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New Contract?  

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  1. 1. Do you feel MB deserves a new contract?

    • Yes,,, he's earned it.
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    • Absolutely not,,, he hasn't earned it.
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H_T_L Hockey Guru / Grand manitou

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54 minutes ago, BigTed3 said:

Because he's one of the few French-speaking GM candidates who has qualifications to actually potentially do a good job.

Yeah,,,, in a way i think this also puts the rumours to rest about Roy coming in as GM. I have a hard time seeing him agreeing to take the job knowing he'll have somebody else with last say to answer to.

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maas_art Hockey Guru / Grand manitou

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1 hour ago, Regis22 said:

Read elsewhere that mellanby was originally promised the next GM job but then management  changed their minds so he quit . 
 

what a messed up organization .  

in fairness to the Organization, its entirely possible MB "promised" him that when he retired or changed position, it would be his.  Seems odd that Molson or anyone else within the organization would "promise" a guy a job when they already have someone in place & dont know how long he'll be there for. 

 

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20 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

Yeah,,,, in a way i think this also puts the rumours to rest about Roy coming in as GM. I have a hard time seeing him agreeing to take the job knowing he'll have somebody else with last say to answer to.

Agree. unless Roy and Gorton have a history and are likeminded, it seems very unlikely.  

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5 minutes ago, HabsAlways said:

Time for a fire sale, stock up on 1st rounders ... I really only see aa few guys who should be part of your long term plans ... Suzuki, Caufield, Romanov, Primeau, Poehling... everyone else that garners a 1st or 2nd this year or next should be shipped out.

Here is my list of people that need to go. 

Goalies: Try to move Price, retaining half his salary. If you can't do that, move Allen at the deadline

Defense: Move Chiarot immediately and then consider moving Kulak and/or Wideman at deadline. Of course, Savard should be given to anyone who wants him. 

Forwards: Move 2 "top 6" wingers. Ideally Gallagher and Toffoli. This is more of a long-term move, it could be done in the off-season too. I want a return, I'm not saying drop them for nothing, but if you can get something, its best to move on from these players. You have a couple of expiring contracts that should be shopped. I would also probably like to move one "bottom 6" winger like Byron, Lehkonen, or Armia. Byron is best, and we can retain salary there cause its only this year and next. At half his salary, Byron is quite the addition to any team imo. He's a speedstter and swiss army knife and a leader. 

Get draft picks for the next two years (my understanding is they're both good drafts), and prospects especially at C and D. 

I really hope these things happen now and I will happily renew my season tickets next year #messagemeforticketsatcostorless 

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H_T_L Hockey Guru / Grand manitou

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No guarantee that a new direction will be the answer to our problems, but what is obvious is that the outgoing management did little to advance this franchise in the last 10 years. We've been idling in neutral under MB and company (some would say we've been in reverse). Would be nice if someone new could find the right gear and the gas pedal to at least have us in the conversation when talking possible cup contender. Shouldn't take 10 years to go from pretender to contender when money isn't an issue in hiring qualified people IMO.

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Just now, H_T_L said:

No guarantee that a new direction will be the answer to our problems, but what is obvious is that the outgoing management did little to advance this franchise in the last 10 years. We've been idling in neutral under MB and company (some would say we've been in reverse). Would be nice if someone new could find the right gear and the gas pedal to at least have us in the conversation when talking possible cup contender. Shouldn't take 10 years to go from pretender to contender when money isn't an issue in hiring qualified people IMO.

I just hope this guy understand how to build a good team from the back to the front with no take it or leave it offers that lose you half your defence in one off season!

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10 minutes ago, H_T_L said:

 Would be nice if someone new could find the right gear and the gas pedal to at least have us in the conversation when talking possible cup contender. 

Id be happy to be in the conversation as a playoff team - not this "fight for a wild card " every year 

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16 minutes ago, habsisme said:

Here is my list of people that need to go. 

Goalies: Try to move Price, retaining half his salary. If you can't do that, move Allen at the deadline

Defense: Move Chiarot immediately and then consider moving Kulak and/or Wideman at deadline. Of course, Savard should be given to anyone who wants him. 

