity somewhere else down the line.

Burrows has very little experience, outside of being our assistant here. He was brought in to fix the PP and it's been even worse than before he got here. So nothing about him suggests he's better than Ducharme and he should be shown the door too. By all accounts, Richardson is the most-respected guy in the room, and he was the choice for stand-in last post-season when Ducharme had COVID. If GM and JG are clear that Richardson is only here the rest of the year and that he's not being considered for head coaching job, I think it'll fly. He can't be worse than the current guy.

Well, it's not DD fault he got the head coaching job. Somebody grossly evaluated him.

As for Richardson,  I 'm  just remembering the Cunneyworth fiasco. As for Richardson coaching in the playoffs?  Julien was coming back, anyway,  so it was a defined period of time.

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1 hour ago, electron58 said:

Well, it's not DD fault he got the head coaching job. Somebody grossly evaluated him.

As for Richardson,  I 'm  just remembering the Cunneyworth fiasco. As for Richardson coaching in the playoffs?  Julien was coming back, anyway,  so it was a defined period of time.

Pretty sure they are talking about this years playoffs when DD had the covid scare

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Player agent Alan Walsh :

How sad is it that Stephane Waite who was fired as the Canadiens goaltending coach is so desperate for attention that he’s doing interviews talking about what he claims went on inside the Habs dressing room and taking shots at various players. A real pro…

the french version 

https://www.danslescoulisses.com/allan-walsh-sen-est-pris-publiquement-a-stephane-waite/

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

Player agent Alan Walsh :

How sad is it that Stephane Waite who was fired as the Canadiens goaltending coach is so desperate for attention that he’s doing interviews talking about what he claims went on inside the Habs dressing room and taking shots at various players. A real pro…

 

 

Disgusting!!!

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https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/ducharme-doesn-t-believe-there-s-dissension-in-the-habs-ranks-1.5708810

Ducharme doesn't believe there's dissension in the Habs' ranks

BROSSARD, QUE. -- Dominique Ducharme insisted there is no dissension within the Montreal Canadiens.

The head coach of the Habs had to adjust his tune Wednesday after defenceman Jeff Petry made some harsh comments the day before following a 5-2 loss to the Pittsburgh Penguins -- the team's seventh in a row.

Petry said that "there is no structure" on the ice and that "we think everyone knows where to position themselves, but we don't go to those places. We don't make it easy for anyone on the ice, except maybe the other team."

ome interpreted these statements as a disavowal of Ducharme. The Quebec coach said the situation was discussed at a routine morning meeting. He said the matter was closed.

"There is no disorder in the system of play," he insisted. "Everything is clear. I make sure of that every day."

"Everyone wants to win," said Ducharme of the frustration on the team. "Nobody is happy with the situation or excited that we're not winning. Nobody thinks it's funny -- me, the players, the assistants, the staff. Everyone wants to be successful. But at the same time, there's only one way to get through it, and that's by rolling up your sleeves."

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10 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/ducharme-doesn-t-believe-there-s-dissension-in-the-habs-ranks-1.5708810

Ducharme doesn't believe there's dissension in the Habs' ranks

BROSSARD, QUE. -- Dominique Ducharme insisted there is no dissension within the Montreal Canadiens.

The head coach of the Habs had to adjust his tune Wednesday after defenceman Jeff Petry made some harsh comments the day before following a 5-2 loss to the Pittsburgh Penguins -- the team's seventh in a row.

Petry said that "there is no structure" on the ice and that "we think everyone knows where to position themselves, but we don't go to those places. We don't make it easy for anyone on the ice, except maybe the other team."

ome interpreted these statements as a disavowal of Ducharme. The Quebec coach said the situation was discussed at a routine morning meeting. He said the matter was closed.

"There is no disorder in the system of play," he insisted. "Everything is clear. I make sure of that every day."

"Everyone wants to win," said Ducharme of the frustration on the team. "Nobody is happy with the situation or excited that we're not winning. Nobody thinks it's funny -- me, the players, the assistants, the staff. Everyone wants to be successful. But at the same time, there's only one way to get through it, and that's by rolling up your sleeves."

