2021-22 State of the Habs

[CaptWelly]

27 minutes ago, habsisme said:

Guys this Weber contract was very misunderstood from the beginning. 100% Weber is never playing again and is not retiring until the end of his contract. Nashville has nothing to worry about. Habs never had anything to worry about. 

Weber might be move to a floor team but that's it, we may get a second out of it or something like that

Where has it been stated 100% absolutely that Weber will never return? I know there has been a lot of speculation. I have seen nothing from Weber or anyone saying it was 100%. It would be great to see him return though it probably has a likely hood that he won't. It would be nice to see or hear an actual announcement. 

[maas_art]

2 hours ago, habsisme said:

Guys this Weber contract was very misunderstood from the beginning. 100% Weber is never playing again and is not retiring until the end of his contract. Nashville has nothing to worry about. Habs never had anything to worry about. 

Weber might be move to a floor team but that's it, we may get a second out of it or something like that

 

2 hours ago, CaptWelly said:

Where has it been stated 100% absolutely that Weber will never return? I know there has been a lot of speculation. I have seen nothing from Weber or anyone saying it was 100%. It would be great to see him return though it probably has a likely hood that he won't. It would be nice to see or hear an actual announcement. 

Yes. Considering that I know for a fact he's still rehabbing and that he's still hopeful the above speculation is pure hyperbole. 

Is it likely he comes back? no. But when Weber himself is still trying & still hopeful its completely unfair to suggest its a fact. 

[ramcharger440]

3 hours ago, maas_art said:

 

Yes. Considering that I know for a fact he's still rehabbing and that he's still hopeful the above speculation is pure hyperbole. 

Is it likely he comes back? no. But when Weber himself is still trying & still hopeful its completely unfair to suggest its a fact. 

When you consider he played in the playoffs in the shape he was in and did a fair job it would not surprise me to see him come back just to finish on his own terms!

[claremont]

15 hours ago, habsisme said:

Guys this Weber contract was very misunderstood from the beginning. 100% Weber is never playing again and is not retiring until the end of his contract. Nashville has nothing to worry about. Habs never had anything to worry about. 

Weber might be move to a floor team but that's it, we may get a second out of it or something like that

Interesting perspective- so if he’s cleared to play by medical doctors of the NHL (thus disqualifying him for being eligible for LTIR), you can actually foresee him risking his body for $1M salary (year after next), when he could earn a good portion of that in some organizational capacity? 
The medical evaluation is a large assumption, otherwise I would concur with you. 
 

[CaptWelly]

2 hours ago, claremont said:

Interesting perspective- so if he’s cleared to play by medical doctors of the NHL (thus disqualifying him for being eligible for LTIR), you can actually foresee him risking his body for $1M salary (year after next), when he could earn a good portion of that in some organizational capacity? 
The medical evaluation is a large assumption, otherwise I would concur with you. 
 

There are a lot of players that actually love the game and have come back and played for close to minimum just to continue playing. Once they've made their money. Perry was a cheap contract Chara, older players do play for less a lot to still be able to play. A player in their prime after any decent contract if invested wisely could walk away for fear of serious injury. An injury can come at any age. McDavid with his contract could decide to walk away after it's done if he wanted to, young and healthy and rich!

[habsisme]

Guys how much clearer do they need to make that he's not coming back. If habs were in a playoff run this year I MIGHT believe you but when is the last time a player has been injured for a year or more and came back? I'm not say its not possible, anything is possible, but come on you really think its likely? I always knew this is how this contract would end, it was always the most likely scenario. People have been complaining about Weber's contract since day 1 and look at that it ended up shorter than PKs. 

[MuddyWaterMoose]

12 minutes ago, habsisme said:

Guys how much clearer do they need to make that he's not coming back. If habs were in a playoff run this year I MIGHT believe you but when is the last time a player has been injured for a year or more and came back? I'm not say its not possible, anything is possible, but come on you really think its likely? I always knew this is how this contract would end, it was always the most likely scenario. People have been complaining about Weber's contract since day 1 and look at that it ended up shorter than PKs. 

Ok so then given this statement, are we also to expect that Price will never come back? It seems quite likely that his injury will keep him out the entire year.

[Regis22]

21 minutes ago, habsisme said:

. People have been complaining about Weber's contract since day 1 

People wanted weber and Price gone .

Well this year showed what a year without the two looks like .

