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9 minutes ago, habsisme said:

no, he's raising and giving, but that's still a huge commitment, I bet he's paying a good amount of it. No athlete has ever done so much monetarily. He woud have won the Clancy EASILY if he had been nominated by his teammates. I always go back to that. They clearly didn't like him cause frankly, that was a mean thing to not nominate him. 

I wonder if management at the time had some input. You're right, it was a heinously ignorant thing to do!

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1 hour ago, claremont said:

I would agree with your summary. I never had really thought of Allen being a tradeable piece but he is a very affordable goalie, capable of being the #1 for short stretches. He will be 32 entering next season on an affordable contract even if we had to retain small salary for this season on him (who cares), but Jake won't fit in a rebuild / reset scenario.  Makes sense to try to package Allen with Lehkonen. 

Allen's got one more year left on his deal after this one. It's a very affordable deal. He also has playoff experience and he's been a #1, including really having taken on that role with Price out earlier this season. He may not be a top 15 goalie in the league, but I think he can be a viable option as a tandem goalie, and for a playoff team trying to make a run, I imagine he's a great insurance policy to have as a back-up in case your starter gets hurt or struggles. If you're Washington, for example, do you have more faith in Samsonov, Vanecek, or Allen? If you're the Rangers, who's a better back-up to an inexperienced playoff goalie like Shesterkin? Is it Georgiev or Allen? In Colorado, is it Fancouz or Allen, especially knowing Fancouz and Kuemper are both UFAs after this season? Who's backing up Bobrovsky in Florida? What's the situation in Boston? Toronto? Edmonton? I'm not saying all these teams need a starter, but they certainly all have question marks in goal, either because they don't have a clearcut #1 or because they are legit contenders without a very good Plan B or because they're #1 lacks playoff experience. So ultimately, I think there are teams that would feel Allen is a very good fit, and he's really on a reasonable contract to be able to move.

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Just now, electron58 said:

I wonder if management at the time had some input. You're right, it was a heinously ignorant thing to do!

100% management had input. We know Gallagher really liked Bergevin, and Gallagher was maybe the guy who hated PK most on the team. I wouldn't be surprised if Therrien and Bergevin were in the ears of some of those players either knocking down PK and saying "we don't want to nominate this guy for an individual trophy and have his ego go even higher" or they simply played up Pacioretty as the captain as an alternative. In the end, it's funny that Max and PK seemed to be friends off the ice and Bergevin and Pacioretty ended up turning on each other.

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1 hour ago, claremont said:

I would agree with your summary. I never had really thought of Allen being a tradeable piece but he is a very affordable goalie, capable of being the #1 for short stretches. He will be 32 entering next season on an affordable contract even if we had to retain small salary for this season on him (who cares), but Jake won't fit in a rebuild / reset scenario.  Makes sense to try to package Allen with Lehkonen. 

If we retained salary, it would be for both years. Depending on the return?  I would do it.

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3 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

100% management had input. We know Gallagher really liked Bergevin, and Gallagher was maybe the guy who hated PK most on the team. I wouldn't be surprised if Therrien and Bergevin were in the ears of some of those players either knocking down PK and saying "we don't want to nominate this guy for an individual trophy and have his ego go even higher" or they simply played up Pacioretty as the captain as an alternative. In the end, it's funny that Max and PK seemed to be friends off the ice and Bergevin and Pacioretty ended up turning on each other.

It certainly makes sense. I would have also chosen PK as captain. He was,  in my opinion,  better suited for it, than Max Pacs.

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18 minutes ago, electron58 said:

If we retained salary, it would be for both years. Depending on the return?  I would do it.

Yeah its only one year. The only damger is that you can only retain 3 salaries at any one time. So always something to consider

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15 minutes ago, electron58 said:

It certainly makes sense. I would have also chosen PK as captain. He was,  in my opinion,  better suited for it, than Max Pacs.

I thought even then that the captain should have been Gallagher 

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2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

my guess is that a deal could be Chiarot for Bolduc and a 3rd or 4th rounder OR Chiarot and a mid-round pick for a young D man like Scott Perunovich + a 2023 1st rounder.

Id be down with a Chiarot for Bolduc swap for sure. 

