2021-22 Rumours

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7 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

So Ryan McDonagh just got dealt from TB to Nashville for Philippe Myers and a 2017 2nd rounder named Grant Mishmash, who is 23 and has never played an NHL game. Myers can be bought out and actually give the Lightning 600k+ in cap space this year with a 600k+ penalty next year. So this was essentially a cap dump for TB. FWIW, McDo is set to earn 6.75M for 4 more years and is 33. Petry is one year older at 34 and has 3 years left at 6.25M. McDo is thought to be a better defensive defenceman but Petry is better offensively. But there's a comparable for you. Now Montreal is not in as much of a cap predicament as TB, in that they aren't pressing to win a Cup this year and don't need to be efficient in their spending. So there's no need to force a trade from the Habs' end of things. But it also goes to show that Petry probably won't have huge trade value on his own and that the Habs may be better off holding on to him until there's less term left on his deal. Pittsburgh is also rumored to be close to signing Letang to a 5-year deal for 7-8M a year, which likely takes them out of the running for Petry. And with Nashville adding McDo, they're out too. So suitors could include Phi, Dal, Clb, Ana, NYI, Det, etc. (and I'm assuming he's not waiving to go to another Canadian team).

So now let's look at that deal you mentioned. Dvorak was acquired for a 1st and a 2nd, and by all accounts, his value across the league is pretty similar to what it was when we acquired him. A lot of teams in the West felt like he had an off-year playing for a bad coach and a bad team, but he also has one less year of term on his contract. So let's say a 1st + 2nd is still the going rate for Dvorak. JVR has 7M left for one more year and he's essentially negative value at this moment. If you compare him to Patrick Marleau, who was dealt by Toronto to Carolina with under 7M on the last year of his contract, it cost Toronto the 13th overall pick to make that happen. Lindblom doesn't add any value to me. He's a bottom 6 winger making 3M a season and entering the last year of his deal. We don't need him, and I don't think Philly needs to get rid of him either. So I'll just remove that part of the equation. Taking all of that into account (Petry with near-zero value, Dvorak worth 1st + 2nd, and JVR requiring a 1st to get rid of, it would mean the Flyers would be getting value in that trade equivalent to two 1st's and a 2nd. Is the 5th overall enough to make that work out? if we go to The Athletic's draft pick value chart, the 5th overall has a value of 8.2. Two average 1st round picks (16th and 17th overall) would be worth a combined value of 9.2 and a mid-2nd worth 1.7, for a total of 10.9. To make this work, then, the Flyers would need to add in another asset equivalent to the 32nd overall pick, according to this chart. The bottom line is that the Habs could seemingly get better value for dealing two assets AND taking on a very bad contract.

I agree, we should get more, but I would make that trade

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29 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

So Ryan McDonagh just got dealt from TB to Nashville for Philippe Myers and a 2017 2nd rounder named Grant Mishmash, who is 23 and has never played an NHL game. Myers can be bought out and actually give the Lightning 600k+ in cap space this year with a 600k+ penalty next year. So this was essentially a cap dump for TB. FWIW, McDo is set to earn 6.75M for 4 more years and is 33. Petry is one year older at 34 and has 3 years left at 6.25M. McDo is thought to be a better defensive defenceman but Petry is better offensively. But there's a comparable for you. Now Montreal is not in as much of a cap predicament as TB, in that they aren't pressing to win a Cup this year and don't need to be efficient in their spending. So there's no need to force a trade from the Habs' end of things. But it also goes to show that Petry probably won't have huge trade value on his own and that the Habs may be better off holding on to him until there's less term left on his deal. Pittsburgh is also rumored to be close to signing Letang to a 5-year deal for 7-8M a year, which likely takes them out of the running for Petry. And with Nashville adding McDo, they're out too. So suitors could include Phi, Dal, Clb, Ana, NYI, Det, etc. (and I'm assuming he's not waiving to go to another Canadian team).

 

Just looking at the Nashville McDonagh deal in isolation to your comment - The Preds are now loaded up on the LHD side of their D with Josi, Ekholm, McDonagh. Their RHD side is very challenged with Fabbro and Lauzon. With 18M in cap room and granted they have to sign Forsberg or an equivalent scorer for 40G 40A, and find some secondary scoring. They are set in net with Saros. I suspect the Preds take a run at a RHD of Klingberg, or think about Petry (especially if we provide some sort of salary retention), as they have little in their RHD prospect pool. What a sizeable D the Preds would have as the left are all 6-1 or bigger and 210 lbs plus with Klingberg or Petry being no midgets. Could Petry be acquired for their 17th overall pick and some change?