Fun wasn't it 

[habsisme]

26 minutes ago, MuddyWaterMoose said:

Ok so then given this statement, are we also to expect that Price will never come back? It seems quite likely that his injury will keep him out the entire year.

yeah but nobody said that he was unlikely to play again, they said that with Weber. Price is either delaying his rehab or it IS possibly career ending

[Regis22]

uh well that Ranger pipeline , Gorton filled it , did he not 

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-rangers-trade-deadline-2022/

 

 

Pierre LeBrun

@PierreVLeBrun

Keep an eye on the Rangers and the Habs between now and March 21. I think Montreal covets some Rangers prospects. Habs could fill some Rangers needs. Montreal would rather add prospects over picks. Already have 12 picks for the July draft. Rangers' pipeline drawing Habs interest

[electron58]

Goaltender Andrew Hammond will make his Montreal Canadiens debut on Sunday afternoon against the New York Islanders.

[BigTed3]

1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

People wanted weber and Price gone .

Well this year showed what a year without the two looks like .

Fun wasn't it 

Don't think this was only a product of Price and Weber being out. Both have missed significant time in the past. Other things that have contributed this year:

- We lost Danault and Kotkaniemi and replaced them with Dvorak and Paquette.

- We lost Tatar and replaced him with Hoffman.

- We signed Savard to replace Weber, and Savard has negative added value. He has some of the worst advanced stats in the entire league.

- In fact, I'd question whether every single free agent Bergevin added in the off-season (Savard, Paquette, Perreault, Hoffman, Niku...) actually made us a worse team. Don't think any one of those players is better than a league-average replacement. Maybe you could argue Wideman has been alright in his 3rd-pairing role, but he's been heavily-sheltered and he doesn't add that much value either.

- We lost Edmundson to injury as well.

- We had a ton of man-games lost to both injury and COVID. In particular, we didn't just go from Price and Allen to Allen and Allen, we went from Price and Allen to some Allen and a fair bit of Montembeault and Primeau.

- We had guys playing post-COVID who could be dealing with long-term side effects.

- All of this left a number of guys playing above their expected positions, which means they all under-perform when asked to do too much.

- We went from having one of the best tactical coaches in the league in Julien to yet another coach with no system or concept of adapting to another team's game plan in Ducharme. Same exact problem with Therrien and Tremblay. They're all rah-rah guys who think just yelling and motivating is all there is to coaching. No game plans. And the players know this and they clearly didn't accept or want to play for Ducharme.

- We didn't get to play all our games against bottom-feeder Canadian teams this year.

So a lot of things went worse this year past just losing Weber and Price. Certainly we're worse off without those two star players, but I'm not sure we'd be anywhere close to a playoff team even if they were here. I've gone over this before, but look at the Habs' last 4 seasons: last year, we nabbed the last playoff spot in a weak division and came one goal away from being eliminated in 5 games in the 1st round, then rode hot goaltending to a Finals appearance. The year before, we were a bottom 10 team in the league and manage to make the post-season due to the exceptional play-in from COVID. In many ways, that rule hurt us and we would have benefited more from being a lottery team. The two years before that we also missed the playoffs. This team has been bad for years, with or without Price and Weber. Why? Because Bergevin was risk-averse and was fine being a middle-of-the-pack team so long as no one could blame him for making mistakes. Lots of tinkering, no real move to give the team a Cup window. I'm much more confident the current regime recognizes this and will move to give us a Cup window down the line.

 

 

[H_T_L]

These are the players on the Habs that have some control over where they are traded.

NO-TRADE CLAUSES

• Josh Anderson (8-team no-trade list)

• Jonathan Drouin (3-team no-trade list)

• Ben Chiarot (10-team no-trade list)

• Joel Edmundson (10-team no-trade list)

NO-MOVEMENT CLAUSES

• Brendan Gallagher (6-team no-trade list)

• Jeff Petry (15-team no-trade list)

• Carey Price

[electron58]

The Montreal Canadiens reached out to Marie-Philip Poulin prior to the Olympics to see if she might be interested in joining them. No formal offer made, but she wants to continue playing.  Maybe one more Olympic.   Jeff Gorton says they’ll be interested in the future, too.