2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

I think Lehkonen's value is clearly a 1st round equivalent plus another high-end piece and Allen's is probably in the range of a 2nd rounder or equivalent prospect, albeit Kuemper (whose career stats mirror Allen's very well) garnered way more. So I think the combined return here would have to be big for us to pull the trigger. For a deal with the Rangers, I could see us asking for Georgiev, a 1st rounder, and one of Schneider, Kravtsov, Othmann, or Lundkvist. For a deal with the Caps, it could be Lehkonen and Allen for Samsonov, a 1st rounder, and one of Hendrix Lapierre or Vincent Iorio.

Agree.  People have to remember WHY someone is getting Lehkonen.  He's a good player that could find a home on any team in the league, sure but someone is acquiring him at hte deadline because they believe he's another piece of the puzzle for a cup run.  He's a depth piece, but a very important one in the playoffs. He's a luxury to have in your bottom 6.  I think that brings you a 1st and/or a prospect.    In some ways I could see a team offering more for Lehks than Chiarot as there is long term potential, while big ben is probably 1 and done. 

 

2 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

3. Kulak is going to have a more limited number of teams after him because he flies a bit under the radar, but he's an advanced stats darling. Great skater, good puck mover, and superior possession stats. He and Petry have made one of the top advanced-metric pairings over the past few years in the entire NHL. So I expect teams that believe in advanced metrics and puck movement to be at the top of the pile: Carolina, Tampa, Toronto, LA, Nashville, Edmonton, maybe Minnesota. Ultimately, I think he's the type of player a team will expect to get for a draft pick, so I can see the return being something along the lines of a 3rd rounder.

4. I think Perreault will go, not necessarily for more than a mid-round pick, but just because he's a playoff-type contributor who is on an expiring contract. He'll be a depth acquisition for someone. I mentioned Allen possibly going if he's back and healthy on time. Wideman is another guy who could be dealt, also as an upcoming UFA. I don't think any of these players are in the Habs' long-term plans. There are others like Hoffman, Gallagher, Petry, Edmundson, Dvorak, and Drouin who maybe don't figure in the Habs long-term plans, but I'm not sure any will move at this deadline.

5. I think it's looking more optimistic that we'll sign Harris. If we do, it'll be this season and we'll burn a year. If he doesn't sign once his college season is over, not sure why he would sign with us in the off-season. At that point, he can just choose where he wants to play. There's no advantage to him to waiting any longer, as he's out of college eligibility. But I think his connections to Hughes and St. Louis, the holes on our defence to give him opportunity, and getting to play in an offensive system under MSL could sway him to sign.

For the reasons you listed, I think Kulak may actually stay. I think current management values him a lot more than the old did & at 28 he has many more years left in him. Im not saying they shouldnt or wont trade him if the right deal comes along but im not sure they are actively shopping him because i can see them seeing value in keeping him. 

I agree on Perreault, Wideman & the other names you mentioned. I could see us making 2 or 3 trades before the deadline, or as many as 5 or 6  - its really all up in the air for now.

 

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9 minutes ago, habsisme said:

I thought even then that the captain should have been Gallagher 

For the reasons that Gallagher had a problem with PK?  Is the reason that I would have traded Gallagher before PK.

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30 minutes ago, electron58 said:

For the reasons that Gallagher had a problem with PK?  Is the reason that I would have traded Gallagher before PK.

I don;t know what the problems were but I'm not picking anyone over Gallagher. If Price or Weber, who I bother respect highly, had an issue with Gallagher I would start questioning even them. The guy does nothing but work hard, loves being here, loves the fan, and remains a good team guy

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7 minutes ago, habsisme said:

I don;t know what the problems were but I'm not picking anyone over Gallagher. If Price or Weber, who I bother respect highly, had an issue with Gallagher I would start questioning even them. The guy does nothing but work hard, loves being here, loves the fan, and remains a good team guy

I agree completely, also PK never really seemed like "a team" player. 

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23 minutes ago, habsisme said:

I don;t know what the problems were but I'm not picking anyone over Gallagher. If Price or Weber, who I bother respect highly, had an issue with Gallagher I would start questioning even them. The guy does nothing but work hard, loves being here, loves the fan, and remains a good team guy

Gallagher is one of the hardest-working players on the team and he clearly loves playing in Montreal. Not sure I'd want him as captain though. I don't think he has the respect of the league's officials, so I just don't see it being a good idea. The captain needs to be a voice of reason and calm with the refs, and Gallagher is not that.

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4 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Gallagher is one of the hardest-working players on the team and he clearly loves playing in Montreal. Not sure I'd want him as captain though. I don't think he has the respect of the league's officials, so I just don't see it being a good idea. The captain needs to be a voice of reason and calm with the refs, and Gallagher is not that.