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6 minutes ago, claremont said:

Just looking at the Nashville McDonagh deal in isolation to your comment - The Preds are now loaded up on the LHD side of their D with Josi, Ekholm, McDonagh. Their RHD side is very challenged with Fabbro and Lauzon. With 18M in cap room and granted they have to sign Forsberg or an equivalent scorer for 40G 40A, and find some secondary scoring. They are set in net with Saros. I suspect the Preds take a run at a RHD of Klingberg, or think about Petry (especially if we provide some sort of salary retention), as they have little in their RHD prospect pool. What a sizeable D the Preds would have as the left are all 6-1 or bigger and 210 lbs plus with Klingberg or Petry being no midgets. Could Petry be acquired for their 17th overall pick and some change?

if we retain salary I think he might be worth that much, but otherwise he has little value. Preds are the rare team with salary cap space that is trying to win, while I suspect there are a lot of teams with Petry's to give up for salary cap room

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40 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

So Ryan McDonagh just got dealt from TB to Nashville for Philippe Myers and a 2017 2nd rounder named Grant Mishmash, who is 23 and has never played an NHL game. Myers can be bought out and actually give the Lightning 600k+ in cap space this year with a 600k+ penalty next year. So this was essentially a cap dump for TB. FWIW, McDo is set to earn 6.75M for 4 more years and is 33. Petry is one year older at 34 and has 3 years left at 6.25M. McDo is thought to be a better defensive defenceman but Petry is better offensively. But there's a comparable for you. Now Montreal is not in as much of a cap predicament as TB, in that they aren't pressing to win a Cup this year and don't need to be efficient in their spending. So there's no need to force a trade from the Habs' end of things. But it also goes to show that Petry probably won't have huge trade value on his own and that the Habs may be better off holding on to him until there's less term left on his deal. Pittsburgh is also rumored to be close to signing Letang to a 5-year deal for 7-8M a year, which likely takes them out of the running for Petry. And with Nashville adding McDo, they're out too. So suitors could include Phi, Dal, Clb, Ana, NYI, Det, etc. (and I'm assuming he's not waiving to go to another Canadian team).

So now let's look at that deal you mentioned. Dvorak was acquired for a 1st and a 2nd, and by all accounts, his value across the league is pretty similar to what it was when we acquired him. A lot of teams in the West felt like he had an off-year playing for a bad coach and a bad team, but he also has one less year of term on his contract. So let's say a 1st + 2nd is still the going rate for Dvorak. JVR has 7M left for one more year and he's essentially negative value at this moment. If you compare him to Patrick Marleau, who was dealt by Toronto to Carolina with under 7M on the last year of his contract, it cost Toronto the 13th overall pick to make that happen. Lindblom doesn't add any value to me. He's a bottom 6 winger making 3M a season and entering the last year of his deal. We don't need him, and I don't think Philly needs to get rid of him either. So I'll just remove that part of the equation. Taking all of that into account (Petry with near-zero value, Dvorak worth 1st + 2nd, and JVR requiring a 1st to get rid of, it would mean the Flyers would be getting value in that trade equivalent to two 1st's and a 2nd. Is the 5th overall enough to make that work out? if we go to The Athletic's draft pick value chart, the 5th overall has a value of 8.2. Two average 1st round picks (16th and 17th overall) would be worth a combined value of 9.2 and a mid-2nd worth 1.7, for a total of 10.9. To make this work, then, the Flyers would need to add in another asset equivalent to the 32nd overall pick, according to this chart. The bottom line is that the Habs could seemingly get better value for dealing two assets AND taking on a very bad contract.

You may have missed it but I did say that I swapped Lindblom for Risto to replace some of the offense we lose from Petry but I also added an additional 2nd from the Habs. Now I don't think McDo can be used as a comp since the Bolts were only interested in shedding cap and the Habs don't need to make much cap room (if any with the potential of Price on LTIR). We simply have more options to create cap space than the Bolts did. Petry I believe has a value more in line with Chiarot's return. However I do think that it would be prospects instead of picks. Similarly the Flyers aren't in as much of a cap squeeze as the Leafs were at the time of the Marleau trade so I don't think they would have to pay a 1st to dump JVR.

