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Hughes talking to Shea Weber yesterday. 
as I see it, there are the following options;

1) Shea Weber retires June 30/22 - there is a $214k cap penalty for 4 years to the habs and a massive 6.1M recapture penalty to Nashville for his front loaded contract

2) Shea Weber thinks he can come back next year - he would be playing for $3M cash as he got most of his money upfront, and for a rebuilding habs team is that in his best interests?  His cap hit would still be $7.86M 

3) Continue to keep him on LTIR - I don’t see this as much benefit to the habs as they continue to get cap relief

4) Might we see Nashville try to acquire Weber from the Habs and give up a prospect or draft choice? This way Nashville could put Shea on their LTIR and get cap relief vs. The risk of a retirement recapture penalty. I’m sure Shea would rather entertain a comeback with Nashville vs. our rebuild if that was at all possible. I’m not sure of the rules on LTIR but believe Leafs made a similar move to acquire David Clarksons LTIR contract 

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I don't see why he would retire if he's already on LTIR. We're just going to keep him. We COULD trade him for a pick in the off-season to a team looking to reach the cap floor it a nice contract to have. But I haven't heard anything about him coming back or retiring, I don't think either will happen

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2 minutes ago, habsisme said:

I don't see why he would retire if he's already on LTIR. We're just going to keep him. We COULD trade him for a pick in the off-season to a team looking to reach the cap floor it a nice contract to have. But I haven't heard anything about him coming back or retiring, I don't think either will happen

Only thing would be if Weber wants to be a coach or work in the NHL front office or something, he may not be able to if he's still under contract.

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1 minute ago, BigTed3 said:

Only thing would be if Weber wants to be a coach or work in the NHL front office or something, he may not be able to if he's still under contract.

I don't think so because I remember there was no issue with Pronger doing that. I'm sure there's a way around any issues, no use penalizing the player because they're injured. I would imagine its similar to a fired coach who is still getting paid and working for another team, they probably just deduct the new salary from the old one and keep paying him as usual

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57 minutes ago, claremont said:

Hughes talking to Shea Weber yesterday. 
as I see it, there are the following options;

1) Shea Weber retires June 30/22 - there is a $214k cap penalty for 4 years to the habs and a massive 6.1M recapture penalty to Nashville for his front loaded contract

2) Shea Weber thinks he can come back next year - he would be playing for $3M cash as he got most of his money upfront, and for a rebuilding habs team is that in his best interests?  His cap hit would still be $7.86M 

3) Continue to keep him on LTIR - I don’t see this as much benefit to the habs as they continue to get cap relief

4) Might we see Nashville try to acquire Weber from the Habs and give up a prospect or draft choice? This way Nashville could put Shea on their LTIR and get cap relief vs. The risk of a retirement recapture penalty. I’m sure Shea would rather entertain a comeback with Nashville vs. our rebuild if that was at all possible. I’m not sure of the rules on LTIR but believe Leafs made a similar move to acquire David Clarksons LTIR contract 

I know for a fact that scenario 2 is what he wants. I also know that he (& everyone around him) understands that the reality is that it may not be possible. 

I think #1 is incredibly unlikely unless, as BT mentioned, he wants to coach or do something else & is unable to while under contact.

I would peg #3 as most likely or maybe #4.  I only see this happening ( a trade to nash) if he is 100% sure he's done. If there's even a chance he thinks he can still play (which up until a month or two ago I know he still hoped for) I dont see them moving him. 

 

There is actually an option 5 though; A team like Arizona.  $7.8m cap, $3m (and lowering) in real cap dollars? That would be perfect for a team looking to get to the cap floor without having to pay real money to do it. 
 

It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall in the room though. Very curious what Hughes had to say to him. If we have the cap space (and we should with the influx of young players and dumping vets) id love to see Weber on our 3rd pair or something. I do think he can teach guys things but again, its really going to depend on his rehab. 

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Definitely keep him if he can still play. Little confused as to what he is doing this year. Is he getting treatment of some kind? Does anyone know the answer to that? If he comes back and can still play well, he would draw a lot of attention at the trade deadline next season. 

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1 hour ago, tony5775 said:

Definitely keep him if he can still play. Little confused as to what he is doing this year. Is he getting treatment of some kind? Does anyone know the answer to that? If he comes back and can still play well, he would draw a lot of attention at the trade deadline next season. 

A lot of rest. A lot of rehab.  Seeing a number of specialists.  But right now, it sounds like no one is conclusive about the outcome.