[claremont]

3 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Don't think this was only a product of Price and Weber being out. Both have missed significant time in the past. Other things that have contributed this year:

- We lost Danault and Kotkaniemi and replaced them with Dvorak and Paquette. ETC.! So a lot of things went worse this year past just losing Weber and Price. Certainly we're worse off without those two star players, but I'm not sure we'd be anywhere close to a playoff team even if they were here. I've gone over this before, but look at the Habs' last 4 seasons: last year, we nabbed the last playoff spot in a weak division and came one goal away from being eliminated in 5 games in the 1st round, then rode hot goaltending to a Finals appearance. The year before, we were a bottom 10 team in the league and manage to make the post-season due to the exceptional play-in from COVID. In many ways, that rule hurt us and we would have benefited more from being a lottery team. The two years before that we also missed the playoffs. This team has been bad for years, with or without Price and Weber. Why? Because Bergevin was risk-averse and was fine being a middle-of-the-pack team so long as no one could blame him for making mistakes. Lots of tinkering, no real move to give the team a Cup window. I'm much more confident the current regime recognizes this and will move to give us a Cup window down the line.

Good laundry list of current season failures Ted however, I also believe a core fundamental flaw over the last 6 years was the developmental failure to work some draft picks into the roster, or acquired prospects. If you fail at the draft, then you should be trying to trade for some youthful prospects with more urgency. I believe a reasonable target is to work a minimum of 2-4 players each year as entry level contracts or low value RFA's that have some ceiling upside for 4-5 years and hope 1-2 of them become core pieces to build around. Alternatively you need 1-2 years where you have a wave of successful rookies or sophomores.  Bergevin over emphasized the Punch Imlach approach of going with veterans including riding Weber and Price. It's only in the last 2 years that I see any draft hopefuls with Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov, Guhle, maybe Joshua Roy or Rafael Harvey Pinard.  Lehkonen even though he may be traded and the acquisitions of Drouin / Anderson were at least attempts but should have been more vs. Free agency patches.  

Since you're an analysis facts guy, let's look at the perennial contenders even though some of them had a core element over the last 5 years - Washington, Pitts, TBay, Bruins, Avs, Blues, with the emerging Canes and Panthers

Washington - Prior to 2017-18, had just locked up a 25 year old Kuznetsov, but had Vrana (age 21), Burakovsky (22), Chandler Stephenson(23), Tom Wilson (24) - a bit of an exception to my statement of working rookies in since they had an outstanding core but they still added 3-4 pieces so did not have to add for 2018-19 or the year after. In 2020-21 added Goalie Vanecek (24), Samsonov (23) and Mantha (25). For 2021-22 McMichael (21)

Bruins - 2017-18 added Pasternak (21), Heinen (22), Debrusk (20) McAvoy (19), Grzelchyk (23), 2018-19 added Brandon Carlo (21) and you see the emergence of Kurally (25) added the year before

Pittsburgh - had an exceptional core but 2017-18 added Guentzel (22), Sheary (25), Maata (23), Dumoulin (25), Oleksiuk (24). Rust (25) - these set them up for a number of competing years. 2019-20 McCann (23). Tristan Jarry (24) 2020-21 Kapanen (24) 

Tbay - this team had a solid core but supplanted it with Brayden Point in 2017-18 (21), Namesnikov (24)was then flipped for McDonough and JT Miller. Sergachev (Ugh - 19) and Cirelli (20)- Vaisilevsky (23) then they just rode the wave. Even worked in Erik Cernak (23) in 2019-20, and then 2020-21 even Mathieu Joseph (23)

Avs - sure helps when you draft Nathan MacKinnon and then follow up on 2017-18 with Rantanen, but they worked in Tyson Jost and acquired Samuel Girard in the Duchene trade, totally whiffed on Yakupov, got Zadarov (later dealt) as a prospect for Ryan O'Reilly (later flipped). 2019-20 they struck gold with Cale Makar, and acquired a first rounder in Burakovsky from the capitals, developed or gave him an opportunity to play. This year they have worked in Alex Newhook and Bowen Byram, I would argue Joe Sakic has been very astute at trading players (Barrie for Kadri, 2nd rounder for Devon Toews). They haven't won a cup yet but have been in the mix.

Blues - 2017- 18 - start to see 2nd and 3rd round picks from previous years Parayko, Barbashev and Edmundson develop, but this team did not have much identity. 2018-19 20th overall Robert Thomas emerges, They ride 3rd rounder Jordan Binnington to the Stanley Cup. 2019-20 - not much more other than 2nd rounder Jordan Kyrou (22) worked into the lineup. Of all the teams that contended, the Blues were fortunate with some free agents or trades - Faulk, Krug, O'Reiily, Tarasenko to build their core

Caroline Canes - 2017018 saw the emergence of 2nd rounder Aho (20), and they acquired 2018 1st rounder Teravainen (22) from the Black Hawks for a 2nd round pick. a 3rd rounder Pesce. 2018-19 they got a great 2nd overall pick in Svechnikov via lottery odds. 2019-20 worked in Martin Necas (20) 1st rounder. This team's fortune is a bit of a head scratcher for me - they whiffed on the Adam Fox trade, and Jake Gardner as a free agent, and dumped Dougie Hamilton etc. Bottom line is they did get some good youth in their core but more luck IMO, and took a chance this year on Tony Deangelo who has kept his mouth shut.