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59 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

So now let's look at that deal you mentioned. Dvorak was acquired for a 1st and a 2nd, and by all accounts, his value across the league is pretty similar to what it was when we acquired him. A lot of teams in the West felt like he had an off-year playing for a bad coach and a bad team, but he also has one less year of term on his contract. So let's say a 1st + 2nd is still the going rate for Dvorak. JVR has 7M left for one more year and he's essentially negative value at this moment. If you compare him to Patrick Marleau, who was dealt by Toronto to Carolina with under 7M on the last year of his contract, it cost Toronto the 13th overall pick to make that happen. Lindblom doesn't add any value to me. He's a bottom 6 winger making 3M a season and entering the last year of his deal. We don't need him, and I don't think Philly needs to get rid of him either. So I'll just remove that part of the equation. Taking all of that into account (Petry with near-zero value, Dvorak worth 1st + 2nd, and JVR requiring a 1st to get rid of, it would mean the Flyers would be getting value in that trade equivalent to two 1st's and a 2nd. Is the 5th overall enough to make that work out? if we go to The Athletic's draft pick value chart, the 5th overall has a value of 8.2. Two average 1st round picks (16th and 17th overall) would be worth a combined value of 9.2 and a mid-2nd worth 1.7, for a total of 10.9. To make this work, then, the Flyers would need to add in another asset equivalent to the 32nd overall pick, according to this chart. The bottom line is that the Habs could seemingly get better value for dealing two assets AND taking on a very bad contract.

I would agree with you on the Dvorak and Petry being an overpayment. Still the Flyers 5th overall pick might be our best play and Jiricek would be a great consolation prize assuming the top 4 are Wright, Slaf, Cooley, Nemec. The issue remains as what could be the Habs enticement. From a Flyers perspective they are cap challenged with $5M room and still have to sign bridge deals on Morgan Frost (cheap), and Owen Tippett - both of whom don;t have much bargaining room. They are certainly going to miss Giroux and his 20G, 50 pts. production, but Dvorak is not likely that solution, and they have C - Couturier, C- Hayes, a young Centre prospect besides Frost in Tyson Foerster so I am not certain there is much value add in acquiring Dvorak. From All reports, RHD Ryan Ellis will return from a Pelvic injury for training camp, so they should have 2 RHD in Ristolainen and Ellis to compliment Sanheim, Provorov and the up and coming Cam York, but certainly Petry would provde some injury depth insurance. There might be value in Petry with Salary retention for JVR and their first round pick. Josh Anderson could be another alternative - Anderson for Lindblom plus the first although this could be a stretch for this pick. 

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1 hour ago, claremont said:

I would agree with you on the Dvorak and Petry being an overpayment. Still the Flyers 5th overall pick might be our best play and Jiricek would be a great consolation prize assuming the top 4 are Wright, Slaf, Cooley, Nemec. The issue remains as what could be the Habs enticement. From a Flyers perspective they are cap challenged with $5M room and still have to sign bridge deals on Morgan Frost (cheap), and Owen Tippett - both of whom don;t have much bargaining room. They are certainly going to miss Giroux and his 20G, 50 pts. production, but Dvorak is not likely that solution, and they have C - Couturier, C- Hayes, a young Centre prospect besides Frost in Tyson Foerster so I am not certain there is much value add in acquiring Dvorak. From All reports, RHD Ryan Ellis will return from a Pelvic injury for training camp, so they should have 2 RHD in Ristolainen and Ellis to compliment Sanheim, Provorov and the up and coming Cam York, but certainly Petry would provde some injury depth insurance. There might be value in Petry with Salary retention for JVR and their first round pick. Josh Anderson could be another alternative - Anderson for Lindblom plus the first although this could be a stretch for this pick. 

TBH, I could see the top 4 being Wright, Slafkovsky, Cooley, Gauthier. Seattle has Beniers who looks like he could be ready next season. For them to get Gauthier at 4th that would give them a center lineup similar to what we would have in Suzuki-Wright-Dvorak. I am not sure they can afford to pass on that. Even if Gauthier turns out to be a better winger than center it is still a solid pick for the Kraken. The reason Montreal considers it would be exactly what Hughes said he wants. Speed and skill on the back end and he has been making a play for another top 10 pick so he already has someone he wants in mind.

