2021-22 Rumours

[ramcharger440]

29 minutes ago, electron58 said:

Kinda like Sami Niku?

He is better in his own zone and his shot is strong!

[ramcharger440]

11 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

He is better in his own zone and his shot is strong!

Forgot to mention, he won a memorial cup and world junior gold any guess who his coach was at world juniors? he was assistant captain on that team too.

[electron58]

25 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

He is better in his own zone and his shot is strong!

Actually,  their styles are similar.  Just noticed that he's bigger than what some of the sites list him at.

Kale Clague | #58
D | 6' 0" | 190 lb | Age: 23
 Montréal Canadiens

So he's got that going for him. As for defense? He's weak in his own zone,  as well. The other stuff should assure that he gets minutes.

[ramcharger440]

21 minutes ago, electron58 said:

Actually,  their styles are similar.  Just noticed that he's bigger than what some of the sites list him at.

Kale Clague | #58
D | 6' 0" | 190 lb | Age: 23
 Montréal Canadiens

So he's got that going for him. As for defense? He's weak in his own zone,  as well. The other stuff should assure that he gets minutes.

Guess we are going to find out soon.

[kinot-2]

Not sure what to think of this. Long story short:

So the rough deal would be something like:
to Edmonton: Carey Price at 1/4 Salary

to Montreal: Nugent-Hopkins, and first (lottery protected for THIS year only OR Edmonton could take Montreal’s 2023 first rounder, also Montreal would get a conditional 2nd from Edmonton (not sure on conditions, but it could be games played the remainder
Of the year and/or playoff rounds won)

To Third Team: Montreal’s second in 2023 and Edmonton fourth in 2023

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Source-Nugent-Hopkins-could-be-in-Carey-Price-Trade-e4-The-deal-is/1/115063

[habsisme]

1 minute ago, kinot-2 said:

Not sure what to think of this. Long story short:

So the rough deal would be something like:
to Edmonton: Carey Price at 1/4 Salary

to Montreal: Nugent-Hopkins, and first (lottery protected for THIS year only OR Edmonton could take Montreal’s 2023 first rounder, also Montreal would get a conditional 2nd from Edmonton (not sure on conditions, but it could be games played the remainder
Of the year and/or playoff rounds won)

To Third Team: Montreal’s second in 2023 and Edmonton fourth in 2023

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Source-Nugent-Hopkins-could-be-in-Carey-Price-Trade-e4-The-deal-is/1/115063

the third team thats taking 2.625 for 4 years for only a second and a fourth is my new favorite team. 

I don't know that we really should have much interest in RNH. So we're retaining half of price's salary to not have him, giving up a second, for a late first, conditional second, and an older but valuable player. I think I'd rather keep Price and if they're only pay 1/4 of his salary, I would replace RNH for 2 good prospects (and one of them would be going to the third team)

[claremont]

14 minutes ago, kinot-2 said:

Not sure what to think of this. Long story short:

So the rough deal would be something like:
to Edmonton: Carey Price at 1/4 Salary

to Montreal: Nugent-Hopkins, and first (lottery protected for THIS year only OR Edmonton could take Montreal’s 2023 first rounder, also Montreal would get a conditional 2nd from Edmonton (not sure on conditions, but it could be games played the remainder
Of the year and/or playoff rounds won)

To Third Team: Montreal’s second in 2023 and Edmonton fourth in 2023

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Source-Nugent-Hopkins-could-be-in-Carey-Price-Trade-e4-The-deal-is/1/115063

If want Xavier bourgault in the deal vs any draft choices 

[claremont]

1 hour ago, kinot-2 said:

Not sure what to think of this. Long story short:

So the rough deal would be something like:
to Edmonton: Carey Price at 1/4 Salary

to Montreal: Nugent-Hopkins, and first (lottery protected for THIS year only OR Edmonton could take Montreal’s 2023 first rounder, also Montreal would get a conditional 2nd from Edmonton (not sure on conditions, but it could be games played the remainder
Of the year and/or playoff rounds won)

To Third Team: Montreal’s second in 2023 and Edmonton fourth in 2023

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Source-Nugent-Hopkins-could-be-in-Carey-Price-Trade-e4-The-deal-is/1/115063

Not sure I see the merits of that deal - RNH has a NMC - why would he want to come to the Habs on a rebuild? 

[BigTed3]

1 hour ago, kinot-2 said:

Not sure what to think of this. Long story short:

So the rough deal would be something like:
to Edmonton: Carey Price at 1/4 Salary

to Montreal: Nugent-Hopkins, and first (lottery protected for THIS year only OR Edmonton could take Montreal’s 2023 first rounder, also Montreal would get a conditional 2nd from Edmonton (not sure on conditions, but it could be games played the remainder
Of the year and/or playoff rounds won)

To Third Team: Montreal’s second in 2023 and Edmonton fourth in 2023

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Source-Nugent-Hopkins-could-be-in-Carey-Price-Trade-e4-The-deal-is/1/115063

Yeah, not a deal I would make... if we're retaining 5.25M on Price's salary long-term and Edmonton is getting him for 2.6M against their own cap, we better be getting a heck of a lot more. If we're giving up a 2nd as well and maybe getting back a 2nd, then we're only getting RNH and a lottery-protected (ie lower 1st round choice) for Price. Keep in mind that Car got a 1st for taking Patrick Marleau's cap hit for one single season. If we're taking 4 years of cap hit that high, we'd best be getting a lot more. This deal would be a dumb trade for Montreal to make...