Panthers - in 2017-18 Panthers had a good core of young players - Barkov 2nd overall 2013, Huberdeau 3rd overall 2011, Ekblad 1st overall 2011 so this was a doormat tank team, If you are bad enough, you will eventually be good. They paid a @#$ load of money for Bobrovsky as a free agent. They have worked in a couple of trades - 3rd rounder Verhaege from TBay,  2020-21 they worked in 10th overall Own Tippett but he is apparently on a trading block. 2020-21 how did they get so good - a couple of chances on former #1 picks - Sam Reinhart (gave up their 1st round 2022 pick), and their12th overall pick for 2020 Anton Lundell has stepped into their lineup and made an impact. Mason Marchment went undrafted but the Panthers must have seen something in him and gave up 4th rounder - 2015 Denis Malgin for him

The Golden Knights are an anomaly so not discussed here

The analysis of contenders emphasizes that we need a sustainable core, some fortunes in the draft (not just high 1st rounders but 2nd and 3rd round roster success), and some trades for other prospects that haven't reached their potential. These contenders haven't got their by a patchwork of free agents. 

 

[BigTed3]

1 hour ago, claremont said:

Good laundry list of current season failures Ted however, I also believe a core fundamental flaw over the last 6 years was the developmental failure to work some draft picks into the roster, or acquired prospects. If you fail at the draft, then you should be trying to trade for some youthful prospects with more urgency. I believe a reasonable target is to work a minimum of 2-4 players each year as entry level contracts or low value RFA's that have some ceiling upside for 4-5 years and hope 1-2 of them become core pieces to build around. Alternatively you need 1-2 years where you have a wave of successful rookies or sophomores.  Bergevin over emphasized the Punch Imlach approach of going with veterans including riding Weber and Price. It's only in the last 2 years that I see any draft hopefuls with Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov, Guhle, maybe Joshua Roy or Rafael Harvey Pinard.  Lehkonen even though he may be traded and the acquisitions of Drouin / Anderson were at least attempts but should have been more vs. Free agency patches.  

Since you're an analysis facts guy, let's look at the perennial contenders even though some of them had a core element over the last 5 years - Washington, Pitts, TBay, Bruins, Avs, Blues, with the emerging Canes and Panthers

Washington - Prior to 2017-18, had just locked up a 25 year old Kuznetsov, but had Vrana (age 21), Burakovsky (22), Chandler Stephenson(23), Tom Wilson (24) - a bit of an exception to my statement of working rookies in since they had an outstanding core but they still added 3-4 pieces so did not have to add for 2018-19 or the year after. In 2020-21 added Goalie Vanecek (24), Samsonov (23) and Mantha (25). For 2021-22 McMichael (21)

Bruins - 2017-18 added Pasternak (21), Heinen (22), Debrusk (20) McAvoy (19), Grzelchyk (23), 2018-19 added Brandon Carlo (21) and you see the emergence of Kurally (25) added the year before

Pittsburgh - had an exceptional core but 2017-18 added Guentzel (22), Sheary (25), Maata (23), Dumoulin (25), Oleksiuk (24). Rust (25) - these set them up for a number of competing years. 2019-20 McCann (23). Tristan Jarry (24) 2020-21 Kapanen (24) 

Tbay - this team had a solid core but supplanted it with Brayden Point in 2017-18 (21), Namesnikov (24)was then flipped for McDonough and JT Miller. Sergachev (Ugh - 19) and Cirelli (20)- Vaisilevsky (23) then they just rode the wave. Even worked in Erik Cernak (23) in 2019-20, and then 2020-21 even Mathieu Joseph (23)

Avs - sure helps when you draft Nathan MacKinnon and then follow up on 2017-18 with Rantanen, but they worked in Tyson Jost and acquired Samuel Girard in the Duchene trade, totally whiffed on Yakupov, got Zadarov (later dealt) as a prospect for Ryan O'Reilly (later flipped). 2019-20 they struck gold with Cale Makar, and acquired a first rounder in Burakovsky from the capitals, developed or gave him an opportunity to play. This year they have worked in Alex Newhook and Bowen Byram, I would argue Joe Sakic has been very astute at trading players (Barrie for Kadri, 2nd rounder for Devon Toews). They haven't won a cup yet but have been in the mix.