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15 hours ago, tony5775 said:

Definitely keep him if he can still play. Little confused as to what he is doing this year. Is he getting treatment of some kind? Does anyone know the answer to that? If he comes back and can still play well, he would draw a lot of attention at the trade deadline next season. 

Absolutely! I would love to see him able to come back. It would be awesome if he and Price both with a year off could come back healthy and strong. Along with Edmondson the team could contend.

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Got paid 6 million this year and was pretty much MIA the whole season. You would have thought he would at minimum make an appearance for Lafleur's tribute game. He made an effort to show up in Nashville for one of their tribute games. Writing has to be on the wall on a Captain for next year. The Habs don't owe him anything anymore as far as i'm concerned. Thank you for your service,,,, time to move on. Hopefully they can ditch that contract or he retires.

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Just now, Regis22 said:

Shea  who ? 

Yeah exactly. I'd be on the phone to Nashville trying to trade that contract back to them, as they have the most to lose if Weber retires. Should be worth a prospect or pick to them at minimum. Let them deal with the LTIR headaches.

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He’s going to be 37 in august . I guess it’s time to move on . I read he’s coming to Montreal this weekend for Medicals . Maybe he’ll attend #10 ‘s service on Monday and speak to reporters . 

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3 hours ago, H_T_L said:

Yeah exactly. I'd be on the phone to Nashville trying to trade that contract back to them, as they have the most to lose if Weber retires. Should be worth a prospect or pick to them at minimum. Let them deal with the LTIR headaches.

I believe Shea has no incentive to retire - he’d forego $3m salary for this year and $1m for the 3 years thereafter. All covered by team insurance. 
it’s a different story if he actually passes medicals and there is no reason why he can’t play. Then he has to determine if he has that desire to play, and risk the wear and tear on his body / reputation to come back and play at the level he expects. As most know, the retirement penalty to Nashville is rather large. 
My belief is this is exploratory medicals to determine his future outlook and put a conclusion in place.

IMO - if he is permanent LTIR then Arizona for purposes of meeting the cap floor (they will probably try to trade Chychrun), is probably the likely trading partner OR Nashville so they can manage the retirement risk. 

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10 hours ago, claremont said:

I believe Shea has no incentive to retire - he’d forego $3m salary for this year and $1m for the 3 years thereafter. All covered by team insurance. 
it’s a different story if he actually passes medicals and there is no reason why he can’t play. Then he has to determine if he has that desire to play, and risk the wear and tear on his body / reputation to come back and play at the level he expects. As most know, the retirement penalty to Nashville is rather large. 
My belief is this is exploratory medicals to determine his future outlook and put a conclusion in place.

IMO - if he is permanent LTIR then Arizona for purposes of meeting the cap floor (they will probably try to trade Chychrun), is probably the likely trading partner OR Nashville so they can manage the retirement risk. 

I hope he's healthy enough to come back. I think if he feels good he'll return. 

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53 minutes ago, CaptWelly said:

I hope he's healthy enough to come back. I think if he feels good he'll return. 

I hope he retires, he has done nothing this season to be worthy of wearing the C for the most storied franchise in the league. Leaders are supposed to be there through thick and thin and not showing up to things like Lefleur's tribute game or any other Habs event this year but he could make the trip to Nashville to see Rinne's retirement game, thats not a leader that is a player turning his back on an organization. If he doesn't show up for Lefleur's funeral or visitation, the Habs should terminate his contract IMO. They would probably have the grounds to do it too because a captian is supposed to represent the team at public functions and what-not. 

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Shea Weber was never good at the podium or at photo op occassions but he was good in the dressing room and led by example on the ice. Nashville fans adored him because of those attributes. He returned to Nashville for a photo op because Rinne was a personal friend and team mate, if Price retires and an event is held Weber will be there.

Weber is not a "management" Captain, he is a players' Captain.  It was unfortunate that during his time in Montreal he was/is always associated with the forced departure of the legendary Subban.

I respect him as a man and as a hockey player and it is unfortunate that by playing through all those injuries he may be forced to retire.

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46 minutes ago, RCAF48 said:

Shea Weber was never good at the podium or at photo op occassions but he was good in the dressing room and led by example on the ice. Nashville fans adored him because of those attributes. He returned to Nashville for a photo op because Rinne was a personal friend and team mate, if Price retires and an event is held Weber will be there.