Well, he said all the right things. :rolleyes:

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1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

Player agent Alan Walsh :

How sad is it that Stephane Waite who was fired as the Canadiens goaltending coach is so desperate for attention that he’s doing interviews talking about what he claims went on inside the Habs dressing room and taking shots at various players. A real pro…

the french version 

https://www.danslescoulisses.com/allan-walsh-sen-est-pris-publiquement-a-stephane-waite/

 

 

Yeah, I thought off the bat he was a little to close to the media, at first I thought it was a one off but maybe he just doesn't want to coach anymore and wants a job in media. I wouldn't hire him

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So,,,, capacity limits are being restricted in Ontario to 50% at Leafs and Sens games as of Saturday. Quebec and the Habs could be right behind them. May be just a question of time before the NHL pauses the season once again because of rising cases among players. Might not be the worst situation for us based on where we currently are in the standings but it could hurt our effort to move players at the trade deadline if this season goes south quickly.

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5 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

So,,,, capacity limits are being restricted in Ontario to 50% at Leafs and Sens games as of Saturday. Quebec and the Habs could be right behind them. May be just a question of time before the NHL pauses the season once again because of rising cases among players. Might not be the worst situation for us based on where we currently are in the standings but it could hurt our effort to move players at the trade deadline if this season goes south quickly.

yup https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/maple-leafs-raptors-senators-going-50-arena-capacity/

I haven't been paying attention to covid since I got vaccinated, didn't realize it was getting that bad again

yeah I hope it doesn't get to the point where we are playing in empty buildings or stopping the season. Although there is going to be some type of rescheduling because I don't think they're going to the olympics 

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1 hour ago, H_T_L said:

So,,,, capacity limits are being restricted in Ontario to 50% at Leafs and Sens games as of Saturday. Quebec and the Habs could be right behind them. May be just a question of time before the NHL pauses the season once again because of rising cases among players. Might not be the worst situation for us based on where we currently are in the standings but it could hurt our effort to move players at the trade deadline if this season goes south quickly.

I don't see how professional sports leagues are going to power through this. There are dozens of new cases a day in the NHL/NBA/NFL right now. Some teams are missing 5-7 players, so it really doesn't maintain the spirit of competitiveness. Until Omicron is better-controlled and the majority of the population has had 3rd doses of vaccines, this will only get worse.

Also makes zero sense right now to allow full capacity fans in arenas. They're closing schools again, hospitals are starting to fill up again, makes no sense to prioritize keeping sporting events open.

As for our deadline, agreed with you. Another reason Gorton should try to act early before COVID usurps the season and renders teams hesitant to trade again, as it did two years ago.

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24 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

I don't see how professional sports leagues are going to power through this. There are dozens of new cases a day in the NHL/NBA/NFL right now. Some teams are missing 5-7 players, so it really doesn't maintain the spirit of competitiveness. Until Omicron is better-controlled and the majority of the population has had 3rd doses of vaccines, this will only get worse.

Also makes zero sense right now to allow full capacity fans in arenas. They're closing schools again, hospitals are starting to fill up again, makes no sense to prioritize keeping sporting events open.

As for our deadline, agreed with you. Another reason Gorton should try to act early before COVID usurps the season and renders teams hesitant to trade again, as it did two years ago.

I fear it may already be too late on the last point. Teams know that stoppage of indefinite length is in the realm of possibilities now.

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How it all went wrong for the Canadiens this season

It was just a little more than five months ago that the Canadiens were playing in the Stanley Cup Final, only a couple of wins away adding to the team’s championship collection.

Today, they are objectively one of the NHL’s worst teams across the board, have already fired their general manager, and after losing to the Penguins, 5-2, on Tuesday night have lost seven in a row and 16 of their past 19 games. The only team with a worse record is Arizona, a team that spent its offseason tearing its roster down to the foundation to accumulate as many future assets as it could. The main difference between Arizona and Montreal right now is the Coyotes’ season is mostly going to plan. The Canadiens really put in an effort to be good. Or to at least try to be good. That makes the current results even more disappointing.

Following Tuesday’s loss in Pittsburgh veteran defenseman Jeff Petry sounded like a player that is out of answers.

“It’s frustrating. It’s the same things over and over,” said Petry. “We are not playing as a team. We are not playing as a group. It’s like you’re searching to find where people and it seems like there’s no structure out there.”

Tuesday’s game was Petry’s first game back in the lineup after missing two weeks, and even the perspective of watching the games did not offer any answers.