[claremont]

1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Yeah, not a deal I would make... if we're retaining 5.25M on Price's salary long-term and Edmonton is getting him for 2.6M against their own cap, we better be getting a heck of a lot more. If we're giving up a 2nd as well and maybe getting back a 2nd, then we're only getting RNH and a lottery-protected (ie lower 1st round choice) for Price. Keep in mind that Car got a 1st for taking Patrick Marleau's cap hit for one single season. If we're taking 4 years of cap hit that high, we'd best be getting a lot more. This deal would be a dumb trade for Montreal to make...

This would be a dumb trade for RNH with 7 years after this one to waive his NMC to come to Montreal unless he is parlayed into a subsequent trade 

[Graeme-1]

1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Yeah, not a deal I would make... if we're retaining 5.25M on Price's salary long-term and Edmonton is getting him for 2.6M against their own cap, we better be getting a heck of a lot more. If we're giving up a 2nd as well and maybe getting back a 2nd, then we're only getting RNH and a lottery-protected (ie lower 1st round choice) for Price. Keep in mind that Car got a 1st for taking Patrick Marleau's cap hit for one single season. If we're taking 4 years of cap hit that high, we'd best be getting a lot more. This deal would be a dumb trade for Montreal to make...

Not to mention the 3rd team: who is eating over 2.5 million in cap space 4 years in the future for a 2nd & 4th?

RNH is under contract for 7 years, most of them in his 30s. For a team that already has too much locked up long-term in older and/or non-elite players, adding another one (even if he'd be helpful in the short term) doesn't make a lot of sense for a rebuilding team.

I didn't realize Eklund was still doing his thing, I see not much has changed in the last decade.

[AH64]

17 hours ago, kinot-2 said:

Not sure what to think of this. Long story short:

So the rough deal would be something like:
to Edmonton: Carey Price at 1/4 Salary

to Montreal: Nugent-Hopkins, and first (lottery protected for THIS year only OR Edmonton could take Montreal’s 2023 first rounder, also Montreal would get a conditional 2nd from Edmonton (not sure on conditions, but it could be games played the remainder
Of the year and/or playoff rounds won)

To Third Team: Montreal’s second in 2023 and Edmonton fourth in 2023

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Source-Nugent-Hopkins-could-be-in-Carey-Price-Trade-e4-The-deal-is/1/115063

i hope not i dont like this deal at all.

[jennifer_rocket]

The good news is... Since this originated on HockeyBuzz we know it's not true. 

[claremont]

https://thehockeywriters.com/canadiens-5-players-wont-return-2022-23-season/?fbclid=IwAR1QaUGO8BxmESJtFto6QyGd3smV5JY8e5MY7opkKpFpsoYsvNRksWfIcrM
 

a bit of Captain obvious- Hoffman may be a difficult move given his contract value and term but he didn’t sign up for a rebuild 

[maas_art]

On 12/11/2021 at 4:04 PM, habsisme said:

the third team thats taking 2.625 for 4 years for only a second and a fourth is my new favorite team. 

I don't know that we really should have much interest in RNH. So we're retaining half of price's salary to not have him, giving up a second, for a late first, conditional second, and an older but valuable player. I think I'd rather keep Price and if they're only pay 1/4 of his salary, I would replace RNH for 2 good prospects (and one of them would be going to the third team)

yeah the ship has sailed with RNH. He's a good player but he's 28 and signed for 7 more years.  You arent getting great value out of that contract.   If they oilers want Price and there's salary being retained, I want a quality prospect like Bouchard. 

[AH64]

Edmonton will go with smith for the playoffs. i only see them trading for chiarot.

[maas_art]

32 minutes ago, AH64 said:

Edmonton will go with smith for the playoffs. i only see them trading for chiarot.

And that would be a huge mistake.

Edmonton has 2 of the most dynamic players in the NHL as well as a terrific supporting cast & they are going to hinge their playoff hopes on a 39 year old goalie with nearly 650 regular season games and on 29 post season matches.

That seems like a great way to waste yet another year of McDavid, Draitsaitl and co. 

[electron58]

2 hours ago, AH64 said:

Edmonton will go with smith for the playoffs. i only see them trading for chiarot.

I think they'll upgrade their goaltending, as well. Maybe a  blockbuster, with salary retained & salary coming back. Could be JA & big Ben, with 50 % salary retention on BC. If it involves CP, then a third team. Edmonton HAS to go for it.

