2021-22 State of the Habs

[maas_art]

2 hours ago, Regis22 said:

https://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/hockey-inside-out/hickey

 

Hickey on Hockey: Canadiens' rebuild beginning to look like a teardown

Montreal is up against the cap and has only 19 players, including Shea Weber, under contract.

The only consistencies in life:   Death, taxes, crappy weather and Pat Hickey writing garbage. 

What a stupid article (blaming Hickey here, not you, Regis). 

Lets wait & see what HuGo does but I can almost guarantee, the way Hughes has talked about Cap space, we'll be well under the cap with a more competitive team by the time training camp rolls around. 

[Regis22]

2 minutes ago, maas_art said:

The only consistencies in life:   Death, taxes, crappy weather and Pat Hickey writing garbage. 

What a stupid article (blaming Hickey here, not you, Regis). 

LOL.....Montreal writers . When things are going well over hype . When things arent going well . Make it sound like the end of the world

There's that other guy too ....Brendan  Kelley ?

 

[H_T_L]

Sounds like Petry is rethinking his trade request. He says things have changed since he made the ask.

[CaptWelly]

Just now, H_T_L said:

Sounds like Petry is rethinking his trade request. He says things have changed since he made the ask.

He has looked a lot better since MSL took over. I myself do not want to trade him. Petry/Edmonson make a great pairing. It would give time for the young d to develop. 

[habsisme]

sigh, if petry stays and we get wright, I'm afraid we'll sign Letang thinking we are ready to compete. I'd rather we get Wright, he play another year in junior and we trade petry and like the kids play for a year

[H_T_L]

Nick and Cole won't be attending the Worlds.

[H_T_L]

5 minutes ago, habsisme said:

sigh, if petry stays and we get wright, I'm afraid we'll sign Letang thinking we are ready to compete. I'd rather we get Wright, he play another year in junior and we trade petry and like the kids play for a year

Not sure we'd have the Cap room to sign Letang if Petry stays.

[habsisme]

2 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

Not sure we'd have the Cap room to sign Letang if Petry stays.

not much would have to be moved, a byron who as one year left on his deal could be moved if we wanted to

[habsisme]

4 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

Nick and Cole won't be attending the Worlds.

they've play a lot of hockey the last 18 months. I think they need a break

[CaptWelly]

5 minutes ago, habsisme said:

sigh, if petry stays and we get wright, I'm afraid we'll sign Letang thinking we are ready to compete. I'd rather we get Wright, he play another year in junior and we trade petry and like the kids play for a year

We could still keep Petry and let Wright play a season in the AHL without signing Letang or any additional players. Or we could get rid of everyone with any experience and become worse than Arizona teaching all the kids how it's okay to lose. Also making Montreal a place no one wants to sign with because if we go that route we could be bad easily for 5 + years! Oh wait it worked for Buffalo and Arizona they're perianal contenders now ......opps nope terrible without much hope. 

[habsisme]

1 minute ago, CaptWelly said:

We could still keep Petry and let Wright play a season in the AHL without signing Letang or any additional players. Or we could get rid of everyone with any experience and become worse than Arizona teaching all the kids how it's okay to lose. Also making Montreal a place no one wants to sign with because if we go that route we could be bad easily for 5 + years! Oh wait it worked for Buffalo and Arizona they're perianal contenders now ......opps nope terrible without much hope. 

I definitely don't have an issue with keeping Petry and only moving him if there's good value in it. 

[BigTed3]

2 hours ago, habsisme said:

sigh, if petry stays and we get wright, I'm afraid we'll sign Letang thinking we are ready to compete. I'd rather we get Wright, he play another year in junior and we trade petry and like the kids play for a year

Hughes pretty much said as much today... he said if they do get rid of Petry, the plan will be to sign or add a veteran to play that role rather than allowing a youngster to fill it. There are very few Petry-quality guys available. Letang is #1. Subban is probably #2. After that, there isn't much by the way of UFA's on the right side. Keeping Petry may well be the best option.

