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24 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

From Colorado's perspective, Girard has been rumored to be a trade chip for them for a while, with Bowen Byram's emergence as a potential replacement. Now they've also been linked to Giroux, as per Elliotte Friedman. You can say you don't think Giroux is worth that much, but a lot of that is because of his salary of 8M. He's not worth paying that amount. But in my trade scenario, Colorado is getting Giroux for 2M and Chiarot for under 1M, so they're paying to get those guys on the cheap.

Giroux has 15 goals and 34 points in 40 games this year (on pace for over 30 goals and close to 70 points) and by all accounts from Philly media has been their best player. Last year, he was also their best player and had 43 points in 54 games. He was a more than PPG player just 4 and 5 years ago and he's still producing at a high clip since then. So you look at what other rentals have fetched at the deadline in past years, and for Colorado to get a top-end player on an expiring contract at a cap hit of 2M, yeah, they're going to have to pay for that. As I said, I won't jump in Colorado's head and figure out if they accept that price or not, but if they want Giroux and feel like that makes them favorites to come out of the West, and they're okay with giving up Girard and have a stand-in in Chiarot and a long-term plan for Byram, then it means they're giving up what they deem to be expendable parts in order to fill holes they have now to win in their window.

Its sound reasoning & who knows what will happen but i still think Colorado is more worried about their goaltending than any other position. Are they really going deep with Kuemper and Francouz as their guys?    Maybe but considering they've had goaltending concerns in the playoffs in the past & they sure look stacked in most other positions... 

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1 hour ago, maas_art said:

Its sound reasoning & who knows what will happen but i still think Colorado is more worried about their goaltending than any other position. Are they really going deep with Kuemper and Francouz as their guys?    Maybe but considering they've had goaltending concerns in the playoffs in the past & they sure look stacked in most other positions... 

Maybe, but on the other hand they paid a premium to get Kuemper this past year, giving up a 1st, a blue chip prospect, and a conditional 3rd. And as I've posted about before, Kuemper has been a starter and has career numbers virtually identical to Allen's. Is Jake Allen a top 10 goalie in the league? No. But he's a passable starter and decent value for what you're paying him. Among starting goalies, Kuemper is 18th with a .913 save percentage this year and he's a .916 for his career, which is pretty decent. His numbers this year are better than those of Hellebucyk, Fleury, Lehner, Talbot, Merzlikins, Binnington, Grubauer, and a number of other goalies who could be playoff-bound. So while he's not a star, I'm also not sure who Colorado thinks they might acquire in season who would be an upgrade. I don't see Florida trading Bobrosvky when they're a Cup contender, so the only guys out there whom you might see as potential upgrades just based on experience would be MAF and Carey.

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1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

Im not expecting anything blockbuster. 

Probably a player ( who will be an UFA next yr   :D ) for  " things "  

Yeah i think we'll move on from some of the obvious candidates (Chiarot, Lehks, maybe a guy like Kulak or Wideman if someone offers us assets) but i doubt there will be anything major during the season.

I do think we'll see a big splash at or by the draft though. 

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Yeah, I'm hoping this leadership team will do a better job of drafting and developing high-end talent through the draft. Bergevin made some solid trades for this team, but he never seemed to be able to hit a homerun in the draft.

Not too concerned about possible trades. Leading up to the deadline we'll be sellers of course. We'll see what picks/prospects we get in return.

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5 hours ago, maas_art said:

Yeah i think we'll move on from some of the obvious candidates (Chiarot, Lehks, maybe a guy like Kulak or Wideman if someone offers us assets) but i doubt there will be anything major during the season.

I do think we'll see a big splash at or by the draft though. 

I’m interested in the Lehks trade for Ranger prospects  (very hopeful we could extract Nils Lundkvist- 2018 28th overall who could be our future RHD puck mover, or Braden Schneider - big solid 19th overall 2020 RHD who isn’t a real puck mover but solidifies that side). Rags have Trouba and Fox so their RHD is strong. 
Also what prospects we might get for Chiarot 

if we are just getting 2023 draft picks regardless of the 2023 Bedard lottery, it sets our rebuild timing further out, so I’m not as exited. To suggest we gamble for more 2023 picks on that low chance doesn’t appeal to me as a tactic / strategy 

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3 hours ago, electron58 said:

I would like to see some sooner rather than later.   Gonna be a lotta seller's.  😩

yeah I'm starting to really worry about this. I know the keep saying a first (and even a first plus) but there's gonna be a lot of players available and I'm not sure how many buyers there will be

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3 hours ago, habsisme said:

yeah I'm starting to really worry about this. I know they keep saying a first (and even a first plus) but there's gonna be a lot of players available and I'm not sure how many buyers there will be

We just have to hope that there aren't similar type players that can bring what Big Ben brings. (say that 3 times as fast as you can) As a prototype playoff NHL defenseman,  maybe his value stays high. And as others have mentioned,  let's go after a high end prospect instead, with maybe an additional 2nd rounder.

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Identify who is not part of the future. Put together the best package or packages possible  including retaining as much salary as possible for this year only. Then  go after prospects with highest ceiling regardless of position.|Choose quality over quantity.

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3 minutes ago, tony5775 said:

The two players we need to turn this team around are Girard and Chychrun, both apparently available. What would you being willing to give up to bring in those two guys. 