Weber is not a "management" Captain, he is a players' Captain.  It was unfortunate that during his time in Montreal he was/is always associated with the forced departure of the legendary Subban.

I respect him as a man and as a hockey player and it is unfortunate that by playing through all those injuries he may be forced to retire.

I don't care if he is a "management" or "player's" captain, he is the "supposed" leader of the team. Not showing up for important team events IMO is grounds for contract termination. You lead by example, that means if there is a team event or photo op you show up period! Not showing up as the captain shows the younger players that they don't need to show up either for games, practices or team events either. He showed his true colours IMO when he CHOSE to go to the Nashville ceremony and not the Lafleur tribute game. He is no leader at all IMO even if he was a great player and did put in 100% every game he was here. 

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2 hours ago, RCAF48 said:

Shea Weber was never good at the podium or at photo op occassions but he was good in the dressing room and led by example on the ice. Nashville fans adored him because of those attributes. He returned to Nashville for a photo op because Rinne was a personal friend and team mate, if Price retires and an event is held Weber will be there.

Weber is not a "management" Captain, he is a players' Captain.  It was unfortunate that during his time in Montreal he was/is always associated with the forced departure of the legendary Subban.

I respect him as a man and as a hockey player and it is unfortunate that by playing through all those injuries he may be forced to retire.

100%.

The people who are maligning him because he doesnt fit the mold of what THEY think he should be seem more or less delusional. "Captaincy" of a sports franchise is nowhere near as big a deal to most athletes as it is to most fans.  These guys are voted captains by their peers or in NHLPA polls - but no, the 'fan' gets to decide if someone is truly worthy of captaincy. :4224:

And of course there's also the personal side of things. Shea Weber is a human being who has spent his entire life living and breathing hockey. His body is trashed. He will most likely never play again. May never live pain-free again.  But people criticize him for not showing up for a photo day.  Im not surprised he's staying away tbh. 

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45 minutes ago, campabee82 said:

I don't care if he is a "management" or "player's" captain, he is the "supposed" leader of the team. Not showing up for important team events IMO is grounds for contract termination. 

He is on LTIR - what grounds are there for contract termination ?

 

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2 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

He is on LTIR - what grounds are there for contract termination ?

 

"Captain" of the team comes with certain responsibilities which include public appearances, events and photo ops. Not showing up for said events is probably a violation of his contract. By showing up to the Preds event he showed he is fit enough to show up for the Habs events he just has no desire to. That is most likely a violation of his contract and thus grounds for termination.

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Just now, campabee82 said:

"Captain" of the team comes with certain responsibilities which include public appearances, events and photo ops. Not showing up for said events is probably a violation of his contract. By showing up to the Preds event he showed he is fit enough to show up for the Habs events he just has no desire to. That is most likely a violation of his contract and thus grounds for termination.

OK  :lol:   Terminate him and see what happens . 

 

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3 minutes ago, Regis22 said:

OK  :lol:   Terminate him and see what happens . 

 

Look I know my opinions are not valued on this site, just like I know I am not very well liked. Personally I do not care too much either, IF I had the power to terminate Weber's contract it would have been done on photo day when he CHOSE not to show up cause he is as FAR from a leader as he can be by not showing up to team events. 

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5 hours ago, RCAF48 said:

Shea Weber was never good at the podium or at photo op occassions but he was good in the dressing room and led by example on the ice. Nashville fans adored him because of those attributes. He returned to Nashville for a photo op because Rinne was a personal friend and team mate, if Price retires and an event is held Weber will be there.

Weber is not a "management" Captain, he is a players' Captain.  It was unfortunate that during his time in Montreal he was/is always associated with the forced departure of the legendary Subban.

I respect him as a man and as a hockey player and it is unfortunate that by playing through all those injuries he may be forced to retire.

"Legendary" :7013:Subban!!!          Weber is the type of True Captain a team needs. On the ice and in the dressing room. Photo opps , Media or Team events or publicity are all secondary. 

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5 hours ago, campabee82 said:

Look I know my opinions are not valued on this site, just like I know I am not very well liked. Personally I do not care too much either, IF I had the power to terminate Weber's contract it would have been done on photo day when he CHOSE not to show up cause he is as FAR from a leader as he can be by not showing up to team events. 

we dont know whats going on behind the scenes i would refrain from making assumptions and wait to see what the team has to say about it once the season is over. i also am not happy he was no present but we have no idea how much pain the guy is in. lets just be patient. 

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