Blues - 2017- 18 - start to see 2nd and 3rd round picks from previous years Parayko, Barbashev and Edmundson develop, but this team did not have much identity. 2018-19 20th overall Robert Thomas emerges, They ride 3rd rounder Jordan Binnington to the Stanley Cup. 2019-20 - not much more other than 2nd rounder Jordan Kyrou (22) worked into the lineup. Of all the teams that contended, the Blues were fortunate with some free agents or trades - Faulk, Krug, O'Reiily, Tarasenko to build their core

Caroline Canes - 2017018 saw the emergence of 2nd rounder Aho (20), and they acquired 2018 1st rounder Teravainen (22) from the Black Hawks for a 2nd round pick. a 3rd rounder Pesce. 2018-19 they got a great 2nd overall pick in Svechnikov via lottery odds. 2019-20 worked in Martin Necas (20) 1st rounder. This team's fortune is a bit of a head scratcher for me - they whiffed on the Adam Fox trade, and Jake Gardner as a free agent, and dumped Dougie Hamilton etc. Bottom line is they did get some good youth in their core but more luck IMO, and took a chance this year on Tony Deangelo who has kept his mouth shut.

Panthers - in 2017-18 Panthers had a good core of young players - Barkov 2nd overall 2013, Huberdeau 3rd overall 2011, Ekblad 1st overall 2011 so this was a doormat tank team, If you are bad enough, you will eventually be good. They paid a @#$ load of money for Bobrovsky as a free agent. They have worked in a couple of trades - 3rd rounder Verhaege from TBay,  2020-21 they worked in 10th overall Own Tippett but he is apparently on a trading block. 2020-21 how did they get so good - a couple of chances on former #1 picks - Sam Reinhart (gave up their 1st round 2022 pick), and their12th overall pick for 2020 Anton Lundell has stepped into their lineup and made an impact. Mason Marchment went undrafted but the Panthers must have seen something in him and gave up 4th rounder - 2015 Denis Malgin for him

The Golden Knights are an anomaly so not discussed here

The analysis of contenders emphasizes that we need a sustainable core, some fortunes in the draft (not just high 1st rounders but 2nd and 3rd round roster success), and some trades for other prospects that haven't reached their potential. These contenders haven't got their by a patchwork of free agents. 

 

I agree with you in this regard: in a cap world, you absolutely have to be able to draft and develop young cheap talent. Alternatively, as you said, you can trade for young talent before it breaks out in order to do the same. That's why I've been advocating over the past few years for trading players as they get towards the end of their prime before they fall off a cliff. Ride players during their best years but sell high and get out so you renew the value to your organization. I would have traded Weber and Price years ago. I would have traded Gallagher and maybe Petry (if we could have found a replacement at RHD) a year or two ago before they signed their big extensions. I would have dealt Plekanec before we did. I would have traded Tatar last year if all we were going to do was stick him in the pressbox in the post-season. I would have played Galchneyuk as a 1C for the remainder of a lost season if the plan was to trade him rather than playing him as a 4th-line LW before dealing. Ditto for Domi. If you're going to make trades, make them while value is good, not after dumping on players or watching them decline. Hughes and Gorton have publicly stated this will be their philosophy, which is good, and it's something Bergevin never understood.

As for Cup champs, again, I agree that you need to be able to supplement your core with young cheap talent. But the running theme that most of the champions have is that they've been able to draft star players and build around them, and most of the time, the core elite have come from top 5 picks. Chicago had Kane and Toews. Pittsburgh had Crosby, Fleury, and Malkin. Washington had Ovi. TB had Stamkos and Hedman and before that Lecavalier. And yes, you will get teams that find their stars in other ways and yes, you can get help from finding gems deeper in the draft or lucking out with free agents and so on. But ultimately, it's a huge advantage to have multiple top 5 picks in your line-up to build around. If we look at the powerhouses now, like you're talking about, Colorado is probably the best team in the league and features multiple top picks. Florida might be #2 and also features an elite core of high draft picks. Carolina has Svech at #2 and then got a bit lucky with Aho but has also built their team around being a strong possession club and made some key trades to get guys who had strong advanced stats. The Blues and Bruins were also strong analytically, some of the best possession teams in the league with tight systems and good coaching.