[ramcharger440]

1 minute ago, BigTed3 said:

Hughes pretty much said as much today... he said if they do get rid of Petry, the plan will be to sign or add a veteran to play that role rather than allowing a youngster to fill it. There are very few Petry-quality guys available. Letang is #1. Subban is probably #2. After that, there isn't much by the way of UFA's on the right side. Keeping Petry may well be the best option.

Not sure about that...for myself it will depend on the contract the new player gets. Letang is still and always has been better than Petry in my eyes and he is a winner, the kids on D will look up to him and he can work with them to bring them along. Petry came off as a bit of a malcontent this season not sure how that played out in the room but it is what it is. As for Subban I see no more value in him he seems to have burnt out shame really I felt he would have had more time at a higher level.

[BigTed3]

5 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

Not sure about that...for myself it will depend on the contract the new player gets. Letang is still and always has been better than Petry in my eyes and he is a winner, the kids on D will look up to him and he can work with them to bring them along. Petry came off as a bit of a malcontent this season not sure how that played out in the room but it is what it is. As for Subban I see no more value in him he seems to have burnt out shame really I felt he would have had more time at a higher level.

Agreed that Letang is the best of the 3, followed by Petry, then Subban. BUT... if Letang wants 7.5M x 5 years, that's a steeper price to pay against your future than keeping Petry for 3 more years at 6.25M. Subban is the least capable of the 3 right now, but he's one of the few UFA's who could take on bigger minutes and he might be a guy you can sign for one year at 4-5M. Of those three options, IF those are the contracts, I'd rather keep Petry over the other two.

[CaptWelly]

6 hours ago, ramcharger440 said:

Not sure about that...for myself it will depend on the contract the new player gets. Letang is still and always has been better than Petry in my eyes and he is a winner, the kids on D will look up to him and he can work with them to bring them along. Petry came off as a bit of a malcontent this season not sure how that played out in the room but it is what it is. As for Subban I see no more value in him he seems to have burnt out shame really I felt he would have had more time at a higher level.

I've never seen it written or heard that Petry had any problems with his teammates. It was unfortunate the treatment his wife was getting from the fans , totally unacceptable. The Covid rules are more relaxed now and the situation seems different now. I know Montreal is a giant hockey market , but being under a microscope beyond your job which is to( play hockey )is a reason a lot of players actually don't want to play in these markets sometimes. Letang probably would make us better. Does that work out to help for a draft position though? Slew foot Subban and his giant ego, definitely isn't what the team needs to teach the young players.

[electron58]

11 hours ago, CaptWelly said:

We could still keep Petry and let Wright play a season in the AHL without signing Letang or any additional players. Or we could get rid of everyone with any experience and become worse than Arizona teaching all the kids how it's okay to lose. Also making Montreal a place no one wants to sign with because if we go that route we could be bad easily for 5 + years! Oh wait it worked for Buffalo and Arizona they're perianal contenders now ......opps nope terrible without much hope. 

Don't think Shane Wright can play in AHL. It's NHL  or OHL.

[Regis22]

I dont know how accurate this is

UFA NHL Defence men 

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

Id rather re sign Ben Chiarot than PK Subban .

 

[electron58]

Canadiens’ Beauchamp-Molson Trophy  Goes to  Alexander Romanov.

[CaptWelly]

9 hours ago, Regis22 said:

I dont know how accurate this is

UFA NHL Defence men 

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

Id rather re sign Ben Chiarot than PK Subban .

 

I agree , I'd much rather have Chariot. 

[BigTed3]

10 hours ago, Regis22 said:

I dont know how accurate this is

UFA NHL Defence men 

https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/free-agents/defenseman/ufa/

Id rather re sign Ben Chiarot than PK Subban .

 

Look at the list of UFA defencemen. Then whittle it down to those who are right-handed and those who can play in the top 4. It's not a long list. On the left we have Romanov, Edmundson, Harris, Guhle, Schueneman, and Norlinder vying for spots. On the right, if we're trying to sign someone to replace Petry, then we have Savard, Barron, and maybe Wideman. It's paper thin. So who's out there?