“You watch it up top and there times where you’re scratching your head,” he said. “It feels like everybody knows where we should be, but we are not going to those places, we are not making it easy for anybody on the ice except, most of the time, the other team.”

So how do you go from the Cup Final, to whatever that is.

 

For starters, the Cup Final run probably raised the bar too much because it was the perfect storm of circumstances, from the playoff format, the division they played in that allowed them to get into that playoff format, to Carey Price putting in a Conn Smythe worthy performance in goal. And that does not even include a 6-1 record in playoff overtime games, including 2-0 in the First Round when one shot in either game going against them would have resulted in a First Round loss, and a 2-1 mark in the Semifinals against the Golden Knights. There is a fine line between winning and losing there, and the Canadiens consistently came out on the right side of it in the playoffs.

There were some things to like about that Habs team and the way it played, but at the end of the day it was still a .500 hockey team that probably would not have sniffed the playoffs in a normal season. But even that was better than this, and even if you expected the Canadiens to regress, nobody expected them to be this bad.

Petry’s comments are certainly not a glowing endorsement for the job head coach Dominque Ducharme is doing. But structure and systems and being on the same page can only take a team so far. It still comes down to talent, and the Canadiens lost a lot of talent from last year’s roster.

Price, the driving force behind their postseason run, has yet to play in a game this season, leaving the net in the hands of Jake Allen, Sam Montembeault, and Cayden Primeau. They have not come close to matching what Price did in the playoffs.

On defense, Shea Weber is sidelined for the season and probably for his career. That is a huge loss that was never going to be adequately replaced by free agent acquisition David Savard (nothing against him. He just is not Shea Weber).

Then there is the talent that exited the roster in free agency, including Philip Danault, Jesperi Kotkaniemi, Corey Perry, Eric Staal, and Tomas Tatar.

For the past couple of years the Canadiens had one of the best, most productive lines in hockey with Brendan Gallagher, Danault, and Tatar working together as a trio. Between 2018-19 and 2020-21 when that group was on the ice together during 5-on-5 play they outscored teams by a staggering 94-49 margin and controlled more than 61% of the total shot attempts. That is as good as you can get in the NHL and it was a game-changing, shutdown line that could also score.

Two of those three (Danault and Tatar) left in free agency.

Even if you rightly point out that Tatar did not play much in the playoffs, the loss of Danault is still significant given how well he and Gallagher played together. When it was just Gallagher and Danault on the ice last season, including playoffs, the Canadiens outscored teams by a 27-7 margin. With neither on the ice, they were outscored by 11 goals.

It is difficult to replace that many players in one offseason, especially when it comes to the guys at the top of the lineup (Price, Weber, Danault).

What’s made matters worse is the returning players that were supposed to take big step forwards to help make up for that.

Nick Suzuki has been good, but his production has taken a small step backwards.

Cole Caufield, who was supposed to be a Calder Trophy contender, has one goal in 22 games and spent time in the American Hockey League.

But it’s not just the young players that have regressed. After finishing as a top-five goal scorer a year ago, Tyler Toffoli has five goals in 26 games. Gallagher’s production has dropped. Off-season additions Mike Hoffman and Christian Dvorak have not really made much of an impact yet. Adding to all of that is the fact that injuries and COVID-19 protocols have also mounted, with Toffoli, Gallagher, and Josh Anderson all being sidelined.

While the 2020-21 season was the perfect storm of everything going their way, with some outrageously strong performances from veterans sprinkled in, the 2021-22 season has been the complete opposite. Players that were supposed to take big steps forward, have not. Core players that were expected to be there have not been. The new additions have not been able to replace some of the talent that left. Add in the fact they are now back in the Atlantic Division and not playing the same six Canadian teams over and over again, and you have the situation that is playing out now. They lost too much, too quickly, and do not have the people that can make up for that in a tough division.

Given how long players like Toffoli, Anderson, and Weber (all season in this case) are out, it is difficult to see any of this improving anytime soon.

No kidding :4224:

 

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On 12/15/2021 at 6:57 PM, H_T_L said:

So,,,, capacity limits are being restricted in Ontario to 50% at Leafs and Sens games as of Saturday. Quebec and the Habs could be right behind them. May be just a question of time before the NHL pauses the season once again because of rising cases among players. Might not be the worst situation for us based on where we currently are in the standings but it could hurt our effort to move players at the trade deadline if this season goes south quickly.

Also, no food or drinks?

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