And yes, you'll have teams with good picks that flop like Buffalo and Edmonton, but a lot of that is just failure to build around your core, as you alluded to. Buffalo alienated its best players. Edmonton put all its eggs in forwards and never built a D or found a goalie, and they've had incompetent GMs. But give me McDavid and Draisaitl any day and it'd be easier to build a winner around them than it would be Suzuki and Gallagher. I wouldn't be surprised if the Rangers become a perennial contender soon enough. I wouldn't be surprised if Ottawa and Anaheim and Detroit and LA get there too within 3-5 years. These are all teams that have had multiple top 5-6 draft choices recently, and it will pay off in the long run. Now they won't all be elite, and yes, a lot of it will require making smart moves and developing players well to build around the core, but those franchises have a head start on other teams to become elite in the near future. So mark my words, those are 5 of the teams I'm most concerned about being competition for us in a few years.

[Graeme-1]

On 2/20/2022 at 3:29 AM, electron58 said:

The Montreal Canadiens reached out to Marie-Philip Poulin prior to the Olympics to see if she might be interested in joining them. No formal offer made, but she wants to continue playing.  Maybe one more Olympic.   Jeff Gorton says they’ll be interested in the future, too.

This is one of those things that feels like the sort of potentially smart move the previous management team just wouldn't have done.

[kinot-2]

1 minute ago, Graeme-1 said:

This is one of those things that feels like the sort of potentially smart move the previous management team just wouldn't have done.

Ya got that right. 

 

[Graeme-1]

On 2/19/2022 at 10:13 AM, Regis22 said:

uh well that Ranger pipeline , Gorton filled it , did he not 

 

https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-rangers-trade-deadline-2022/

 

 

Pierre LeBrun

@PierreVLeBrun

Keep an eye on the Rangers and the Habs between now and March 21. I think Montreal covets some Rangers prospects. Habs could fill some Rangers needs. Montreal would rather add prospects over picks. Already have 12 picks for the July draft. Rangers' pipeline drawing Habs interest

Not sure how to feel about this: risk of previous GM overvaluing their past picks?

[Graeme-1]

On 2/19/2022 at 10:49 AM, BigTed3 said:

. Why? Because Bergevin was risk-averse and was fine being a middle-of-the-pack team so long as no one could blame him for making mistakes. Lots of tinkering, no real move to give the team a Cup window. I'm much more confident the current regime recognizes this and will move to give us a Cup window down the line.

Not to look too much at the past, but was risk-aversion really MB's main issue? I'd give that criticism more for someone like Cheveldayoff. Compared to many of his peers (granted a low bar compared to previous decades in the NHL or other sports), MB was a fairly active trader, including the blockbuster Weber and Drouin trades (say what you want about those trades, they weren't risk-averse), and willing to sign UFAs while letting others walk (similarly, say what you want about letting Danault and KK go, it wasn't the risk-averse move).

[electron58]

2 hours ago, Graeme-1 said:

Not sure how to feel about this: risk of previous GM overvaluing their past picks?

I take any one of these 5 players! That being said, I doubt we get any of Nils Lundkvist (D), Braden Schneider (D), Dylan Garand (G), Vitali Kravtsov (RW),

or Alexis Lafreniere (LW)

[Regis22]

To be a Leafs fan after last nights game 

On AMradio this morning , a call-in  : the Leafs should trade for Mike Smith in Edmonton and sign James Neal

Mike Smith is 39 yrs old and struggling this year and James Neal is 34 yrs old playing in the AHL 

 

 

 

[kinot-2]

51 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

To be a Leafs fan after last nights game 

On AMradio this morning , a call-in  : the Leafs should trade for Mike Smith in Edmonton and sign James Neal

Mike Smith is 39 yrs old and struggling this year and James Neal is 34 yrs old playing in the AHL 

 

 

 

Grasping at straws. 

[H_T_L]

6 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

Grasping at straws. 

Nobody ever claimed they were bright. 

[habs1952]

2 hours ago, Regis22 said:

To be a Leafs fan after last nights game 

On AMradio this morning , a call-in  : the Leafs should trade for Mike Smith in Edmonton and sign James Neal

Mike Smith is 39 yrs old and struggling this year and James Neal is 34 yrs old playing in the AHL 

 

 

 

Never heard a word on how good the Habs played. All I heard was how bad Tavares has been at 11 million/year.