- Letang

- Klingberg

- Subban

- Schultz

... that's pretty much it. Now the rumors are that Letang may be willing to leave Pittsburgh, but the rumors are also that he was upset with Pittsburgh's offer because he wanted a longer-term deal. If he's not signing with Pittsburgh for 2 years, he's not signing with us for 2 years. He's likely going to want a 4+ year deal and frankly it defeats the purpose of building for a 2024 Cup run with your current core if your line-up has a 37-38 year-old being paid 7-8M a season. So as much as Letang makes sense as a fit for us in terms of team needs and the connection Letang has to Quebec and to Hughes, the contract he is rumored to want doesn't make any sense for the stage of where we are. I'd rather keep Petry for 3 more years at 6.25M than pay more money and term to Letang. Letang at 7-7.5M for 2 years works for me. Longer than that doesn't, and those long-term deals to veterans who are 35+ are a huge risk.

- Klingberg likewise is rumored to want to break the bank. He's looking for his cash-in long-term deal, so again, is he worth being invested in for another 5-7 years? Again, I'd rather keep Petry.

- I put Schulz on here as an offensive option, but he's really more of a fringe top 4 guy and not someone you want to be playing a big role here.

- And then there's PK. Is he the ideal guy to bring back? Nope. But on the other hand, he loves the city and might come here on a discount, particularly if he's trying to revitalize his career and doesn't have a lot of openings elsewhere. So as opposed to Letang or Klingberg, who are both rumored to want longer term deals, Subban should be more likely to accept a 1- or 2-year prove-it deal. We bring you back to where you had success and the fans love you and where you get media hype, and you prove you can still play. Again, I would rather just keep Perty here than play the recycling game, but if you can't keep Petry, then Subban becomes a viable option as a fill-in until your Barrons and Harrises and so on are more mature. I'd personally rather sign Subban to a one-year 4.5M deal than Letang or Klingberg to 7-year deals that we come to regret and that hamper our cap in Cup run years down the line.

[Regis22]

15 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

- And then there's PK. Is he the ideal guy to bring back? Nope. But on the other hand, he loves the city and might come here on a discount, particularly if he's trying to revitalize his career and doesn't have a lot of openings elsewhere. So as opposed to Letang or Klingberg, who are both rumored to want longer term deals, Subban should be more likely to accept a 1- or 2-year prove-it deal. We bring you back to where you had success and the fans love you and where you get media hype, and you prove you can still play. Again, I would rather just keep Perty here than play the recycling game, but if you can't keep Petry, then Subban becomes a viable option as a fill-in until your Barrons and Harrises and so on are more mature. I'd personally rather sign Subban to a one-year 4.5M deal than Letang or Klingberg to 7-year deals that we come to regret and that hamper our cap in Cup run years down the line.

The sentimental choice yes .  

He doesn't need the media hype though he IS the media hype LOL

He can't still play , he's slow , he's poor defensively . 

By signing PK we would be doling what we were critical of  MB for doing all these years - signing an old, aging D man . 

https://www.allaboutthejersey.com/2021/2/24/22296046/p-k-subban-is-struggling-in-all-facets-of-the-game-for-the-devils

P.K. Subban Is Struggling In All Facets of the Game for the Devils

Subban is an all-situation defencemen for the Devils. And he’s not been particularly strong in any of them.

Just my opinion . 

 

[Regis22]

It’s funny a couple years ago we were discussing how the team needed a starting top pairing left handed D man. Here we are today, we still need that #1 LHD man but now we need a #1 RHD man too AND a maybe a starting goalie .  

[habsisme]

yeah I'd rather keep Petry than get in a long-term deal with any of those guys and he did say things have changed. I don't see why we have to move him if we don't get value back. We can see it ourselves, for many teams, he's a better option than anyone else available in free agency  

[KRH]

I like Petry, and I would not be inclined to ship him out at this time ........ but everything has a price.

[KRH]

Getting out from under Price's contract, and Weber's contract, and Gallagher's contract, and Hoffman's contract, and Savard's contract, are the real obstacles moving forward.

Why did we sign Hoffman and Savard ?