Forwards: Move 2 "top 6" wingers. Ideally Gallagher and Toffoli. This is more of a long-term move, it could be done in the off-season too. I want a return, I'm not saying drop them for nothing, but if you can get something, its best to move on from these players. You have a couple of expiring contracts that should be shopped. I would also probably like to move one "bottom 6" winger like Byron, Lehkonen, or Armia. Byron is best, and we can retain salary there cause its only this year and next. At half his salary, Byron is quite the addition to any team imo. He's a speedstter and swiss army knife and a leader. 

Get draft picks for the next two years (my understanding is they're both good drafts), and prospects especially at C and D. 

I really hope these things happen now and I will happily renew my season tickets next year #messagemeforticketsatcostorless 

Some thoughts on your thoughts:

- I'm not retaining that much of Price's salary. He's signed for another 4 years at 10.5M after this season, and frankly, the Habs' goal should be to return to being a Cup challenger during that period. With Suzuki, Romanov, Norlinder, Ylonen, Poehling, Primeau, Guhle, Harris, Caufield, etc. all in the system, you would hope that you can re-tool around some of those players. I doubt we're a contender next year and maybe the one after that, but in Year 3 and 4, you absolutely need to be relevant. Look at what Gorton did with the Rangers. You trade guys for 1st rounders, and you look to add players who can be difference makers the way NY added Panarin and Fox. The Rangers are in the mix as a competitive team already and have a .725 winning percentage so far this year. So in that regard, you can't be eating 5.25M of dead salary for the next 4 years. That means that if you sign another half-decent starter at 5M, you're still paying 10.25M in money to get one starting goalie and you're no further ahead in getting a good one. If another team wants us to eat 2M or so, fine. If they want us to eat 4 or 5M, it's a no-go for me. Price is still an asset. If I'm trading him, it's because there are assets coming back and/or I'm getting out of all or nearly all of the cap hit. There's zero point in paying Price as much as the team getting him for 4 years.

- Allen, as I've detailed before, is a much more interesting asset to trade. He's signed to a reasonable deal, he has experience starting, and his numbers are virtually identical to Kuemper, who was just dealt for a 1st, a 3rd, and a blue chip prospect. If I can make a deal like that, I'd gladly sell Allen.

- Chiarot should be done and should garner us a 1st. I'd move Kulak and Wideman too, but I think we're looking at mid-level picks for those guys, so it's not moving the needle much. Savard, yes, should be dumped ASAP, but I doubt we can move him.

- At wing, I think Lehkonen is a guy to move. He's still young and he's a free agent after this season, so there's no commitment for the acquiring team, yet he's an RFA, so they can still control his rights and/or get compensation if they want it. That's high value for another team. I think he could also get you a 1st or high-end prospect. He's a good player and highly-valued across the league (other teams have inquired about his availability before and there were rumors Sakic wanted him two years ago), but I think he's pretty much at ceiling. He'll be a great defensive player, excellent forechecker and poor goal-scorer.

- I'd also deal Gallagher if we could, again because I think he has value across the league and because I worry about his ability to not wear down over the duration of his contract. He has more value to someone who can win now as opposed to a team like us that's a couple of years away. Like you, I'm listening on Toffoli if there are offers but I'm also fine with keeping him. And I think the other guy to maybe go is Drouin, who has shorter term left on his contract and can provide value on a return.

- Veterans I'd keep for now would include Petry (who has low trade value right now but who I see as rebounding in the future, not to mention we have absolutely no one behind him on the right side), Anderson (unique skillset and a guy who puts in big effort every night and who seems to want to be here), Dvorak (not loving him as a player but I think we need to wait for his value to go up), and Armia (like Dvorak, I'd wait a bit to see if he can re-establish value).

So in order, the players I'd most like to try and move now based on likely return value would be Chiarot, Lehkonen, Allen, and Drouin. If you can move a Price, Gallagher, Toffoli, Byron, Perreault, Paquette, Wideman, Kulak, etc. for a decent return, then go for it, but I'm not in a rush to sell and eat salary for the first few guys and I don't think we'll get much for the others.

If we accomplish selling those 4 guys I mentioned, I'd recall Ylonen and Vejdemo and maybe RHP up front and I'd be pushing hard to sign and play Jordan Harris after his university season is over.

 

 

 

 

 

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