[maas_art]

1 hour ago, electron58 said:

I think they'll upgrade their goaltending, as well. Maybe a  blockbuster, with salary retained & salary coming back. Could be JA & big Ben, with 50 % salary retention on BC. If it involves CP, then a third team. Edmonton HAS to go for it.

For our sake, I hope we dont package our players.  

No team is giving you more than 1 A-list prospect & ideally thats what we should be pushing for.  1sts are fine but the teams we're going to be trading with will mostly be late 1st rounders.  Id much rather have a guy who was drafted 1-2 years ago & is already on a projectable NHL path and while I think you can get a guy like that for several of our vets, id be shocked if anyone gave us more than 1 in a deal. 

[claremont]

5 minutes ago, maas_art said:

For our sake, I hope we dont package our players.  

No team is giving you more than 1 A-list prospect & ideally thats what we should be pushing for.  1sts are fine but the teams we're going to be trading with will mostly be late 1st rounders.  Id much rather have a guy who was drafted 1-2 years ago & is already on a projectable NHL path and while I think you can get a guy like that for several of our vets, id be shocked if anyone gave us more than 1 in a deal. 

Exactly my position that I have commented on in the past - much rather have a Centre prospect on a  trajectory path than wait another 2 years for a 2022 draft pick to mature. If that means pushing in a 2nd round or 3rd round pick as a balancing move, I’m all for it 

[ramcharger440]

4 minutes ago, claremont said:

Exactly my position that I have commented on in the past - much rather have a Centre prospect on a  trajectory path than wait another 2 years for a 2022 draft pick to mature. If that means pushing in a 2nd round or 3rd round pick as a balancing move, I’m all for it 

Have to agree! drafting is fun and all but unless it is truly someone like a McDavid or a Crosby you just don't know what they will be like down the road they are just kids really and projections are tough at that age. A player who is first or second year NHL is good because he will still be young and on the upswing and you have a good idea what he is and will be. Most teams are not going to want to give up top tier young talent unless they are so close they feel they can get it done and there is no tomorrow for them. The big question is what can we really get for both short term and long term players for what we can put out there now? it seems simple sell our best older players for as much as we can get for the future the trick will be who do we keep that is young and good and can we either keep or get a core that will win and have the attitude that winning is all that matters. If we just blow it all up we can get a load of talent in here pretty fast but will they gel? will there be 2-3 clicks that won't play nice with the other ones? look at Edmonton they had so many top tier player cycle through there they had no team ethic at all for years guys just played for stats to get a big contract either there or on another team. the one thing we had in the spring during the playoffs was team spirit you could see the y guys were willing to do anything for the other guy's if we had that and more talent we would have won the cup! It is going to be interesting to see what Gorton thinks is the best path! I think he has a good idea what the players we have left can do now it is his turn.

[maas_art]

1 hour ago, ramcharger440 said:

Have to agree! drafting is fun and all but unless it is truly someone like a McDavid or a Crosby you just don't know what they will be like down the road they are just kids really and projections are tough at that age.

Even then... Yashin was supposed to be a Lafleur/Savard hybrid.   Yakopov was the next Ovechkin.   You never know until they start playing at higher levels.  

[electron58]

9 hours ago, maas_art said:

For our sake, I hope we don't package our players.  

No team is giving you more than 1 A-list prospect & ideally that's what we should be pushing for.  1sts are fine but the teams we're going to be trading with will mostly be late 1st rounders.  Id much rather have a guy who was drafted 1-2 years ago & is already on a projectable NHL path and while I think you can get a guy like that for several of our vets, id be shocked if anyone gave us more than 1 in a deal. 

Just because you package players, does not mean your return is low. If we get a first & a high end prospect a la Evan Bouchard (their top prospect) or a Raphael Lavoie (6th) or a   Xavier Bourgault (8th) or just 2 high end prospects and salary retained or salary coming back , it can work. Of course, JG will look at all options, but I believe Edmonton is all in, and may be willing to make, for us, a generous deal.  There will be other sellers, so, we don't want to wait til the last minute if it means stocking up the cupboard now.  Plus, they can be brought up to get some experience. 

[seth505]

On 12/12/2021 at 9:52 AM, AH64 said:

i hope not i dont like this deal at all.

Ya, I think I can see the writing on the wall if that were to go through.  1-3 years in we feel like we are trapped with an older declining play player who is aging and everyone freaks out/blaming management on how they gave away Price.

[AH64]

22 hours ago, maas_art said:

And that would be a huge mistake.

Edmonton has 2 of the most dynamic players in the NHL as well as a terrific supporting cast & they are going to hinge their playoff hopes on a 39 year old goalie with nearly 650 regular season games and on 29 post season matches.

That seems like a great way to waste yet another year of McDavid, Draitsaitl and co. 

i just dont see the price family wanting to go to Edmonton. Angela has a huge say in what they do. We shall see at the deadline!