I don't know how Chychrun makes sense to anyone, it's just too expensive, I don't think he leaves Arizona this year or off-season. And Girard I don't think is exactly being shopped, they're not giving him up cheap and for no reason

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3 hours ago, Paul Martin said:

Identify who is not part of the future. Put together the best package or packages possible  including retaining as much salary as possible for this year only. Then  go after prospects with highest ceiling regardless of position.|Choose quality over quantity.

you can't do that. when you retain salary its for the life of the contract

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47 minutes ago, habsisme said:

you can't do that. when you retain salary its for the life of the contract

Also need to remember that a team can only have 3 retained salaries at a time in any given year and the total amount of salary retained cannot exceed 15% of the total salary cap. That 2nd rule isn't likely to be an issue, but if you trade Price and retain 5.25M as some have suggested and trade Petry and retain 3.125M, it leaves you handcuffed with only being able to retain one more retained salary for the next 3 years in addition to counting over 8M of dead cap space per season. It's just not great cap economics.

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20 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Also need to remember that a team can only have 3 retained salaries at a time in any given year and the total amount of salary retained cannot exceed 15% of the total salary cap. That 2nd rule isn't likely to be an issue, but if you trade Price and retain 5.25M as some have suggested and trade Petry and retain 3.125M, it leaves you handcuffed with only being able to retain one more retained salary for the next 3 years in addition to counting over 8M of dead cap space per season. It's just not great cap economics.

oh I didn't realize that, but other than players signed for 2 years or less, the only contract it may make sense to retain salary long term is Price but the return would have to be sgnigicant for it to be worth it

I don't think we need to retain salary on Petry or anyone else. They're not BAD contracts or bad players. If we want to move Gallagher or Petry I'm sure we can without retaining anything

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I'm in no rush to trade Price or Petry right now.

Price appears to be struggling to rehab and come back from injury. So... Whether or not he can/cannot come back from injury and when is something that needs to get resolved before dealing him and worrying about retained salary.

Petry's had a terrible season (like everyone). I don't see a reason to trade him when his value is at its lowest point since he arrived in Montreal. I would perhaps consider dealing him next season if he can start playing better.

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1 hour ago, jennifer_rocket said:

I'm in no rush to trade Price or Petry right now.

Price appears to be struggling to rehab and come back from injury. So... Whether or not he can/cannot come back from injury and when is something that needs to get resolved before dealing him and worrying about retained salary.

Petry's had a terrible season (like everyone). I don't see a reason to trade him when his value is at its lowest point since he arrived in Montreal. I would perhaps consider dealing him next season if he can start playing better.

I want to see Petry play with Eddy again before I decide he is toast or not. he sure is not playing well but the D situation is so bad right now he is under insane pressure to be the guy! and one guy is not enough!

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24 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

I want to see Petry play with Eddy again before I decide he is toast or not. he sure is not playing well but the D situation is so bad right now he is under insane pressure to be the guy! and one guy is not enough!

This. And also to see how Petry does with a real coach. Put guys back in an actual system and that will help too. Give them NHL-quality goalies. The line-up is so depleted right now that it makes our better players look bad too. Players like Petry, Suzuki, Toffoli, Anderson, Gallagher, etc. are legitimate NHL players. I think they'll be better if given better elements to play with and a better system. No point in trading a guy at his lowest possible value, that was Marc Bergevin's specialty. We should be trading guys right now who won't be back next year (Chiarot, Kulak, Perreault, Wideman, etc.) or who have actually maintained value throughout this season and might get us a return (Lehkonen, Drouin, maybe Allen if a team is willing to wait out  his injury). There's zero point in trading Petry, Byron, Armia, Price, or others whose values are at an all-time low.

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42 minutes ago, ramcharger440 said:

I want to see Petry play with Eddy again before I decide he is toast or not. he sure is not playing well but the D situation is so bad right now he is under insane pressure to be the guy! and one guy is not enough!

 

14 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

This. And also to see how Petry does with a real coach. Put guys back in an actual system and that will help too. Give them NHL-quality goalies. The line-up is so depleted right now that it makes our better players look bad too. Players like Petry, Suzuki, Toffoli, Anderson, Gallagher, etc. are legitimate NHL players. I think they'll be better if given better elements to play with and a better system. No point in trading a guy at his lowest possible value, that was Marc Bergevin's specialty. We should be trading guys right now who won't be back next year (Chiarot, Kulak, Perreault, Wideman, etc.) or who have actually maintained value throughout this season and might get us a return (Lehkonen, Drouin, maybe Allen if a team is willing to wait out  his injury). There's zero point in trading Petry, Byron, Armia, Price, or others whose values are at an all-time low.

I agree, guys don't normally go from having career years to dropping of a cliff in 3 months. One of the things I learned from Hughes announcement yesterday about trading Petry if the opportunity arose that was good for both sides is that Jeff and his family are going through some very very trying times. He used to bring his boys and wife up to Montreal for the season and they went to school here and he would see them on a regular basis. Now however since he had to send them back to the states they hardly see each other, I couldn't even imagine not seeing my family for what has it been going on 3 months now. Plus the injuries and restrictions from covid and everything else going on with the team. Petry must be dealing with an immense amount of pressure and depression which as we have seen with Drouin will affect his on ice performance. I hope Jeff has a great support system and wish him the best in dealing with all of this crap covid has brought. I hope he chooses to stay with the Habs as he is such a great guy.

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I would move Petry for a bag of pucks if anyone will take his complete contract.  Guy has shown no character this year whatsoever and play has been horrible.  Got  his new deal look what happened.  Clearly doesn't care anything about the team now.

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