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Unless the return was substantial (ie a top 10 pick and a top young prospect) I wouldnt be trading guys like Petry, Anderson, Dvorak etc as a package. Certainly I'd package less desirable players like Hoffman or Savard or even Gallagher (Good player, bad contract) with one of those guys but i think there are some veteran assets that we can get a decent return on & sending them off together would ultimately bring us less compensation. 

[BigTed3]

28 minutes ago, maas_art said:

Unless the return was substantial (ie a top 10 pick and a top young prospect) I wouldnt be trading guys like Petry, Anderson, Dvorak etc as a package. Certainly I'd package less desirable players like Hoffman or Savard or even Gallagher (Good player, bad contract) with one of those guys but i think there are some veteran assets that we can get a decent return on & sending them off together would ultimately bring us less compensation. 

Where I stand on these guys right now:

- Petry: may not have great trade value right now and is still a very valuable player for us, so I'd keep him if we're not getting a nice offer. I think he'll be worth more in a year.

- Dvorak: seems to be getting traction in trade talk. I don't see him as part of the longterm solution here, so I'm willing to trade him if we get similar value back as what we paid for him. I don't think his value will drop much in the next year, so also willing to hold on and be patient here.

- Anderson: seems to have high value right now. I'd trade him if we can get a top 10 pick back this year or an unprotected 2023 1st from a team that's not a lock to make the playoffs. Again, no rush to trade him from our end, but I do think we'll get an offer that would make it worth trading him.

- Armia: like Anderson, I think we might get an offer here that allows us to move him. He was impressive in international play and other teams still remember how effective he was in the post-season two years ago.

- Hoffman: I'd dump him for minimal/no return if it meant we got out from his contract

- Savard: I'd dump him for minimal/no return if it meant we got out from his contract. However, I think his presence and over-usage actually helps us get a good draft pick next year, so I might actually hold him til the trade deadline and move him then. Might get something of a return back at that point too.

- Gallagher: he still has value to us, but there's no way he'll be able to live up to his contract. If we get a reasonable offer now, I'd move him out. He's the biggest handicap to our cap situation in the 3-5 year window where we want to be competitive.

- Price: so much risk to continue holding onto him. On the other hand, other teams aren't paying for the risk and cap hit. So I'd start him here and consider moving him if he plays well enough to convince someone he can still lead a team.

- Allen: with so many teams without goalies, I think he's a very attractive option, especially given his low cap hit. You can argue that we'd get a decent return next trade deadline too, but at the deadline, he's likely being acquired as a back-up or 1B goalie or maybe an injury replacement. If we trade him now, then it becomes more like the Kuemper trade, where someone is looking at him as a 1A. This isn't the case that his cap hit is high and there's a benefit for a team to wait til the deadline. I'd deal him now. And again, playing Montembeault or Primeau helps our Bedard odds more than playing Allen in a wasted season.

- Drouin: as I've said, I don't see him coming back in 2023-24. So he's either gone now or at the deadline. I think his value will be higher at the deadline if he can stay healthy enough. On an expiring contract where we can eat money, he could bring back a nice return then. So I'd hold onto him for now and trade him in-season at a time when he's on a nice streak. If we trade Dvorak now, I'm also not opposed to giving him another go as the 2C and seeing if we can prop up his value that way too.

- Byron: limited value right now, so I'd hold onto him as a veteran role model for the younger kids and maybe ship him out at the deadline if we can get some type of return then.

So in short, the guys at the top of my list to move this summer would be Hoffman, Gallagher, Allen, Dvorak, Anderson, and Armia. Drouin, Savard, Byron, and Petry would be guys I likely hold onto for now and try to trade later when their values are higher.

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1 hour ago, BigTed3 said:

Where I stand on these guys right now:

- Petry: may not have great trade value right now and is still a very valuable player for us, so I'd keep him if we're not getting a nice offer. I think he'll be worth more in a year.

- Dvorak: seems to be getting traction in trade talk. I don't see him as part of the longterm solution here, so I'm willing to trade him if we get similar value back as what we paid for him. I don't think his value will drop much in the next year, so also willing to hold on and be patient here.

- Anderson: seems to have high value right now. I'd trade him if we can get a top 10 pick back this year or an unprotected 2023 1st from a team that's not a lock to make the playoffs. Again, no rush to trade him from our end, but I do think we'll get an offer that would make it worth trading him.