Agree.  

Martin St. Louis says Tyler Toffoli getting traded to the #Flames is a loss of a big piece as Toffoli was like the captain without wearing the 'C'

Gallagher had an opportunity to lead this year , as did Petry , none IMO showed leadership qualities 

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9 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Gallagher is one of the hardest-working players on the team and he clearly loves playing in Montreal. Not sure I'd want him as captain though. I don't think he has the respect of the league's officials, so I just don't see it being a good idea. The captain needs to be a voice of reason and calm with the refs, and Gallagher is not that.

fair point

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1 hour ago, habsisme said:

I don;t know what the problems were but I'm not picking anyone over Gallagher. If Price or Weber, who I bother respect highly, had an issue with Gallagher I would start questioning even them. The guy does nothing but work hard, loves being here, loves the fan, and remains a good team guy

Kinda sounds like PK, & Price never had a problem with him either.

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1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

Agree.  

Martin St. Louis says Tyler Toffoli getting traded to the #Flames is a loss of a big piece as Toffoli was like the captain without wearing the 'C'

Gallagher had an opportunity to lead this year , as did Petry , none IMO showed leadership qualities 

Yes. Tyler Toffoli was well respected.  Moving forward,  would have make a great captain. Sure, Shea Weber was a good captain and never openly held a grudge like Gallagher.  That's why Gallagher is not captain material. 

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2 minutes ago, electron58 said:

Well! I did not know that! Or, maybe it was so long ago, that I do not remember?

https://www.mtlblog.com/montreal-canadiens-carey-price-spends-his-honey-moon-with-p-k-subban-instead-of-his-wife

 

Olympic training camp when he got married . PK invited to the wedding . then they flew to training  camp together

Montreal Canadiens Carey Price Spends His Honey Moon With P.K. Subban Instead Of His Wife

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3 hours ago, Regis22 said:

Agree.  

Martin St. Louis says Tyler Toffoli getting traded to the #Flames is a loss of a big piece as Toffoli was like the captain without wearing the 'C'

Gallagher had an opportunity to lead this year , as did Petry , none IMO showed leadership qualities 

I really don't think they want Gallagher as captain. They might feel inclined to do it, but if they felt strongly about a veteran like Gallagher or Petry or Chiarot being captain this year, they would have just done it. The fact they didn't means they wanted to wait for someone to emerge. My guess is that they wanted Suzuki to get another year of experience and see if he could be an on-ice leader this season. I think he's the favorite going forward. If not him, then I think Anderson gets some consideration. I could also see them bringing in a temporary captain next year to bridge to Suzuki... if they sign someone like Letang, Bergeron, Giroux, etc. I don't think they'll do this, but I also don't see a lot of in-house candidates who are ready.

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One more thing to think about moving forward, but if you look at the Habs' roster right now including injured players, they have all of three guys who are not from Canada or the US. I think that says a lot about Bergevin's way of building the team and loving traditional hard-nosed guys who "play the game the right way." He purged a lot of the Russians and got rid of a number of the other Europeans over time and the replacements he's brought in have largely been North American. He made an extra effort to bring in Quebecers before this season started despite their obvious lack of talent. So right now, we're down to Romanov, Armia, and Lehkonen, with the two Finns rumored to be potentially on their way out sooner rather than later.

So I wonder with Gorton bringing Bobrov on board and with Hughes already trading for Heineman, whether we'll start to see more of a move back towards bringing skilled European players back in. We know Kravtsov has been a trade target. We've heard Chytil's name too as an old Gorton favorite with NY. Many of the top D men in this year's draft are coming out of Europe. And some of the top free agents this coming season will also be European. So I think we'll get a good idea right off the bat whether this management group wants to take the team down the path of the familiar (with Gorton and Hughes both having worked out of the Northeastern US and with Hughes having mainly Quebec clients) or whether we'll see more diversity building this up.

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14 hours ago, CaptWelly said:

Going to the Olympic training camp together isn't quite spending his honeymoon with him. 

It was a joke . Price was supposed to be on his honeymoon at the time the picture was taken , hence the inference that he spent his honeymoon with PK .

Now between Gallagher and PK , when he PK was with Nashville  , # 11 made some comments , 

https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2018/02/11/canadiens-p-k-subban-bad-blood-boiled-over-with-gallagher-comments/

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