- Armia: like Anderson, I think we might get an offer here that allows us to move him. He was impressive in international play and other teams still remember how effective he was in the post-season two years ago.

- Hoffman: I'd dump him for minimal/no return if it meant we got out from his contract

- Savard: I'd dump him for minimal/no return if it meant we got out from his contract. However, I think his presence and over-usage actually helps us get a good draft pick next year, so I might actually hold him til the trade deadline and move him then. Might get something of a return back at that point too.

- Gallagher: he still has value to us, but there's no way he'll be able to live up to his contract. If we get a reasonable offer now, I'd move him out. He's the biggest handicap to our cap situation in the 3-5 year window where we want to be competitive.

- Price: so much risk to continue holding onto him. On the other hand, other teams aren't paying for the risk and cap hit. So I'd start him here and consider moving him if he plays well enough to convince someone he can still lead a team.

- Allen: with so many teams without goalies, I think he's a very attractive option, especially given his low cap hit. You can argue that we'd get a decent return next trade deadline too, but at the deadline, he's likely being acquired as a back-up or 1B goalie or maybe an injury replacement. If we trade him now, then it becomes more like the Kuemper trade, where someone is looking at him as a 1A. This isn't the case that his cap hit is high and there's a benefit for a team to wait til the deadline. I'd deal him now. And again, playing Montembeault or Primeau helps our Bedard odds more than playing Allen in a wasted season.

- Drouin: as I've said, I don't see him coming back in 2023-24. So he's either gone now or at the deadline. I think his value will be higher at the deadline if he can stay healthy enough. On an expiring contract where we can eat money, he could bring back a nice return then. So I'd hold onto him for now and trade him in-season at a time when he's on a nice streak. If we trade Dvorak now, I'm also not opposed to giving him another go as the 2C and seeing if we can prop up his value that way too.

- Byron: limited value right now, so I'd hold onto him as a veteran role model for the younger kids and maybe ship him out at the deadline if we can get some type of return then.

So in short, the guys at the top of my list to move this summer would be Hoffman, Gallagher, Allen, Dvorak, Anderson, and Armia. Drouin, Savard, Byron, and Petry would be guys I likely hold onto for now and try to trade later when their values are higher.

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[BigTed3]

Came across a tweet by someone named Maxim Guerin who is a podcaster and claims to be a consultant for NHL central scouting... never heard of him before. Anyways, FWIW, he says Habs do have a trade in place that they have worked on to move Petry out but that making this deal is contingent on their being able to bring in another RHD by trade to replace Petry and that the 33rd overall pick would be heading the other way to make this happen.

In a separate statement, he also speculated that the Habs haven't re-signed Romanov because their goal is to move up for a 2nd top 10 pick to try and nab Nemec or Jiricek. He says if that happens, they would use that against Romanov in contract negotiations.

Again, completely unverified source here. I have a hard time believing drafting Nemec or Jiricek would affect a Romanov signing this year when those players are unproven and not NHL-bound right away. I do think the Habs will want a replacement for Petry if they deal him and that the UFA market being thin, this may need to come via trade. There have been rumors the Habs have looked at Ethan Bear, but he's hardly a replacement for Petry and he shouldn't cost the 33rd overall choice (which is essentially like acquiring a 1st rounder in a random trade deadline deal). Not aware of anyone else specific the Habs might have in mind.

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19 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Came across a tweet by someone named Maxim Guerin who is a podcaster and claims to be a consultant for NHL central scouting... never heard of him before. Anyways, FWIW, he says Habs do have a trade in place that they have worked on to move Petry out but that making this deal is contingent on their being able to bring in another RHD by trade to replace Petry and that the 33rd overall pick would be heading the other way to make this happen.

In a separate statement, he also speculated that the Habs haven't re-signed Romanov because their goal is to move up for a 2nd top 10 pick to try and nab Nemec or Jiricek. He says if that happens, they would use that against Romanov in contract negotiations.

Again, completely unverified source here. I have a hard time believing drafting Nemec or Jiricek would affect a Romanov signing this year when those players are unproven and not NHL-bound right away. I do think the Habs will want a replacement for Petry if they deal him and that the UFA market being thin, this may need to come via trade. There have been rumors the Habs have looked at Ethan Bear, but he's hardly a replacement for Petry and he shouldn't cost the 33rd overall choice (which is essentially like acquiring a 1st rounder in a random trade deadline deal). Not aware of anyone else specific the Habs might have in mind.

I would prefer to just not replace him and let the kids play, unless you're bringing in a good young RHD

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9 hours ago, BigTed3 said:

Came across a tweet by someone named Maxim Guerin who is a podcaster and claims to be a consultant for NHL central scouting... never heard of him before. Anyways, FWIW, he says Habs do have a trade in place that they have worked on to move Petry out but that making this deal is contingent on their being able to bring in another RHD by trade to replace Petry and that the 33rd overall pick would be heading the other way to make this happen.

In a separate statement, he also speculated that the Habs haven't re-signed Romanov because their goal is to move up for a 2nd top 10 pick to try and nab Nemec or Jiricek. He says if that happens, they would use that against Romanov in contract negotiations.

Again, completely unverified source here. I have a hard time believing drafting Nemec or Jiricek would affect a Romanov signing this year when those players are unproven and not NHL-bound right away. I do think the Habs will want a replacement for Petry if they deal him and that the UFA market being thin, this may need to come via trade. There have been rumors the Habs have looked at Ethan Bear, but he's hardly a replacement for Petry and he shouldn't cost the 33rd overall choice (which is essentially like acquiring a 1st rounder in a random trade deadline deal). Not aware of anyone else specific the Habs might have in mind.

Could we actually be looking at the unthinkable at this point and trading with the Canes? They are said to be going hard after Klingberg and that as a result TDA would not be resigned. The issue with TDA is that Hughes and company said they want character players and players with a high degree of integrity, so it is seriously doubtful that that means TDA. Another couple of names out there supposedly available are Hronek and Severson but I think it's more like Anderson for us. They may be available for the right price but their teams would rather just keep them.

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50 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

Could we actually be looking at the unthinkable at this point and trading with the Canes? They are said to be going hard after Klingberg and that as a result TDA would not be resigned. The issue with TDA is that Hughes and company said they want character players and players with a high degree of integrity, so it is seriously doubtful that that means TDA. Another couple of names out there supposedly available are Hronek and Severson but I think it's more like Anderson for us. They may be available for the right price but their teams would rather just keep them.

I have a hard time seeing HuGo being on board with DeAngelo, especially since Gorton was with the Rangers the year DeAngelo was demoted for his off-ice behavior.

So who might the Habs be looking at? Well we know Hughes has already stated he sees players in their "mid-20s or younger" as being guys he might go after, so I'll arbitrarily limit this to RHD who are 27 or younger. Of that group, guys who might be available via trade?

- Damon Severson is 27 and plays with NJ. He was on their PP much of the season and put up 46 points. If NJ has Hamilton already and potentially could look at drafting Nemec or Jiricek, then maybe they'd be interested in an Anderson for Severson swap. I doubt NJ wants a late 1st or 2nd round pick for Severson though. They want to win now. But getting Anderson could forgo their need to draft Slafkovsky and allow them to draft a D man instead.

- Neal Pionk is 26. Winnipeg's a bit of a mess right now and has a shabby D corps to begin with, so they may not be interested in trading one of their actually useful guys. But with a new coach and Scheifele and Dubois both rumored to be wanting out, maybe they look at other changes. Would they be interested in a younger prospect like Norlinder or Struble as part of a package along with the 33rd pick?

- Alexandre Carrier is 25 and had a breakout year with Nashville last year. I don't see the Preds wanting to trade him, but IF Nashville can re-sign Forsberg and given they just added McDo, they're clearly in a win-now mode. So might they part with Carrier for some more experienced help... the Pred also have Dante Fabbro, who is 24, and might fit more what the Habs are looking for.

- Matt Dumba is 27 and a player who has been on the trade blocks before. He'd have been a great fit when I suggested we trade Domi for Dumba a few years ago, and he might still be a fit now, albeit he's going to be 30 when our window to win is open. Again, Minny is in win-now mode more or less though, so not sure they're a fit for us in terms of a trade partner.

- Braden Schneider is 20 and a former Gorton pick with NY. The Rangers seem to like him, but they can probably be enticed to trade him given how good their D depth is. Nils Lundkvist is 21 and was a player rumored to be of interest to us last year, and is maybe even more likely to be available.

Again, not sure who the Habs might be targeting but these could be some of the options. Of them, I'd think of Fabbro and Lundkvist as being the two most realistic options.

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